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Because when you holding on to your own culture and refuse to assimilate it will create mistrust and fear among the native people
How did the assimilation work out for u are Tamils willing to accept Sinhalese now?

Just look at what happens in England and Europe regarding the Muslims
Your comparison doesn't hold any weight here.
EU is a clusterfuck of several languages and dialects but they get along just fine.
Muslims are a completely different case tho they look different, they have different religion their society is incredibly backward.
TBH do muslim don't get along with anyone for the matter.
On what grounds are Tamil culture different from Sinhalese culture?

It is because Sinhalese people are native to Sri Lanka. Their ancestors may have been foreigners. But they themselves are not.
I don't need to point out what's wrong here, Tamil have been living here before Sinhalese migrated if anything you are justifiable as a foreigner to this land.

This is the common misconception. Sinhalese people have not come from any part of India. If they did then there should have some Sinhalese living in India as of now. Can you show where the indigenous Sinhalese living in India? I can surely do that for Tamils.
DNA evidence proves this as well as you're own culture experts say so.
U in you're previous posts acknowledge this as well.

Dead language is a language that one has to learn specifically rather than using it as a mother tongue. On one use Sanskrit as their mother tongue. Isn't it?
There are several areas in central India that still speak Sanskrit.
 

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@Vijyes Please leave the topic of SL-Tamil issues ..Its not our country lets worry about Rohingya s in our country ..What they do with tamil people in SL should be their business not ours ..If there is so much worry about tamils the same should be shown for tamils who are ill treated in malaysia and even in myanmar also for an extent ..

any tamil conflict in SL again will be a direct threat to the safety and security of the indian union only ..The biggest looser will be india and no one else ..The previous conflict had lots of hands from TN which were supported by the church and christian lobby ..With 30% population of TN being Christians we are just trying to discuss about our own destruction in the hands of evan jihadis..

Lets not get emotional and fall into the ploy communist christian nexus set up ..This is what these forces actually wanted

I am tamil i seen the most of the war ..i was just 9 kms away when Rajiv gandhi was blown up into pieces ..My father being a tamil served in IAF in IPKF he is indian first and tamil next ..
Just taking pencils and drawing lines doesn't make a country separate. World is 1 unit. People are not plants to stay in 1 location.

Abrahamism is a different thing. They can't tolerate anyone who is not like them. They are more like an empire rather than religion. Islam - caliphate and Christianity - Roman empire.

Dharma based cultures like hindu, buddhism, sikhs, jains or even chinese types of Confucian etc are not hateful of people who are different. One should learn to differentiate between people who are different than people who are evil .

There is no end to difference. Tomorrow one may beat up saying he has curly hair, short height, skin colour, eye colour etc. There is no limit to such things. Why challenge people into producing 10 children to increase numbers and then fight back instead of considering the differences as part of life?

The only thing that matters is being reasonable. People who believe in random books and beat up anyone who doesn't are not reasonable. They are evil.
 

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Links between Lanka and paki:blah::crazy:


See full clip at 18:21 of how he white washes Kashmir history not mentions invasion by lashkars (tribal militias) into Kashmir.
i try search hard , still couldn't find that hidden benefit which the srilanka extrecting out of pakistan for their open hostality towards india or for the support they are extending to pakistan....

all i can find are the links between ltte with alquaida in providing arms to ltte........how those remote links transform into pakistan - srilanka relations ?
does isi played a double agent ?



and there are plantly of links available which suggests that presently islamic extremisum in kerala has a connection in srilanka...
 
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How did the assimilation work out for u are Tamils willing to accept Sinhalese now?
It hasn't worked out well since the Tamil leaders spilling venom to the masses from 1920s. It needs some massive scale dialogue between both communities to settle down differences.

Your comparison doesn't hold any weight here.
EU is a clusterfuck of several languages and dialects but they get along just fine.
Muslims are a completely different case tho they look different, they have different religion their society is incredibly backward.
TBH do muslim don't get along with anyone for the matter.
On what grounds are Tamil culture different from Sinhalese culture?
There are lot of ways Tamil culture different to Sinhalese culture that is ranging from dietary behavior to religion.

It's not that Sinhalese deject Tamil culture. Rather it's Tamils that act differently by trying curve out part of Sri Lanka.

I don't need to point out what's wrong here, Tamil have been living here before Sinhalese migrated if anything you are justifiable as a foreigner to this land.
Who says so? Just the Tamils themselves without any credible evidence. There are remains of pre-historic people on the island that goes back 30,000 years. Besides, Sinhalese have been originated in the island itself. They have no migrated from any other land. So how can they be foreigners?.

DNA evidence proves this as well as you're own culture experts say so.
U in you're previous posts acknowledge this as well.
Even though I don't accept that DNA test, it also show that Sinhalese are not essentially Bengalis who have migrated from Bengal. What I'm asking is to show the evidance of exclusive "Sinhalese" areas in India. I

There are several areas in central India that still speak Sanskrit.
Such as?
 

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US concerned over unsustainable financial debt burdens to Sri Lanka by China

The US has expressed concern over the "unsustainable debt-burden" on Sri Lanka due to non- concessional loans from China.

China is investing billions of dollars in infrastructure development in Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka is struggling to repay Chinese money, and recently signed an agreement to give a state-run Chinese firm a stake in the strategic Hambantota port as a way of paying down some of that debt.

Under the USD 1.1 billion deal, the Chinese company will develop the deep-sea port of Hambantota.

"China is providing non-concessional loans that promote unsustainable debt burdens, which I think are increasingly now of concern to the Sri Lankan people in the government," Alice Wells, Acting Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs told a Congressional subcommittee yesterday during a hearing on South Asia.

The US has notably reduced its assistance to Sri Lanka by 92 per cent.

"In Sri Lanka, we're the largest grant provider of assistance. China is providing non-concessional loans that promote unsustainable debt burdens, which I think are increasingly now of concern to the Sri Lankan people in the government. But what we bring to our relationship are multiple tools," she said.

While there has been a significant percentage reduction in US aid to Sri Lanka, Wells said the US is using its tools to reinforce a message of reform, and to bring Sri Lanka into a space where they too will institutionalise the principles of the Indo-Pacific -- freedom of navigation, transparency, non- militarisation humanitarian assistance and disaster relief at its core.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ns-to-lanka-by-china/articleshow/60425371.cms


Game is On!!
USA is cornering china on its peripheries!
 

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US concerned over unsustainable financial debt burdens to Sri Lanka by China

The US has expressed concern over the "unsustainable debt-burden" on Sri Lanka due to non- concessional loans from China.

China is investing billions of dollars in infrastructure development in Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka is struggling to repay Chinese money, and recently signed an agreement to give a state-run Chinese firm a stake in the strategic Hambantota port as a way of paying down some of that debt.

Under the USD 1.1 billion deal, the Chinese company will develop the deep-sea port of Hambantota.

"China is providing non-concessional loans that promote unsustainable debt burdens, which I think are increasingly now of concern to the Sri Lankan people in the government," Alice Wells, Acting Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs told a Congressional subcommittee yesterday during a hearing on South Asia.

The US has notably reduced its assistance to Sri Lanka by 92 per cent.

"In Sri Lanka, we're the largest grant provider of assistance. China is providing non-concessional loans that promote unsustainable debt burdens, which I think are increasingly now of concern to the Sri Lankan people in the government. But what we bring to our relationship are multiple tools," she said.

While there has been a significant percentage reduction in US aid to Sri Lanka, Wells said the US is using its tools to reinforce a message of reform, and to bring Sri Lanka into a space where they too will institutionalise the principles of the Indo-Pacific -- freedom of navigation, transparency, non- militarisation humanitarian assistance and disaster relief at its core.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ns-to-lanka-by-china/articleshow/60425371.cms


Game is On!!
USA is cornering china on its peripheries!
This is really interesting piece of news. The much awaited local council and provincial council elections are scheduled to be held in the early months of the next year. Moreover almost 3 years has passed since the current government came into the office and there is barely 2 more years for it before the general election. I think US is trying to dump some green backs into Sri Lankan treasury coffers to strengthen the dwindling reserves. It seems that they are trying to lift the crumbling image of the present government by adding some economic injection. People are not fools though. Let's wait and see.
 

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This is really interesting piece of news. The much awaited local council and provincial council elections are scheduled to be held in the early months of the next year. Moreover almost 3 years has passed since the current government came into the office and there is barely 2 more years for it before the general election. I think US is trying to dump some green backs into Sri Lankan treasury coffers to strengthen the dwindling reserves. It seems that they are trying to lift the crumbling image of the present government by adding some economic injection. People are not fools though. Let's wait and see.
Just FYI...

Going by some recent American senate hearings, trump administration is cutting down on foreign economic assistance packages by a lot.
 

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This is really interesting piece of news. The much awaited local council and provincial council elections are scheduled to be held in the early months of the next year. Moreover almost 3 years has passed since the current government came into the office and there is barely 2 more years for it before the general election. I think US is trying to dump some green backs into Sri Lankan treasury coffers to strengthen the dwindling reserves. It seems that they are trying to lift the crumbling image of the present government by adding some economic injection. People are not fools though. Let's wait and see.
Is there an alternative? Rajapaksa is evil person.
 

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Just FYI...

Going by some recent American senate hearings, trump administration is cutting down on foreign economic assistance packages by a lot.
Yes. They have already declared that they will assist Sri Lanka in the preparation of brand new constitution. Moreover, they could use one of their proxy such as Japan or Germany to pump the money in. Japan has some stakes in Sri Lanka and several major projects have been handed over to them within the past couple of years. Rumor has it that US embassy has instructed the current government to initiate economic reforms to curb the government expenditure for the first 4 years of their tenure and then unleash welfare schemes in the final year of the government in order to lure prospective voters. Let's wait and see.
 

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Is there an alternative? Rajapaksa is evil person.
He's not evil. (Maybe to you.) Their is an alternative and the majority of the voters are very enthusiastic about him. He is non other than Gotabaya Rajapaksha. The former defense minister.
 

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He's not evil. (Maybe to you.) Their is an alternative and the majority of the voters are very enthusiastic about him. He is non other than Gotabaya Rajapaksha. The former defense minister.
Within 5 yrs of time, i.e., from 2009-14 Sri Lankan debt increased thrice with no substantial increase in economic output.
Rajapaksa is solely responsible.

If you understand what I meant, you would repeat what @Vijyes had said.

Forget everything else, what true is Sri Lanka is in deep debts with no way out. Let's see what else Sri Lanka has to offer China to pay debts.
 

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Within 5 yrs of time, i.e., from 2009-14 Sri Lankan debt increased thrice with no substantial increase in economic output.
Rajapaksa is solely responsible.

If you understand what I meant, you would repeat what @Vijyes had said.

Forget everything else, what true is Sri Lanka is in deep debts with no way out. Let's see what else Sri Lanka has to offer China to pay debts.
debt increased but the percentage of the debt against the GDP fell. Moreover, most of the debts were taken for the war effort and the others on development projects ranging from expressways to airports and harbors. They are viable assets for Sri Lanka which have prospects for further development.

There is a way out. Sri Lanka wasn't broke before 2015. It won't be broken even after the current government has left the seat.
 

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debt increased but the percentage of the debt against the GDP fell. Moreover, most of the debts were taken for the war effort and the others on development projects ranging from expressways to airports and harbors. They are viable assets for Sri Lanka which have prospects for further development.

There is a way out. Sri Lanka wasn't broke before 2015. It won't be broken even after the current government has left the seat.
Let's see...
Matala airport is empty, China rejected the debt equity swap, while India is interested, but deal isn't signed yet.
Hambantota isn't working to the full potential, thanks to other international ports in picture. Not to mention that India started to develop it's ports, in future Indian ports will have their own share.

Oh, the other infra projects... How are they going. By the way, China has higher rate of interest than IMF or WB, so good luck in paying with debt equity swap like Hambantota; by the way, if this means getting closer to China then think again.

A few comments and actions by Duterte has resulted in Marwai, so be careful.

It is really going to be tough time for Sri Lanka.

Things might not look bad; but trust me, then can quitely turn into your worst nightmare.
 

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Undercover Footage Shows British Police Are Training Riot-Cops Linked to War Crimes in Sri Lanka

Foreign aid money is being spent on a paramilitary style unit notorious for its brutality and linked to extra-judicial killings.

Secret filming inside the Scottish Police academy, and a Freedom of Information request to Police Scotland, has exposed a disturbing relationship between the UK government and Sri Lankan security forces linked to war crimes. The SNP-run Scottish government is also implicated in the scheme. The filming also revealed that scheme uses money from Britain's aid budget.

In a covertly filmed interview, a manager of Police Scotland's international training unit said, "We know there are issues. We know the previous President was being taken for war crimes. Yeah. The choices are we do nothing or we go in. UK government's position was we want to go in and do something."


Sri Lanka's Special Task Force (STF) is a paramilitary unit with a long history of war crimes. Its members undergo special forces training and wear camouflage uniforms. In July, they opened fire on two unarmed Tamil teenagers for stealing sand from a beach. The pair were so terrified of the STF that they jumped into a lagoon to escape. One drowned, aged 17.

So, when we saw a small photo of what looked like Sri Lanka's Special Task Force on Police Scotland's website, VICE made a Freedom of Information request to find out more. Scottish police confirmed that they trained the unit this year "at strategic, tactical and operational levels to manage public gatherings and protests". They also confirmed that British diplomats had backed an "in-depth study" of the Special Task Force's "capability, training and tactics".

Police Scotland refused to tell us anything more in writing. They invited us to their academy at Tulliallan Castle in Fife to discuss their international strategy face-to-face, claiming they "recognised that there is a general public interest in transparency by public authorities".

Only weeks before our meeting, they denied us permission to record the interview. As a result of this refusal of permission to record the interview we were conscious that Police Scotland were likely to reveal information off camera that they would otherwise refuse to reveal while being recorded. As the interview would cover matters of international importance we decided to secretly film our visit so that the actual position of Police Scotland could not be mistaken.

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The manager, who we are not naming, was extremely cagey about the Special Task Force project. He tried to distance himself, saying, "We've trained individuals who are trainers. What we're doing is training their trainers, how to train." This might have been reassuring, had he not then described their approach as including "da, da, da, human rights stuff".

The training does not seem to have improved the STF's conduct. The day we visited Tulliallan Castle, the Special Task Force was filmed beating and crushing protesters in the north of Sri Lanka. One officer was seen holding his baton the wrong way around, and plunging it like a spear into civilians. In the footage, the unit's military appearance is striking. But the manager was completely unconcerned by the STF's camouflage uniform. "It's not about what people look like... What colour the uniform is – is not the issue," he insisted.

There is a constant stream of local media reports about STF misconduct. In June of 2017, around 90 medical students, including 20 women, were hospitalised after the Special Task Force violently evicted them from Sri Lanka's Health Ministry during a protest. When we tried to show Police Scotland a video of the incident, the manager refused to even watch it.

Amid the screams of trainee doctors trapped in a corridor being bludgeoned by the STF, the manager said: "No, no ... there's no point in showing me it, I'm not a public order specialist one way or the other." He added that, "I'm not commenting on what's right or wrong from a public order perspective, and I can't comment on whether we have trained those individuals or not otherwise."

Police Scotland has another training site south of Glasgow, complete with a model village for practising riot control. The manager appeared to confirm that Sri Lankan police had visited both facilities. He said that the model village had false walls, "because literally if you think of a riot and a crowd, there's quite a lot of bodies bouncing off walls in a crush. So you need something that is going to be robust enough, but at the same time people aren't going to get hurt, in the training exercise." The site has a network of alleyways to replicate real life riots, where protesters might be "running down the wee alleyway and coming behind you", he said.

Our meeting took place in the academy's international unit – a room lined with bookshelves, foreign police hats and trophies. When asked about awards from Sri Lanka on display in his office, the manager downplayed their importance and compared them to "sweeties" foisted upon him by grateful locals. In fact, documents show that one of these "sweeties" was given to Scotland's Deputy Chief Constable "as a token of appreciation" for training a senior Sri Lankan officer.

However, these awards do not mean that the human rights situation is improving in Sri Lanka. Scottish police started work there way back in 2007, initially focusing on "community policing". Throughout this decade of Scottish assistance, the UN has repeatedly accused Sri Lanka's police of torture. In 2007, the UN's Special Rapporteur on Torture warned that there was "overwhelming evidence that torture is routine" among Sri Lankan police.


"The Foreign Office continues to pay Police Scotland for this work, in spite of the UN's warnings about ongoing torture. The project will cost over a million pounds of taxpayer's money this year."

Ten years later, in July of 2017, a UN expert said, "Sri Lanka continues to use torture against people detained on national security grounds, and its progress on human rights, reforms and justice remain woefully slow." The expert said that the minority Tamil community has "borne the brunt of the State's well-oiled torture apparatus", and that, "The use of torture is deeply ingrained in the security sector." In case there was any doubt about what the UN means by torture, the expert listed: "Beatings with sticks, stress positions, asphyxiation using plastic bags drenched in kerosene, pulling out of fingernails, insertion of needles beneath the fingernails, various forms of water torture, suspension for several hours by the thumbs, and mutilation of the genitals."

While we have spoken to several Tamil people who allege that the Special Task Force tortured them within the last decade, the most notorious Sri Lankan units for torture are the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) and Terrorism Investigation Division (TID). Importantly, a senior Sri Lankan police officer told the UN that Police Scotland trained these units. "Training programmes are conducted in collaboration with the Scottish Police College," he said, adding that "about 600 police officers of the inspector rate and the above ranks, including CID, TID and other investigative bureaus of Sri Lanka Police, have attended the programme".

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Police Scotland did not have a problem with training these units. "We didn't teach them in that [torture], we taught, erm..." the manager mused, before saying, "So we taught them through an international vocational award in community policing."

Secret documents revealed by VICE last year showed that British diplomats were concerned about "a veneer of community based policing being used to cover less palatable behaviour".

The Foreign Office continues to pay Police Scotland for this work, in spite of the UN's warnings about ongoing torture. The project will cost over a million pounds of taxpayer's money this year.

The manager refused to discuss any figures, and said, "It's the appropriate grant amount for the work that we do." He explained that this money came from the overseas aid budget.

"There's kind of three or four pools of thought out there," he acknowledged. "There's one which is – do nae engage, don't go, we shouldn't be spending 0.7 percent of GDP of the UK's money, we should keep all that in the UK. That's a view people have, understandably. There's another spectrum of the view that's: we know there are issues, that's why we are there in the first place, to do something about it."


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It seems like this approach allows Police Scotland to train almost anyone. They are required to ask permission from police chiefs, but the manager said he had never had a project refused. Still, there are some limits.

North Korea was laughed off, for now. But their work in Sri Lanka is firmly supported by the UK government, and surprisingly, the Scottish government. The manager said that, "Police officers in Scotland cannot deploy overseas without approval through the Scottish Government." The SNP's leader, Nicola Sturgeon, who is fond of criticising Downing Street for its repressive Gulf allies, seems to be allowing this project with Sri Lanka to carry on.

Responding to VICE's revelations, a Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman said: "The UK has made a long-term commitment to improving human rights in Sri Lanka and is dedicated to helping the country to rebuild and move on from three decades of civil conflict. Encouraging and supporting the Sri Lankan Police Service to improve their policing approach is a key part of that work.

"We have been providing technical support to the Sri Lankan Police Service and its National Police Academy, to strengthen professional standards including a gender sensitive and human rights compliant approach – in line with Sri Lanka's UN Human Rights Council commitments.

"This has focused on minimising the risk of ill treatment or excessive use of force, enhancing investigation skills to reduce reliance on confessions, and on respecting human rights while managing public gatherings and protests."

Superintendent Shaun McKillop, who leads Police Scotland's International Development Unit, said: "Police Scotland, and its legacy forces, is viewed as a worldwide exemplar of law enforcement training and has been providing international assistance and police training since 1993.

"All the training we do supports both the UK and Scottish Government international development policies and objectives, contributes to tackling international crime at source and tackles human rights abuse, while at the same time promoting equality and diversity."

A Scottish Government spokesperson said: "The Scottish Government condemns human rights abuses wherever they occur. We use our international engagement activity to help increase respect for, and understanding of human rights, and we are committed to raising concern if and where appropriate.

"Police Scotland's work is one part of a UK aid programme that has been ongoing over the last decade, with officers delivering a number of different training packages. Sri Lanka has only recently emerged from a long and terrible civil war, requiring the support of the international community to build a strong and functioning criminal justice system, based on human rights and ethics."

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...g-riot-cops-linked-to-war-crimes-in-sri-lanka
 

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What would Britan get anything if Sri Lanka gets into another Civil war!?

Any civil war in Sri Lanka would give opportunities to Indian govt to intervene; sort the Chinese mess. Maybe give political strength to Tamils in Lanka, thus Modi gaining good marks in TN.
 

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@HeinzGud brother any updates?
State emergency is a big thing
Well anti-Muslim sentiment was growing for some time now. Few weeks back there was a incident where a Muslim dhabba was set on fire for allegedly mixing sterilizing pills to foods. This happened in the east coast. The most reason incident was happened in Kandy after four drunkard Muslims beat to death a Sinhalese lorry driver alleging that he misbehaved while driving. Sinahlese have taken law into their own hands and burnt down Muslims shops and Mosques in the vicinity of the Muslim attackers.

Upto now violence is localized to the point where it has started but government have imposed state of emergency to the entire country to curb further violence. Curfew is still imposed in Kandy area. Things are normal in the rest of the country except for few Muslim dominated towns where they have organized some hartals in protest.

Also, the security of the R. Premadasa stadium is tightened amid rumors of further violence. The stadium is situated in a Muslim enclave of Colombo.
 

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Well anti-Muslim sentiment was growing for some time now. Few weeks back there was a incident where a Muslim dhabba was set on fire for allegedly mixing sterilizing pills to foods. This happened in the east coast. The most reason incident was happened in Kandy after four drunkard Muslims beat to death a Sinhalese lorry driver alleging that he misbehaved while driving. Sinahlese have taken law into their own hands and burnt down Muslims shops and Mosques in the vicinity of the Muslim attackers.

Upto now violence is localized to the point where it has started but government have imposed state of emergency to the entire country to curb further violence. Curfew is still imposed in Kandy area. Things are normal in the rest of the country except for few Muslim dominated towns where they have organized some hartals in protest.

Also, the security of the R. Premadasa stadium is tightened amid rumors of further violence. The stadium is situated in a Muslim enclave of Colombo.
Can u tell me about the history of Islam in Sri Lanka I mean bout how it reached there and spread
 

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Can u tell me about the history of Islam in Sri Lanka I mean bout how it reached there and spread
I don't know much about the Islamic history of Sri Lanka though you can check the wiki link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Moors

Apparently, we have the descendants of the initial Arab traders mainly around Colombo, Beruwala and Kandy. There are also Muslims from Malabar coast who have settled down in the Eastern side of Sri Lanka. Then their is the Parsis and Bohras in small numbers.

Muslim were the favorite lap dogs of the British imperialists and they hold some monopoly in import business.
 

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