Spy scandal weighs on U.S. tech firms in China, Cisco takes hit

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Spy scandal weighs on U.S. tech firms in China, Cisco takes hit | Reuters

(Reuters) - U.S. technology companies including Cisco Systems Inc and IBM Corp are facing unprecedented difficulties selling their goods and services in China, as fallout from the U.S. spying scandal starts to take a toll.

Cisco said on Wednesday that its revenue would drop 10 percent this quarter, and continue to contract until the middle of 2014, in part due to a backlash in China against revelations about U.S. government surveillance programs worldwide.

"The U.S. government isn't doing any favors for Cisco," said Evercore Partners analyst Mark McKechnie, after the company's shares fell 10 percent in late trade.

In June, former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden revealed the spy agency had hacked network backbones around the world to gain access to sensitive information.

The leaks provoked a storm in the Chinese media and added urgency to Beijing's efforts to use its market power to create indigenous software and hardware capabilities, analysts and businessmen say.

"This is all about China using its own technology, and China building leading technology companies," said James McGregor, chairman for Greater China at consultancy APCO Worldwide.

In a call with analysts, Cisco Chairman John Chambers said Cisco "and our peers" were facing "challenging political dynamics" in China.

One of those peers, IBM, reported in October a 22 percent drop in China revenue, leading to a decline of 4 percent in third-quarter profit for the world's biggest technology services company.

IBM Chief Financial Officer Mark Loughridge attributed the company's problems to the "process surrounding China's development of a broad-based economic reform plan", which caused state-owned enterprises and governments to delay purchasing.

The company subsequently reassigned the head of its growth markets unit. IBM declined to comment for this story.

FOREIGN COMPANIES MISTRUSTED

Beijing has long mistrusted foreign technology companies, China executives said, and the Snowden revelations have exacerbated those concerns.

Although Beijing has not prohibited state firms from purchasing Western-made technology services and equipment, the government has sent a clear message to chose Chinese-made equipment first, China-based executives say.

"While a formal document hasn't been issued, in the future we will try to buy IT equipment from domestic brands, such as Lenovo," said a person familiar with technology purchases at one of China's four big state-owned banks.

"The government's signal is pretty clear - they want to rely less on U.S. products, such as IOE (IBM, Oracle and EMC Corp," said a former China-based telecommunications executive.

Beijing is especially focused on security for government, energy, transport, and finance networks.

In August, the National Development and Reform Commission, China's top economic planning body, published a statement setting cyber-security standards for financial institutions, cloud computing and big data, information system secrecy management and industrial controls.

Four domestic software and hardware makers, including China National Software & Service Co., announced this month they have received a "top-tier" rating from the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

China National Software's share price has gained nearly 250 percent since Snowden first revealed the existence of the NSA's clandestine data mining program in June.

LONGSTANDING RIVALRY

"We hope and demand that relevant foreign companies respect China's laws," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said on Thursday, when asked about Cisco's woes.

"At the same time, as the Chinese government we of course have an obligation, a responsibility, to protect the country's security."

Cisco's problems in China have been particularly severe due to the San Jose, California-based company's longstanding rivalry with Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, which has faced stiff political opposition to selling equipment and buying companies in the U.S. telecom market.

In October 2012, Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger, the chairman and ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, urged U.S. companies to stop doing business with Huawei, the world's second-biggest telecom equipment maker, and a second Chinese vendor, ZTE Corp, citing security concerns.

Snowden's revelations have reverberated in other big emerging markets such as Brazil, Mexico and India.

Chief Financial Officer Frank Calderoni said China was where Cisco was most affected by a political backlash, but noted that it was difficult to quantify how much of its revenue shortfall was due to politics versus macroeconomic trends.

"Between economic and political issues that are occurring in emerging markets we had a significant impact," Calderoni told Reuters in an interview.

China-based executives say that the impact of China's localization drive was expected to be uneven in the months and years ahead.

For telecommunications equipment, for example, domestic carriers will look to buy products from Huawei and ZTE over Sweden's Ericsson or Cisco, the former telecoms executive said.

Huawei, too, is making rapid progress in its server business, with shipments jumping 258 percent in the second quarter. IBM saw its market share shrink to 13 percent, from 18 percent, during the same period, according to Jefferies LLC.

Huawei now is the second-biggest server vendor in China's double-digit growing market, behind Dell Inc, which retains a market share of 23 percent but is growing at a rate beneath the market's 15.4 percent pace.

For other hi-tech products, including chips and database solutions, China will need more time before its products will be competitive.

"Everyone is feeling the heat from the NSA revelations," said a former employee at a major multinational technology firm. The important point, however, was that companies like IBM don't have competitors for their high-end equipment, the expert added. "If they don't buy from IBM they can't buy from anyone else."
Brazilian and German sales are also way below expectations for a bevy of US tech companies.

Snowden - the gift that keeps on giving.
 

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From Cisco's Q3 2013 earnings call:

Moving on to Asia Pacific, Japan and China similar to last quarter we again experienced the same challenge as many of our peers. Overall Asia Pacific, Japan and China was down 10%. China continued to decline as we and our peers worked through the challenging political dynamics in that country"¦

...Across every geography the impact of emerging market weakness was pronounced and accelerated through the back-end of the quarter. Our top five emerging markets declined 21%, with Brazil down 25%, Mexico down 18%, India down 18%, China down 18%, and Russia down 30%. Just as we always have, we will continue to focus on emerging markets, investing through the challenges and expect to see a return to growth in a few quarters with all the appropriate caveats...

Q: Do you feel that there's something more going on? We're all floored by your guidance here, but is there something a little more to this that with customers outside of the U.S. thinking a little bit more about U.S. IT brands and is that impacting your business and if so or if not, then what do you do in the future? Thanks a lot, John.

A: John T. Chambers – Chairman and CEO: Sure. Ben, I think, if you look at it, it is an impact in China. I think we're all aware of that. I think it's totally impact on the total emerging country business however is fairly nominal.
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Have you heard this old saying?

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
 

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Have you heard this old saying?

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Given the blatant discrimination Huawei has faced in the US, it is sweet, poetic justice to see Cisco get its ass handed to it for the same reasons across the world.
 

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Given the blatant discrimination Huawei has faced in the US, it is sweet, poetic justice to see Cisco get its ass handed to it for the same reasons across the world.
I would buy Cisco now expecting price to rise again.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2013/11/13/cisco-reports-earnings/

Your gloating seems petty, against a background in your country of forced labor and mass forced abortions.

In fact almost all of your posts seem to be a desperate attempt to distract from the realities of life in China by constantly pointing to the missteps of those in other countries.

But you do a good job for The Party.
 

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I hope India will learn a lesson from this that stop using Chinese and American tel and other communication equipments and will also stay away from American military hardware on important areas, we should stay way from using American equipment and weapons unless there is no comparable options in that class.
 

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If China or any country wishes to be really safe from clandestine spying by foreign origin manufacturers, then such a country should not take the assistance of foreign industrial organisations or allow them to sell within their country.

Any items manufactured can always have a bug.

Even an innocuous item like a watch, pen, ball point pen, lipsticks, bags or anything can always have a bug.

China should do well to ban foreign manufacturers and foreign goods for their own safety, if they are really worried seriously about this threat, more so, since in China it is believed that the US is hell bent to destabilise the country and its political and social systems!

Fortunately, in India that type of paranoia is yet to set in.
 

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CSCO has dropped 12% so far. Hope you haven't used your retirement fund to buy Cisco.

I would buy Cisco now expecting price to rise again.

Cisco Posts Mixed 1Q Results, Shares Dip | Fox Business

Your gloating seems petty, against a background in your country of forced labor and mass forced abortions.

In fact almost all of your posts seem to be a desperate attempt to distract from the realities of life in China by constantly pointing to the missteps of those in other countries.

But you do a good job for The Party.
 

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CSCO has dropped 12% so far. Hope you haven't used your retirement fund to buy Cisco.
Given Ewald's background in Army Intelligence, I wouldn't be surprised if insider trading regulations barred him from buying or selling Cisco stock.

;)
 

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If US companies in China sink, would it not also make the Chinese economy sink?

And the labour who will be cast off to cut corners, not get restive causing social, political and law and order disorders?
 

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I would buy Cisco now expecting price to rise again.

Cisco Posts Mixed 1Q Results, Shares Dip | Fox Business

Your gloating seems petty, against a background in your country of forced labor and mass forced abortions.

In fact almost all of your posts seem to be a desperate attempt to distract from the realities of life in China by constantly pointing to the missteps of those in other countries.

But you do a good job for The Party.
So its OKAY for the US Intelligence community to be storing basically all the communications data of every internet user on the globe?

Sure t_co is having a field day with it, but even you have to admit that the statistics are quite stagering... And all of it done in SECRET, with no judicial oversight apart from a rubberstamping SECRET court.

Then Obama promises reforms, but lo and behold when Feinstein proposes them, a closer look reveals they are fake and basicaly LEGALIZE the illegalities revealed by Snowden.

Put it anyway you want, but all the high and mighty talk from the US intelligence chiefs on HUAWEI was actually just killing off the competition. To use now famous corporate media signiture spin "everyone spies", what they leave out is: only the US spies on everyone.

Forget MSNBC and foxnews and look up glenn greenwald's work if you want any credible dissemination of Snowden's revelations. Things like Xkeyscore.

The guy gave up his livelihood and family - basically his whole life - for no actual material benefit, so the average american would know what your government does in secret. The least you could do is look through the info before you let millionaire corporate media hosts and Dick Cheney - the guy responsible for Iraq - convince you he's a traitor.
 
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الصين يشعرون بالقلق؟

Of concern.
 

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