Iamanidiot
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Fly over a city like Toulon and compare it to flying over Guangzhou, French streets are well lit, buildings full. I have to walk the hall to my Chinese flat in complete darkness in the middle of the night. On a floor holding 20 apartments, only 5 of them are rented. Look out the window right before the shops close at night and there are only scattered lights on here and there in the maze of highrises. Of course you have to peer through a haze to see it. I thought they were going to clean this air for the Asian Games but I can barely breath. Thank GOD it just rained. This is Tianhe I am talking about, it is not exactly the poor district.
After they pay rent, they have 600RMB to live man. Chinese workers in my company only make like 2500-3500 which is like an office wage here. Rent is expensive, like 2000RMB for anything decent outside downtown or get a roomate and live close. Anything less is a hole in the wall. I pay 4000 for my place but split the rent The one thing China got right was public transportation, the bus and metro are great. Only wish they would print the bus schedule in English like they do the metro.
For the RMB to appreciate greatly, CCP has to be willing to sacrifice exporters because they are only making ends on the margins. Raising the currency will make exports less competitive killing them. China's only selling point is cheap, and let me tell you, everything here is built on the cheap. Even a McDonalds Big Mac combo will cost you 23 RMB and you get these tiny little fries, small coke and NO MEAT. Little tiny patties with nothing there... sad. Don't get me started on KFC chicken man... it is like Chinese do not feed their chickens. No meat on the bones at all... bone and skin. Had to go to the Arab market to get a decent sized piece of chicken.
Chinese productivity is getting worse, not better. So many people wasted cleaning streets. Throw your trash down and someone with a broom to sweep it up. Why bother placing trashcans? That kind of attitiude is prevalent throughout Chinese industry. It is about mass employment... not efficiency. I will tell you why Chinese service industry doesn't take off. You can't use a credit card hardly anywhere. A society based on cash will not get a service consumer based economy. Get CCs, cheap housing, universal health and good pensions and maybe we can talk about the future of Chinese services. It is a pain in the arse just to move money in this country and financial services are a huge market China misses out on. China infrastructure is done... they do not need hardly any of the crap they still build around here. Maybe if you could teach people how to DRIVE they could make better use of it instead of waiting every hour to clear an accident.
I am here living the China man... nothing I think about its future has changed. Actually just reinforced my previous statements.
thread is about china
The 4000 RMB, actually 3700+service fee was the only flat shown that I would even consider habitating. I saw run down shits for like 2500-3000 in the same area, two bedrooms. They were moldy with squat toilets, filthy nasty places. I find it funny in China that the higher floor is actually cheaper. I was like.... show me the penthouse, must be the cheapest rent! The proper rent urban Chinese can afford is anything less than 1000 RMB which leaves some percent of income to go for other necessities. You can't find a place like that around here except a hole in the wall. People don't want to live there either as everything is so materialistic. Working couples will spend the 2000 RMB to get a sizable rundown apartment even if it eats half their wages.Armand2REP:
I just do a quick search from one Guangzhou rental website, looking for what I can get from Tianhe at 4000RMB/Month, here is the search result, sorry, i don't how to post picture here, so just leave the link for anyone who are interest.
http://rent.gz.soufun.com/house-a073/c23000-d25000-u21-n31/
Just one example: brand new 861sqf/2bedroom/2dinning/1bath/kitchen/withTV,Internet,funiture,everything 4000RMB/month with 1 year lease.
The same kind apartment in New York city, you have to pay 3000~4000$/month, in Toronto, you have to pay 2000$ at least.
They don't, they rent the 2000 rundown apartment. Leaves them like 600RMB for all other expenses. They don't eat at Western chain stores, you know everything with a Western brand is taxed by 45%. They eat the Chinese way, open market with communal dinner. King of Noodles will do in a pinch. It isn't like most Chinese eat like a Westerner either. Only the ones with money do. If you want to live a Western lifestyle in China, it will cost you Western money. And it isn't like they are actually getting Western imports when they buy it. Still Made in China with a logo pasted on. The quality is bad. Starbucks is about the only thing I would rate on par with its Western counterpart. Working Chinese will get married just so they can split rent man, these girls don't know about love. It is about money. Everywhere I go I got girls wanting to get in my pants so they can get a meal ticket. I finally found one that didn't need that, but she constantly degrades me in public. I guess that is how Chinese women get off. She won't party but she takes care of things at home.You work in chinese, I guess your income is much higher than the low class worker, you spend 2000RMB sharing a 4000RMB awesome apartment with someone, I can understand, but why a chinese worker with 2500RMB income, need to rent a 4000RMB/month apartment with someone? only left himself 500RMB for whole month? you said Big Mac Comb 23RMB, 500~600RMB can only buy around 30 BMAC, how can he survive?
Last time I checked, Tiyu Dong Lu was Tienhe district. Tienhe Lu intersects it. I live a couple blocks from there.Man, I believe you are living in Guangdon, China, don't make the story, just tell the truth.
Those games are over man. That place is like a ghost town now. I am only a few blocks from it.nyone really want to know how Tianhe look like? find youtube 2010 Asian Olympic Marathon, take a look by yourself.
reading through all your nagging, I come to see why SHE degrades u in public.Working Chinese will get married just so they can split rent man, these girls don't know about love. It is about money. Everywhere I go I got girls wanting to get in my pants so they can get a meal ticket. I finally found one that didn't need that, but she constantly degrades me in public. I guess that is how Chinese women get off. She won't party but she takes care of things at home.
Sorry, but could barely understand anything in your post... more lucid please?Man, the thing is not really like you image:
1) The chinese political leaders are not stupid to be blinded what you know.
2) Chinese population is over 1.4 billion, there is no enough resource to support that much people with high living standard, so China still apply serious birth control policy. But it should not be simply called One Child Policy, because in rural area, most family has at least 2 children, even in urban area, only the couples working ifor government, are strictly following this policy. In city, if husband and wife are both from single child family, they are allowed to have their second child, for example, Chairman Mao grandson, General Mao Xinyu, he has 1 girl and 1 boy with his current wife (He also has 1 girl with his ex wife).
3) As you mentioned the reason, in urban area, the chinese tradition get chanlleged, more and more young couple want to have daughtor, not son, but in rural area, peasant family still need man power working in the field, most family will keep pregnant til one son is born, naturally this won't break the gender balance. In fact, the balance was seriously broken in 90s, because rural clinic start to use ultrason to distinguish fetus gender, then a lot of femal fetus were aborted. since Chinese government strengthened management of altrasonic equipment in 2000s, the situation has improved significantly.
The gender balance problem is not a simple birth gender balance problem, it is more complicated:
eq. every year, more than 3 million chinese students graduated from university/colleage, over 50% are girl, as normal, girl is looking for a husband with higher degree than herself, there will be a problem, many women with high education degree can not find husband, and many men with low degree can not find wife.
eq. before 2009, more chinese women marry foreign men, but now, the tend is changing, more and more foreign women marry chinese men.
eq. The chinese society is getting more mature, open mind and tolerant, the sex industy get wide and public, for man and woman from different class, can easily find the sexual supply.
Gender balance is big problem, but not as simple as you think. For India, you do not has 1 child policy, but you has or you will have the same kind of problems I mention here soon or late.
4) China doesn't need that much labor, because China can not really stepover American by only making jean, shirt, socks, christmas tree......, china is accumulating fund to do industry updating, one 5th generation jet fighter J20 = 10 million jean pants = 100 million dollars, how many labor you need to make one jet fighter??
I don't expect to answer all your question and concern, just give you idea, China may not as you think.
Haha, your points are so moot in comparison to what China is doing.Shaka,
1) That's good point: what's for to make the country be a superpower, but people has to be naked at airport!! I should ask american friend :emot15:
2) I have a question to ask you, why India get so aggressive after 1947 independant? that's not like traditional India? India annexed SIKKIM in 1975, swallowed 90,000sqk chinese tibetan land between 1947 and 1963, dismembered Pakistan in 1972, bully Nepel, Butan, Sri lan, Bangladesh, why India need to do that? to be a region super dominate power? you are already!! At least, China was no any interest to chanllege India in that region.
All because of Indian aggresive "Forward Policy", turn China, one of your best friend to be your enemy, and Indian has to suffer the airport naked embarrasses
If Indian premier Nehru was not that greedy, made a peaceful deal with chinese premier Zou Enlai, India can still keep at least half of ocuppied chinese land in 1961, and China won't support Pakistan in later war, India could already unit the indian subcontinent, could already be a permanent member of UN security council, at least India doesn't need to spend 20 billion dollars every year on military budget to compete with China and Pakistan.
I think India lost more than she got with her aggressive action after 1947.
I believe Indian will lose more in future if you don't change your foreign policy.
I meant American people in America. I wont like myself to be strip searched at an "Indian" airport, whether India is a superpower or not, I simple wont accept that. If I travel to another country I should and I do look at the risks that I could be strip searched if i go to America for example.Shaka,
1) That's good point: what's for to make the country be a superpower, but people has to be naked at airport!! I should ask american friend :emot15:
I think you need to learn more about India. War is un-separable part of Indian history. Right from the times of mahabharat, maybe from even before that. Indians were never peaceful like you can say buddhist are. Indian thought process believes in idealism combined with realism.2) I have a question to ask you, why India get so aggressive after 1947 independant? that's not like traditional India? India annexed SIKKIM in 1975, swallowed 90,000sqk chinese tibetan land between 1947 and 1963, dismembered Pakistan in 1972, bully Nepel, Butan, Sri lan, Bangladesh, why India need to do that? to be a region super dominate power? you are already!! At least, China was no any interest to chanllege India in that region.
You can support Pakistan as much as you want, but you should thank us we are not supporting Tibetans militarily against you guys. I don't think India will gain anything substantial from UNSC seat.If Indian premier Nehru was not that greedy, made a peaceful deal with chinese premier Zou Enlai, India can still keep at least half of ocuppied chinese land in 1961, and China won't support Pakistan in later war, India could already unit the indian subcontinent, could already be a permanent member of UN security council, at least India doesn't need to spend 20 billion dollars every year on military budget to compete with China and Pakistan.
Thats funny I have always thought India hasn't been aggressive enoughI think India lost more than she got with her aggressive action after 1947.
Like what ???I believe Indian will lose more in future if you don't change your foreign policy.
There is no greater threat to India economically and territorially than China. A war has been fought taking sovereign Indian lands and every year they creep further and further while GOI plays Hindi Chini Bai Bai. India is flooded with illegal goods and shoddy workmanship which kill local industry and people in the process. It also supports the pariah states that surround India, namely the failed states of Pakistan and Burma. She also hosts Maoist training centres and arms the rebellion to destabalise India. It is time to open India's eyes!I Like what ???
I also hope India will have good relations with China in future. To be honest I don't see Chinese people enemies of India. They never were if you take out last 50 or so years. I dont want India to allign itself with US against China.
To their standard, your must be one of those paid posters.18 million cars are projected to be sold in China this year, can you cook this? 2000 jetliners are flying in China, can you cook this? More than 50 million PC were sold in China last year alone, can you cook this?
Then how much truth there is to India's numbers. Wasn't just couple months ago there was a huge controversy regarding India's GDP figures?
Don't you think any statistical numbers from a country where election votes take 2 months to count, should automatically be taken with a grain of salt?
Hmmm - let's see, China has 14% of the world poor, compared to India's 25%. But, wait, India's poverty estimates are done by foreign (World Bank) organizations using international indices, China's are done by CCP/ Chinese govt using their own indices. Which, according to poverty study experts, are grossly inaccurate and under-report poverty in China. The actual figure might be closer to 20%.Indians often accuse China playing the number game and cooking up stats, but in truth is no one cares more about GDP figure than the indians themselves. When sales of cars, computers, houses and everything else including food items only linger at a fraction of China's, its doesn't matter whether you have a trillion dollar GDP or a 10 trillion dollar GDP.
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