Strategic Command to acquire 40 nuclear capable fighters

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    With an aim of increasing its lethal power, India's tri-services strike force is planning to acquire 40 fighter planes capable of delivering nuclear weapons. The Strategic Forces Command (SFC) has submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of fighter
    aircraft which will act as "mini-Air Force", ministry sources said.

    This will be the first time that SFC, which at present depends on the Indian Air Force for delivering nuclear weapons under its command, will have its own aerial assets, they said.

    The SFC does not want untested fighters but the ones which are battle proven and have capabilities to deliver nuclear-tipped missiles, the sources said.

    The aircraft planned to be procured are part of efforts to strengthen the nuclear delivery system which right now is based on land-based ballistic missiles such as the Agni and Prithvi and nuclear-capable fighters such as the Mirage 2000, Su-30 MKI and Jaguars.

    Created in January 2003, the SFC is part of the Nuclear Command Authority (NCA) and is responsible for the management and administration of the country's tactical and strategic nuclear weapons stockpile.

    Attempts are underway to complete the nuclear triad by developing the indigenous Arihant class nuclear submarine and under-sea launched versions of the existing ballistic missile systems.

    India's nuclear doctrine envisages building a credible minimum deterrent for maintaining a 'second strike capability' which will be massive and designed to induce unacceptable damage on the enemy.

    The SFC is headed by a three-star officer from any of the three services and is responsible for implementing directives of the NCA. At present, the force is headed by Lieutenant General B S Nagal.

    The force manages and administers all strategic forces by exercising complete command and control over nuclear assets, and producing all contingency plans as needed to fulfil the required tasks.

    The operational missile groups of the Army are armed with the 150-250 km short-range Prithvi missiles and the others with the Agni missiles of ranges above 1,500 km form the nucleus of SFC.
     
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  3. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    SU 30MKI (or modified long range version of the same) will be only choice, as Mirage 2000 wont be chosen as it is not state of the art fighter, plus with SU 30 mki, SFC should order some of the mid air re fueler for strategic operations. (If SFC dont want to be dependent on IAF for re fueler or other equipments).
     
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    =xy :emot157:can we get 5-6 : b-2 bombers or we will ask design of A-12 Avenger II
     
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    Does Tupolev 160 fit the bill?

    Tupolev 160
    • Long Range
    • Swing Wing
    • Supersonic
    • Strategic Bomber


    Dorsal in-flight view:
    Tu-160-Dorsal.jpg

    Cutaway view:
    Tu-160-Cutaway.jpg
     
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    It would definitely be either the MKI or Mirage 2000. There's a possibility of the Jaguar too making it. The Mirage 2000 still packs a lot of punch and so does the Jag.
     
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    We don't have the Tu-160 in IAF. Here only those planes will be selected which are serving the IAF presently. But, personally I would have loved to see atleast 8-10 TU-160 strategic bombers in IAF's kitty ! Or for that matter, the TU-22 M3s, don't know why we didn't acquire them !
     
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    Russians will never give the Tu-160 the only solution might be the Su-34 or the Su-30Mki...Tu-22m3 was leased by Navy dont know what happened that .
     
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    PTI: India's Joint Nuclear Command Wants 40 Nuclear Strike Jets
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    A befuddling report on the wires. The Press Trust of India, reports that India's joint nuclear command -- the Strategic Forces Command -- is looking to procure 40 fighters for two dedicated strategic strike squadrons. The report indicates that while the Indian Air Force's Mirage-2000s, Jaguars and Su-30MKIs have so far been earmarked for the nuclear strike profile, the SFC wants two squadrons of its own. The report says nothing more.

    If this report is accurate, the obvious questions would be: (a) Why does the SFC need its own fighters -- why can't it continue to depend on available IAF assets? (b) Why the need to ramp up the air-delivered leg of the nuclear triad when Indian doctrine points to more substantive deterrence from strategic land-based missiles and an SSBN fleet, and far less on air-delivered deterrence? (c) Why does a nuclear strike fleet need as many as 40 aircraft? (d) Does India have the kind of stand-off nuclear weapon capability to justify such a fresh induction of assets? (e) If the SFC were to get its own "mini air force", would these still be operated by the IAF? (f) In which case, what difference would it make?

    A totally separate but tantalizing coincidence -- in June, Dassault offered the IAF a fast-track sale of 40 Rafales to shore up squadron strength ahead of the MMRCA induction. The Rafale is also the only aircraft explicitly described in its bid document as a nuclear capable strike fighter. Answers to those questions above and more details later this evening.
     
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    The TU-22 M3's were leased by the Navy but they have been returned back to the Russians. Why doesn't the IAF acquire these crafts ? They are god medium range bombers and recon aircaft.
     
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    Su-34 can do the tasks of both Tu-22 and Su-24,has more if not same range wonder why they never considered this plane agreed it has similar features to the Su-30mki but its better suited for long range missions
     
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    Where will these assets be based? If on IAF bases then I would wonder why? If there is such a move it should be based on secret bases so that it can survive any crippling enemy first strike. So then it will come to needing its own infra of refuellers etc... MKI is the best option, may be the recent add on order was for the SFC itself and not the IAF. Mirage and Jags are not going to be in the pic as the AF is going to look to replace it with MCA. Dedicated bombers require escorts again. India maintains a policy of using multi role fighters.
     
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    Like I was saying to Lethal in another thread, India should have 18-20 Su-34 bombers (1 squadron) at our disposal and I don't think it would be that hard for India to set up and maintain (because they are similar to our Su-30 MKI). We can't get Tupolev bombers and even if we could it would be expensive but If we are allowed we should get some Su-34 for dedicated strike missions.
     
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    It seems that the news 40 MKI will be used here?

    Or it is a move for ordering 40 more? MKI with it's phenomenal range and weapon carrying capacity will be a good choice.
     
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    if Rafale has super cruise engine, then with mid air re-fueler and good radar, it will be good choice, but the disadvantage will be to set up new training facility and infrastructure (maintenance etc) which is not necessary in case of SU30MKI, plus it would be easy to hide SU 30MKI then Rafale as we dont have any Rafale therefore if someone spotted spotted Rafale then it will mean the obvious, what they are therefor.

    Plus with only 40 fighter we dont be setting up infrastructure for the same,then SFC will be depending upon the french for the same. I dont think any one is going to like that.
     
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    I don't understand why SFC would want it's own fighters.

    May be they just want bombers ?
     
  17. EagleOne

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    but i doubt some one will sell 40 bombers ...no they might be some thing as mmcra
     
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    it appears that SFC which is the most elite force of the arm forces, want to the self sufficient, if orders so come from the Political Council which is advice by Executive Council of the NCA.

    SFC wants its own bombers, nuke subs and its own missile force, so that they will not depend on the forces who will be too busy in there war.
     
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    The SFC is pretty clear. No untested planes, so nothing else but the MKI as no western countries would sell aircrafts for SFC as its very explicit. Non proliferation dodos will cry hoarse.
     
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    I think india will get more than 40 as india as it is a partner in both technical(25%) & financial(50%) in Russia's PAK-FA
     
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    they sure will be su30MKIs. it should be over and above the 40 that the IAF has been recently hinting at. IAF i am sure will mention their own requirements and not that of SFC, also to be noted, there the number is 42 not 40 so it seems that order of 42 could be scaled upto 82 now.

    avi the other day was hinting at 360 su30s, and with this order we are already talking about 310, 50 more to go! :D
     

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