Suitable Jaguar Replacement

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  1. praneetbajpaie

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    and the Americans and the Frenchies supply billions of dollars worth of equipment to the Pakis. At least we can buy from the Russians and pressure them not to sell anything to the Pakis
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    i believe russians are not too inclined to or fond of pakis as any equipment supplied to them will make it's way to the chinese, which will be reverse engineered
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    I guess the Aircraft evolves and gets better and better through constant upgrades eg: F-16 in 70's to F-16 Block 60 of today

    So Tejas Mk1 let us go with the word of Ex Air Cheif sir vasant naik currently it is Mig-21+++ aircraft , but still it means it is capable of replacing Mig-21 & Mig-27 with current configuration many comments might fly undermining the capability of Tejas but even the undermined Tejas is good enough to replace 2 platform in IAF so what is wrong in inducting soon?:confused:

    Again you can buy FGFA, RAFALE , F-22, F-35 , Steath UCAV bomber with money but maintaining it & one should always depend on others for upgrade eg: Mirage-2000 expensive upgrade 45 Million USD which is more than new LCA cost:hail:

    Indegenisation is the way to go , people might hammer me for this comment JF-17 thunder Pakis are Co-producing you can lt assembly etc , but still they are trying to come out of USA monopoly of F-16 in PAF inventory

    ADA, HAL & Private industry like Mahindra, Reliance & Tata's should develop a credible Aerospace hub in India & IAFD should acknowledge & encourage indegenisation

    If not Navy has been bigger support Indegenisation these companies should work for Naval requirement , like Carrier based new Fighters , UAV , Gunship & other helicopters and application:thumb:
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    The only words you can count on tejas is Suneet krishna's.

    naik's is a piece of junk.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    I'd like to know on what basis do you expect us to go with Ex Air chief's words, when the test pilot of Tejas confirms it is equivalent to upgraded mirage 2000. Also mate what the hell is MIG 21 +++ :confused: . With FBW and RSS ,the aircraft by default falls into 4th gen tech and from where did this term MIG 21 +++ come from..
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    Drdo should figure out way to make all those Mig 21, 27 & M2k into unmanned drones so they c can company the fighters and if situation comes absorb enemies bvr hit.
    plus used to misguid enemy air defence.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    To keep those unmanned drones usable would require large amount of manpower in itself. It's far easier (and cheaper) to misguide enemy air defence with electronic warfare.
     
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    more option better it is. Plus those will help in training crew for air defence.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    Im not telling that we have to go with Ex IAF cheif words , i meant even if we agree on his comments still LCA is good enough to replace Mig-21 & 27 in IOC-1 configuration :thumb:

    Mig-21+++ Cheif refers advance version of Mig-21 i guess , DRDO cheif ,ADA chief & HAL MD all were present when Sir Vasant naik labelled LCA Mig-21+++ aircraft

    LCA Tejas will be an advanced version of MiG 21: IAF chief - Brahmand.com

    Again Test pilot comments might be baised or he might be 100% right you never know

    But IAF is reluctant to induct LCA in numbers that is true , which is sad . While Navy is backing up the project but the get second preference from ADA/HAL which is sad:confused:
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

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    About the costly Mirage Upgrades.

    The French Company Closed the Production line of Mirage ..So if we need upgrade we must have Production lines ..So some Money goes to for implementing the Production Line .

    Second one we have no other options in our Arsenal like MRCA Mirage ..no other IAF aircraft can't satisfy MIrage's Performance ..So mirage needs Must for IAF ..!!

    About the Tejas ..we need 5 tejas to do a Job while a Single Rafale Can do this ..That means Only two Pilots ..some fuel ..only one Hanger ..four or Five Engines and Accommodations so Up keep cost something lower ..if the same for Tejas we need it about 5 times more infra ..10 Pilots lots of fuel 5 hanger about 10+ Engines ..
     
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    Mate , how about sending 1 jaguar + 1 Lca 1? In old fashioned way for the time being

    Until Lca 2 arrives
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    Jaguar can bomb 1000 km away and RTB ..where Late Combat Aircraft bomb 500km and RTB ..!!!

    and Jaguar is like a Heavy Truck ..where LCA is Tata Ape
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    Jaguar while flies at low level, Lca can cover it from high altitude
    so range difference will reduce..

    Truck for bombing and ape for covering the truck mate,,..
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    first you must explain how a single rafale is equal to 5 tejas. Otherwise all your other assumptions fall flat. And about the mirages production having ended so its costly. That is not our problem. All we have to do is a cost to benefit analysis. Its not our problem that the french cant give me an upgrade for normal amounts. I am getting a brand new aircraft better than the mirage 2000 in air to air.(And the mirage originally was marketed as mainly an air superiority fighter first). I am getting much more benefit in tejas including more work for domestic industries.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    Can you reclaim 5:1 Tejas to Rafale theory with a source.

    Just 20% less range difference brought you to this theory.. Have you calculated unit cost and maintenance cost difference between these two ?

    These things already been discussed earlier. you are going back to square one.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    I guess if they successfully convert them into drones they can be pitted against manned aircraft and skills can be sharpened as well as using them for target practice. Also, we can test our missiles in a more effective way and see how humans will try to evade an incoming in live combat, thereby, refining our missile tech as well.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    With all due respect, I think this is just propaganda without punch. As soon as LCA is inducted into the IAF the pilots themselves will testify of it's capabilities. AND, I am sure that will be a marvelous aircraft.
     
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    Re: IAF to buy 14 Tejas squadrons

    The mirage updates are costly, no matter whatever excuse is used to justify them. It's an obvious ploy to undercut the costs of the Rafale deal. Due to the delay in LCA and retirement of MiG-21, the French knew we could not afford to let our Mirage-2000s fall into obsolescence and they screwed us up our rear hole without any lubricant.

    Also, go ahead and justify how 1 rafale can do the work of 5 tejas. I'll be waiting for your reply.
     
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    I am sorry to mistook 2nd line as yours and thanks for clarification.

     
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