May be this part have substance.
Why even that delay? FGFA isn't even flying yet.
Timeline has been shifted for 2025, I read somewhere.
FGFA is pak fa with Indian components to match our needs, similar to Su 30 sm and Su 30 MKI.
If we are ready to test the plane with present engine then after a year we will have a prototype but if we want to test it with item 30 then wait till 2020. Any way FGFA will have very little difference with Pak fa
A. Use you brain bro not mumbo zumbo media.
I can answer this all if you'll be more specific and will not tackle different fields tech into one loaf
Well, you can always make like China - build something of questionable abilities (and even concept), make it fly wherever you want and tell the others you have 6 Gen aircrafts buying Su-35SK at the same time
These are just liberal (pro-US) lobby in Russian Govt plans which were rejected by President, MOD and Parliament. Don't mention them much.
Well, if we take historical aspects, we are bad at our first attempts while do it good at following one. From timeline to quality.
Thing to be noted here is that both AMCA and FGFA are scheduled for same timeline.
Any info about which sort of avionics we are getting?
Never went to media, it's my opinion since start.
No Russian/Indian Source exists saying that Russia will give us complete ToT.
Israeli, not Russian.
??
Design, Arjun project is still stuck.
First, stop bringing other countries except Russia.
and also this
Not entire, India still provides half of critical components and funding.
Provide me a single official or even unofficial link of any kind of Indian involvement here now.
Is FGFA flying there?
My intelligent friend, AMCA and FGFA are for different roles at first place.
We can see what happens to speed of dev at second attempt.
First, three countries don't represent entire club or even complete group of great powers.
Off course hilarious, because FGFA isn't even a decade near induction and you are comparing it with other fighters.
And we have you on other hand who just want to push entire pie in Russia's favour at any cost.
Let's have a bigger warp.
This isn't called financing for R&D.
We haven't been involved there anyhow at least till now.
Not even for validation.
There is no statement from Russian MoD or foreign ministry from transferring tech.
That's why I didn't even bother to put.
Means confirmed that we aren't involved.
Not really, India's budget may be $700 billions but it spends a very little portion of it on defence.
When?? 15 years - 2 decades later.
Oh! Probably that's the reason for statement. Wait, the news was fake by an evil jealous rival company (aka MoD).
Still ready for remaining with a project whose timeline is being pushed up every year faster than inflation.
We're talkin about PMF, not PAK FA.
This is called baseless prophecy now.
Prophecy?
The ability to fire Bhramos and other Indian origin weapons system along with western and Israeli .Domestics or Israeli jammer will be added instead of Russian ones to increase commonality . Also Glonass with supplemented or replace by Indian Equivalent .A new data link system to enable communication with India forces .Maybe French HMD will be used alone with Targeting pods brought for Rafale will replace Russian equivalent .It depends on performances of the Russian system and the cost
So... You have nothing concrete except for some “prophacy” and “Russia Evil Syndrome ”Well, if we take historical aspects, we are bad at our first attempts while do it good at following one. From timeline to quality.
That's all.
How will AMCA project complete before starting?
Thing to be noted here is that both AMCA and FGFA are scheduled for same timeline.
The one plane can't define direction of a war either.
Any info about which sort of avionics we are getting?
If true and an argument to run PMF further, we must getting whatever developed from our side sooner than that fighter too for our plane.
Never went to media, it's my opinion since start.
The only logic being given here is "please trust Russia" when things haven't moved an inch.
No Russian/Indian Source exists saying that Russia will give us complete ToT.
No source even is there in public domain that Indian Scientists or crews were ever involved here.
Edit: don't forget to read the ToT part @Abraj.
Israeli, not Russian.
Second, we got the derivative.
??
Design, Arjun project is still stuck.
First, stop bringing other countries except Russia.
Nuclear material was imported earlier because we had no reactor back then.
Could Ukraine itself make engine?
You are referring to the Indo-Ukraine agreement of 2005 which involved sharing of design blueprints for the semi-cryo (LOX-Liquid kerosne) engine being developed at LPSC.
Also given the MTCR restrictions (which we were not a member of then), the transfer stipulations appear to be very strict, if Wikileaks are anything to go by.
and also this
Not entire, India still provides half of critical components and funding.
India's partnership with Israel is totally distinct from Russia.
Anyway,
I'm done with you man. Some random Russian, Ukrainian or western kid makes ID on IDF and tells you that he is responsible for whatever you have, he gave you ToT.. You simply believe him without research.:biggrin2:
India produces around 90 out of 94 missile technologies.
Come on go ahead, declare this all fake.
Russians are angles man!:bounce:
Agni, AAD, PAD, PDV, our all LVs, aircraft parts we manufacture (which we actually export to these countries), warships, sats, semiconductors, everything is result of ToT.
Provide me a single official or even unofficial link of any kind of Indian involvement here now.
Not agreement but what happened after it.
Keep sitting here apart from project dreaming of ToT.
Is FGFA flying there?
My intelligent friend, AMCA and FGFA are for different roles at first place.
It's more comparable to J-31 rather than J-20.
Second,
AMCA is in developmental design phase, the final phase of development before making prototypes.
But FGFA? What's the status in details?
We can see what happens to speed of dev at second attempt.
Second, we are very well aware of FGFA speed as well. A new timeline every year.
First, three countries don't represent entire club or even complete group of great powers.
Second, nobody is refraining from making stealth fighter but stuck in a deal without output.
Off course hilarious, because FGFA isn't even a decade near induction and you are comparing it with other fighters.
And we have you on other hand who just want to push entire pie in Russia's favour at any cost.
Let's have a bigger warp.
We started mki project in 90s and now in 2017 we are going to sign a contract to directly buy spares from Russian companies :bounce:if that doesn't open eyes nothing will .
This isn't called financing for R&D.
I'm not setting up plants & labs there but trying for own country, instead of lifting that money also too them. I'm not throwing chests of cash & overprize at them.
You will get the device at least for using unlike FGFA case where you are financing also and not even getting ready product.
We haven't been involved there anyhow at least till now.
Keep making prophecies and get the screwdriver ToT aka assembly like again.
Not even for validation.
There is no statement from Russian MoD or foreign ministry from transferring tech.
Indian government is asking for it.
That's why I didn't even bother to put.
Anything against FGFA is entertainment for you.
Means confirmed that we aren't involved.
Where is PMF?? Not in sight at least.
Had the PAK FA as the base which we can't fly. So, can't even give inputs on platform.
This has become a circus.
Not really, India's budget may be $700 billions but it spends a very little portion of it on defence.
When?? 15 years - 2 decades later.
Do you know that when China declined invitation for involvement in PAK FA and came up with own one a decade later.
China this China that, you will sell Indian Military showing your China sticker.
I'm warning seriously, don't pull it again here.
Oh! Probably that's the reason for statement. Wait, the news was fake by an evil jealous rival company (aka MoD).
Still ready for remaining with a project whose timeline is being pushed up every year faster than inflation.
We're talkin about PMF, not PAK FA.
This is called baseless prophecy now.
Sleep tight and dream of getting ToT of a plane which they haven't let you touch till now.:biggrin2:
Also, do you have any source that they agreed to give us tech??
Prophecy?
Read that statement again.
It's about what happened and.what's happening.
Which prophecy, it's all what has happened.
Never questioned about capabilities (though I have some), my issue is about procurement.
I'm talking about role. For statement which compared AMCA with PAK FA/PMF.
FGFA has become very usual abbreviation for PMF, more than PMF itself.
Thanks for telling me, never knew that.
Google baba with all his tentacles are not my way of finding genuine information.Which prophecy, it's all what has happened.
You are still assembling Su30MkI on name of assembly and buying spares from Russian firms. Ghanta ToT.
Never questioned about capabilities (though I have some), my issue is about procurement.
I'm talking about role. For statement which compared AMCA with PAK FA/PMF.
AMCA concept is for a multirole fighter of medium category like J31, while PAK FA is a heavy category air superiority fighter like F-22 & J-20.
FGFA has become very usual abbreviation for PMF, more than PMF itself.
Don't believe me? Search anywhere you want.
By the way,
Thanks for telling me, never knew that.
:biggrin2:
Bhai thanda pani aur soch ke likh.
First declared India's own projects and JV's where Indian contribution was more than good as ToTs
And now you are flying J-31 before China's third generation fighters.
Can I avoid repeating such a TREMENDOUS amount of info?
Definitely you have this option. I would also like to follow you in future:biggrin2:Can I avoid repeating such a TREMENDOUS amount of info?
All who is interested in the subject can just review this topic from the start.
That's the problem, we came on discussion table right now only. When government has asked for ToT. Otherwise, it was being other Su30 MkI.
Not only essential it's necessary.
Oh boy, some genius you are.That's the problem, we came on discussion table right now only. When government has asked for ToT. Otherwise, it was being other Su30 MkI.
Not only essential it's necessary.
What's your job? If you have ever worked for high end techs for some MNC or government, you will know.
You will also realize that why I'm saying that only assembly line is transferred without direct involvement.
Your proud friend was involved in indigenous torpedo launcher.
Are you sure?
