Strategic high speed railway between Pakistan and China

[farhan_9909]

there infra is there till havelian.very close to abbottabad.

beside this now even tajikistan is pop up in the scene.getting more interested.

as said before under a Govt with balls like imran khan.this is a win win situation for Pakistan-tajikistan-china.

 

[farhan_9909]

ISLAMABAD, Aug 9 (APP): Pakistan and Tajikistan on Tuesday expressed willingness to build railway link from China to Gwadar Port through Tajikistan and Afghanistan for proper utilization of the facilities already available at Gwadar Port. They agreed to work together towards this end in a quadrilateral format including China and Afghanistan,said a message received from Dushanbe.
These views were shared by Federal Minister for Communications Dr. Arbab Alamgir Khan with Prime Minister of Tajikistan Oqil Oqilov and Foreign Minister of Tajikistan Hamrakhon Zarifi during his meetings with the Tajik dignitaries.
The Minister briefed Prime Minister Oqilov and Foreign Minister Zarifi on the fruitful discussions he had yesterday with his Tajik counterpart, Hakimov Nizom, regarding confluence of ideas and plans on air and surface connectivity between Pakistan and Tajikistan and regional road and rail corridors.
Minister Arbab Alamgir congratulated both Tajik leaders on the forthcoming 20th Independence Anniversary of Tajikistan and conveyed the best wishes of the President, the Prime Minister and the people of Pakistan to the Tajik nation.
Tajik Prime Minister and Foreign Minister said that the Tajik Government highly valued its existing relations with Pakistan and was keen to further enhance people-to-people contacts, trade and tourism between the two countries.
The Minister for Communications will visit the Ishkashim city in the Gorno-Badakhshan Province of Tajikistan tomorrow to see the area from where road link may be established between the two countries through Wakhan corridor to Chitral.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan,Tajikistan express willingness to build railway link to Gwadar port

 

[Yusuf]

Hahahaha @farhan_9909, your continuous assertion of Imran Khan being a leader with balls and the only one reminds me of something.

Don't keep too many hopes in him. He has proven to being an idiot.

 

[farhan_9909]

Hahahaha @farhan_9909, your continuous assertion of Imran Khan being a leader with balls and the only one reminds me of something.

Don't keep too many hopes in him. He has proven to being an idiot.

we should leave this to the passage of time

let suppose PTI didnt made it to than who?

PMLN is probably the 2nd party.and they are good at everything except economy

 

[Yusuf]

we should leave this to the passage of time

let suppose PTI didnt made it to than who?

PMLN is probably the 2nd party.and they are good at everything except economy

Quite frankly you guys have no choice. Same as in India at the moment where people are left to choosing the lesser evil.

But frankly IK is not going to be your savior. He has shared platforms with terrorists. Once in power, these people will demand their pound of flesh. You will see more terror in your own country.

 

[farhan_9909]

Quite frankly you guys have no choice. Same as in India at the moment where people are left to choosing the lesser evil.

But frankly IK is not going to be your savior. He has shared platforms with terrorists. Once in power, these people will demand their pound of flesh. You will see more terror in your own country.

Under IK impossible

you just dnt have the idea of craze of ordinary pakistani for IK

well IK team is awesome.

Be it the best pakistani at present dr atta ur rehman(very pro india)
or the expected finance minister Asad umar(ex ceo of engro.he left engro despite getting 90k $ per month pay)

anyway i will again leave it to the passage of time.as election is in the last week of march

 

[datguy79]

Tajikistan is anti-Iran? I will have what you are having.

Besides why will they opt for this route (you aren't going to go through AFG), when there is are perfectly viable and EXISTING trade routes through China and the CARs to Iran?

Put your money where your mouth is and first build the railroad.

 

[vishwaprasad]

despite pak being 3.5 times smaller than India
seems like the Indian land is dud with neither any strategic importance nor resources

despite being a much bigger economy has no role in world politics as well

If having strategic importance and role in world politics costs Remond Davis shooting your citizens in broad daylight and your Govt has no other options to free him then we are not interested in having role in world politics and we are happy that our land does not have a strategic importance.

If it costs you american day night bombing killing your soldiers, citizens and making mockery of your so called sovereignty then sorry we are not interested. Shall we have a look on your GIFTS given by sam uncle for being strategically important and having role in world politics?

List of US attacks on Pak
2004: 1
2005: 3
2006: 3
2007: 5
2008: 38
2009: 55 (Bush ordered 2 bombings in 2009 before Obama took over)
2010: 128
2011: 76
2012: 22 = 333 (June 26)

Source: http://----------------------------/index.php?showtopic=99033&st=40

Sorry we are actually not interested in being a brothel of super powers...Now US in future may be China....if you are having good resources, great strategic location then you should try to be great power by properly using it for your own nation's good and then try to influence the world politics instead of being a sale outs to super powers and stay in head lines of world politics...sorry for my harsh language but some times posts from a knowledgeable members like you surprise me.

 

[Rage]

there infra is there till havelian.very close to abbottabad.

beside this now even tajikistan is pop up in the scene.getting more interested.

as said before under a Govt with balls like imran khan.this is a win win situation for Pakistan-tajikistan-china.

Unless it's not shown on the map, I don't see any kind of railway line from Gwadar to any other part of Balochistan; or from Gwadar to Dera Ismail Khan or any other point on the route envisaged. That's half your country we're talking about, that's not connected to any rail network even remotely (through an accessible station). The only extensive rail infrastructure that exists, but is certainly not suitable for 'high speed' goods transport, is a circuitous route that traverses Quetta-Sibbi-Jacobabad and then on to the Sindh or Punjab. In terms of the direct Gwadar-Kashghar route proposed, the only section I see as probably being usable is the one between DIK and Havelian, and that is about 1/12th of the length of the proposed route, and will require extensive re-investment and upgradation in itself.

Magnified version of the above map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Pakistan_Railways_Map.png

 

[farhan_9909]

Tajikistan is anti-Iran? I will have what you are having.

Besides why will they opt for this route (you aren't going to go through AFG), when there is are perfectly viable and EXISTING trade routes through China and the CARs to Iran?

Put your money where your mouth is and first build the railroad.

you should have atleast read this.

ISLAMABAD, Aug 9 (APP): Pakistan and Tajikistan on Tuesday expressed willingness to build railway link from China to Gwadar Port through Tajikistan and Afghanistan for proper utilization of the facilities already available at Gwadar Port. They agreed to work together towards this end in a quadrilateral format including China and Afghanistan,said a message received from Dushanbe.
These views were shared by Federal Minister for Communications Dr. Arbab Alamgir Khan with Prime Minister of Tajikistan Oqil Oqilov and Foreign Minister of Tajikistan Hamrakhon Zarifi during his meetings with the Tajik dignitaries.
The Minister briefed Prime Minister Oqilov and Foreign Minister Zarifi on the fruitful discussions he had yesterday with his Tajik counterpart, Hakimov Nizom, regarding confluence of ideas and plans on air and surface connectivity between Pakistan and Tajikistan and regional road and rail corridors.
Minister Arbab Alamgir congratulated both Tajik leaders on the forthcoming 20th Independence Anniversary of Tajikistan and conveyed the best wishes of the President, the Prime Minister and the people of Pakistan to the Tajik nation.
Tajik Prime Minister and Foreign Minister said that the Tajik Government highly valued its existing relations with Pakistan and was keen to further enhance people-to-people contacts, trade and tourism between the two countries.
The Minister for Communications will visit the Ishkashim city in the Gorno-Badakhshan Province of Tajikistan tomorrow to see the area from where road link may be established between the two countries through Wakhan corridor to Chitral.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan,Tajikistan express willingness to build railway link to Gwadar port

 

[farhan_9909]

Unless it's not shown on the map, I don't see any kind of railway line from Gwadar to any other part of Balochistan; or from Gwadar to Dera Ismail Khan or any other point on the route envisaged. That's half your country we're talking about, that's not connected to any rail network even remotely (through an accessible station). The only extensive rail infrastructure that exists, but is certainly not suitable for 'high speed' goods transport, is a circuitous route that traverses Quetta-Sibbi-Jacobabad and then on to the Sindh or Punjab. In terms of the direct Gwadar-Kashghar route proposed, the only section I see as probably being usable is the one between DIK and Havelian, and that is about 1/12th of the length of the proposed route, and will require extensive re-investment and upgradation in itself.

Magnified version of the above map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Pakistan_Railways_Map.png

Good search.gud post

well seems like the infrastructure would need massive investment.

bt as far as i know tajiks has already started investing/Using karakoram highway

soon upon turning into the karakoram highway for abbottabad you see this

chinese/tajik/urdu


http://donquizote.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/road.jpg

 

[datguy79]

you should have atleast read this.

Ok, so what is your point exactly?

There is no way you are going to get a road/railway through Wakhan, and i don't see how Tajikistan would want a rail link all the way around passing through China into Gorno-Badakshan, where there is pretty much no industry to speak of. So apparently in your world, longer and more dangerous means better.

 

[farhan_9909]

Ok, so what is your point exactly?

There is no way you are going to get a road/railway through Wakhan, and i don't see how Tajikistan would want a rail link all the way around passing through China into Gorno-Badakshan, where there is pretty much no industry to speak of. So apparently in your world, longer and more dangerous means better.

we are onto invading the pushtoon majority areas of afghanistan.and you think we wont go through wakhan..if we stop your supply to afghanistan.you guys will die of hunger.

 

[Blackwater]

Map clearly shows how Baluchistan and Gulam kashmir is being neglect by pak for the last 65 yrs

 

[datguy79]

we are onto invading the pushtoon majority areas of afghanistan.and you think we wont go through wakhan..if we stop your supply to afghanistan.you guys will die of hunger.

lol it is not as if Afghanistan and India control your water supply...oh wait, THEY DO!

Oh and please do invade us!

"How is that we Afghans, who never lost a war, must take military instructions from the Pakistanis, who never won one?" -- Abdul Haq, 1989

 

[Ray]

despite pak being 3.5 times smaller than India
seems like the Indian land is dud with neither any strategic importance nor resources

despite being a much bigger economy has no role in world politics as well

I find this the most amusing statement for the decade.

It indicates how deficit you are on understanding what is strategy and what is resource!

 

[farhan_9909]

lol it is not as if Afghanistan and India control your water supply...oh wait, THEY DO!

Oh and please do invade us!

lol if so is the case.we have 39% of pakhtoon in pak army

beside this.do you have any idea where your army,police,education everything is from Pakistan,

it is so shameful the great afghanistan has been flooded by non pakhtoon because of pakhtoons like afghan's in the great afghanistan

 

[farhan_9909]

reply needed in this thread

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...mpressive-rebuilding-program-afghanistan.html

 

[abingdonboy]

this was nt a dream bt reality
in 2007 even funds were issued for feasibility study.

atleast search about khubjerab railway before making such statement.would save you alot of embarrassment.believe me

It's a pipe dream is reality freind. Pakistan hasn't got the funds and do you think big brother China is going to bank-roll you in everything?

there infra is there till havelian.very close to abbottabad.

beside this now even tajikistan is pop up in the scene.getting more interested.

as said before under a Govt with balls like imran khan.this is a win win situation for Pakistan-tajikistan-china.

If only it'd been there in May 2011! OBL would've been long gone by the time the SEALS made entry!!!

 

[maomao]

If pakistan is considered as statistically important and what has become of it today due to delusions and retarded 'strategic' mentality of pakis, then I don't want India to do anything with Strategy!

Atleast we will keep our selves away from becoming pakistan or somalia - a failed state!

P.S: I can expect all this demented assertions from delusional pakis due to their Islamiyat education and Islamic upbringing, moreover they need to read how resourceful India is in terms of natural resources and minerals, and where pakistan stands in comparison - rather than having Islamic internet wet dreams !