some information about chinese AWAC

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  1. badguy2000

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    some interest leaks about CHinese AWAC from a Chinese semi-official magazine

    <Weapon Knowledge> is a semi-official magazine. Last week,the magazine reported a intervew of MR.Wang Xiaomo. the interveiw leaks lots of interesting informations about CHinese AWAC projects such as costs..

    Mr.Wang Xiaomo is one of CHinese National Acedemicians. He is Chinese top scientist in the field of radar. He is also the leader of chinese AWAC project.

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    What is the point of this thread?? Without further information as to his interview or report on his interview, this thread remain locked. When you have info on this pm the mods for unlocking the thread.
     
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    some interest leaks about CHinese AWAC from a Chinese semi-official magazine

    Source : bbs.cjdby.net
    王小谟院士关于中国预警机的最全爆料--造价、性能、下一代!-
    摘自最新的《兵器知识》专访!里面很有料:
    1、第一次做的几架预警机花了几十亿(不知包不包括机体),现在预警机十几亿就可以做出来了,以后一两个亿就可以做一架。过去做预警机需要惊动国家领导人,以后连部门领导都不用知道。
    2、以后考虑柔性的设计。就像汽车,每年都在求变,同一型号产品08款和09款差距很大,我们的预警机也一样,每两年一款,都有新东西在上面。我们有信心比美国人做得好!
    3、在开发预警机的过程中,最头疼机体,但用哪个哪个就卡,俄罗斯看我们做出预警机了,不想买IL76了,这不卖不要紧,“逼”的我们在小一些并且是我们自己生产的飞机上面也能做到这些性能。我们利用自身的特点,想出了各种各样的方法,做出了有自己特色的预警机。
    4、我们的电子设备,从配置上来说,是非常齐全的,国际上还没有一种型号有我们的齐全。
    5、从体制上来说,几乎每一种电子系统的体制都是处于世界上预警机里的先进水平。
    6、美国人现在也可以做成我们这样,只不过他们觉得现在的预警机已经够用了,觉得没必要跟着别人不断更新,投入不必要的成本,这样,我们就后来者居上了。
    7、共性天线是趋势,以后我们可以做很多相控阵天线单元,到处分布,象装修房子贴瓷片一样到处贴,哪里有空就把天线贴上去。现在经过我们测算,认为原理上可行,下一代或者下下代预警机就准备朝这个方向发展。做好以后,你将找不到天线,这就是下一代预警机的雏形[/QUOTE]。



    1.When the first batch of chinese-made AWAC were produced, one AWAC costs billions of RMB. But now the cost has been reduced to 100+ million RMB/per(about 10+ million USD). Soon ,the cost will decrease to be only 10-20 million RMBs(only 1.5-3.0 million USD)/per .
    The first batch of CHinese-made AWAC were so expensive that even CHinese national leaders paid lots of attentions and sent greeting.
    But now, the CHinese-made AWACs were so cheap that they even can not attract any attention from any minister

    2、 the upgrade of Chinese-made AWAC is as rapid as the upgrade of cars.Every two years, Chinese can work out a new typel AWAC.Every new batch has new toys fixed .
    MR Wang expressed that he has confidence that China can do the job better than Yankees.

    3、The platform is the biggest headache for chinese AWAC projects. After knowing that CHinese have work out its own AWAC, Russian refuse to sell IL76 to CHina. It make CHinese to work out smaller AWAC and make those smaller AWAC as capable as those bigger AWAC.

    4、The eletronic facilities of Chinese AWAC is very "all ready complete". no foreign AWAC can be more ""all ready complete" than CHinese's

    5. Nealy all electronic systems of CHinese-made AWAC is "globally advanced"

    6、Yankees also can work out ones as advanced as Chinese-made AWAC. But they may feel that what they have now is good enough and need not upgrade theirs as rapid as CHinese do.
    So,Yankee are not ready to invest more on their AWAC and CHinese-made AWAC has caught up with Yankees.

    7、To adopt General Antena is new tendency of AWAC. in the future ,the antena of AWAC can be "posted" on airframes as easily as " ceramic tiles" are posted on walls.So, the next generation AWAC will not have "mushroom" any more.
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    more digestions ................................
     
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    wow WOW.badguy is from CD ,hoho, i like CD
     
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    it appears that chines are claiming copyright for this design............
     
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    "8、 WIth the help of Isreal, Chinese learn how to mass-produce T/R,the key components of AESA. the quality of chinese-made T/R is very good.

    9、Israel also helped Chinese some new concept of advanced radars. Chinese cooperation with Israel in 1990s sped CHinese indigenous AWAC project."

    The widespread availability of military technology makes it almost impossible to determine where China is obtaining the technology for her "breakthroughs." Until I read the interview, I would have said that the Chinese AWACS project derived from US technology. I'm shocked that China and Israel were already working together on AWACs back in the 1990s.

    I would have guessed that China's military budget was too small in the 1990s to support such an ambitious project. I'm beginning to wonder if the Chinese military budget, per CIA claim, is much bigger than the published budget.
     
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    this is the design our chines friend is talking about.

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    this is DRDO AWAC
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    well, one dollar of CHinese defence budget can buy two time more weapons than the counterpart of yankee's defence budget,because RMB is too undervaluded.
     
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    well,maybe...............
     
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    Chinese KJ-2000 AWACS

    Development of Chinese KJ-2000 AWACS

    Sunday, October 18, 2009

    By Johnathan Weng

    Chinese Air Force KJ-2000 AWACS just played a main role in the air parade in PRC’s 60th Anniversary day. China government also announces that it become the 4th country which can design and manufacture Airborne Warning and Control System behind U.S., Russia and Israel.

    But before the October.1 2009, the development history of Chinese KJ-2000 AWACS is still uncover from the classified files. Fortunately, one Chinese state-run magazine newly published in this month makes an interview with one Chinese leading electronic expert to tell a story of KJ-2000.

    Mr. Wang Xiaomo, the interviewee who has been engaging in the research and design of radar and made great contributions to the development of the Chinese military electronic industry. Here is the brief content of the interview.

    Reporter: China began the KJ-1 (Air Warning-1) Project at the end of 1960s, why it was canceled. And when did China re-initiate the AWACS project later?

    Wang: The KJ-1 Project was terminated because China could not solve the problem of Ground Clutter when airborne radar power-on. The failure of KJ-1 project tells that China must make technological breakthrough in “Ultra-Pure Spectrum Transmitter”, “High Performance Signal Processor” and “ultra-low sidelobe antenna” before develop AWACS. In 1970s, China has made great achievements in radar technologies and the boost of computer also brings a reality of producing high-performance digital processor.

    Besides, several conflicts occurred since 1980s have display the supreme position of early warning aircraft. Under the background of international situation, China decided to develop or acquire AWACS since early 1990s.

    Reporter: It must be an unusual and hard road.

    Wang: Yes. Although preparations has been made for years, whether China has the ability to develop early warning aircraft is still argued in academic circle. In 1992, several Chinese Scientists and engineers provide a report to government for explaining China’s ability and determination in early warning aircraft development. The government at that time also organized one oversea visiting delegation (I am one member of it) to three countries: U.K., Russia and Israel.

    The delegation later brought one sum-up: purchase from other countries for realizing operational ability as soon as possible. The delegation at that time believed that Israel early warning aircraft had excellent performance but was immature for advanced ARRAY radar technology. Meanwhile the Russia’s can not satisfy our demands. The delegation wanted to purchase UK’s “Nimrod”, but this project was canceled later.

    Finally China determined to develop airborne early warning system by domestic power and simultaneously import related technologies from Israel.

    In 1992, China and Israel made a primitive agreement to co-develop an airborne Early Warning system for PLA Air Force. After 4 years, both sides signed a official contract, which defined a cooperative AWACS design basing on IL-76 platform. Israel provided a modified Phalcon system mounting antennas either on the aircraft fuselage and nose dome. But we thought that this configure could only provide 360°coverage. Then Chinese side provided another plan to install an expanded over-fuselage stationary radar dome. This is the largest radar dome in the world. For this, China built the largest Autoclave in Asia for producing composite material radar dome.

    Reporter: How about the later cooperation between China and Israel?

    Wang: In 1999, the improvement of IL-76 has been finished in Russia and the plane was transferred to Israel for electronic installation. Under the pressure from United States, however, the contract was canceled. Israel finally paid us the penalty for breach of contract. The quit of Israel postpone the operational timeline of AEW&C aircrafts but speeded up the domestic development.

    Reporter: What do we get from the cooperation with Israel?

    Wang: 1. From Israel, China learned the T/R module and composite material radar dome production process specifications to control the quality.

    2. Israel helped China to design radar structure basing on data bus network.


    Reporter: When Israel canceled the project, did China have other choice?

    Wang: Russia advised to jointly develop A-50 and even wanted to “lend” 4 A-50s to PLA Air Force before the joint development. Actually, Russian never believes China can produce indigenous AWE&C system.

    When the “4.1″ mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E and a PLA Navy J-8II interceptor fighter jet, China felt it had been in a hard international security situation. In normal condition, China would own AWE&C system in 10 years. And the military department could not wait for such a long time. So “AWE&C Made in China” did not acquire much supports.

    But the top leader in Chinese government supports us. In 2002, the land testing sample aircraft was finished. In 2003, the prototype successfully finished its trial flight. In the last month of 2007, KJ-2000 entered service in PLA Air Force.

    We spent only 5 years to manufacture China’s own AEW&C system.

    Report: Did we meet other difficulties during the R & D?

    Wang: 1: Electromagnetic compatibility design; 2: Software compatibility; 3: Battlefield Data Fusion via Datalink; 4: Scanning performance in mountain area; 5: We have no choices but IL-76 platform at that time. Russia don’t want sell China IL-76 after the birth of KJ-2000. But China develops some special AEW&C system, such as KJ-200, based on Y-8 aircraft.

    Reporter: Please make an outlook of Chinese future AEW&C system

    Wang: China has owned a complete and full family of AEW&C system. In future, AEW&C system made by Chinese will be very competitive in lower price. KJ-2000 costs billions of RMB and some new systems will only spend thousands or even millions of RMB.

    Being a large country, China in future will need more AEW&C systems. We can develop lots of variants or upgraded version from present systems.

    Besides, our next object is Conformal Array Airborne Phased Radar, however, which exceeds today data processing technologies. We believe that China’s Radar technology is on the same level with foreign countries. Who make breakthrough in new concept radar or other detection methods, who will leading the world.

    Background: a brief introduction of WANG XIAOMO

    Mr. Wang Xiaomo, a radar expert, was born in 1938. He graduated from Beijing Industry Institute (now named Beijing Institute of Technology, BIT) in 1961. He is now the executive vice president of China Academy of Electronics and Information Technology, as well as a tutor of Ph.D. students at BIT and a member of China Engineering Academy.

    In the past thirty years, Mr. Wang Xiaomo has been engaging in the research and design of radar. He has made great contributions to the development of the Chinese military electronic industry. He designed many new types of radar by using the state of the art technologies. He has high attainments in the aspect of Three-dimension Radar and Low-attitude Radar, he is the founder of these types of radar in China. The JY-8 and JY-9 radar, designed and developed under his leadership, filled the gaps in the fields of radar technique in China. These radars not only broke through the traditional mode of design, put forward the development and manufacturing of radar into a new era, but also shortened the distance to the advanced world technology.
     
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    Yes this is the famous Chinese AWACS that crashed awhile back, some claim on it's maiden flight.
     
  14. qilaotou

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    It seems to be a google translated shortened version of the interview. There are many mistakes in the translation. Russia accepted a PLA order for 36 Il-76 and Il-78 but not a single one is delivered to date.
     

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