Solving China's #1 National Security Problem

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Realistically speaking, what is China's #1 national security problem?

Don't say the United States, because thermonuclear weapons will never be used. If it is, none of us will be here to argue about it.

Thus, the real-world top concern for China is food security. The amount of food China produces is just sufficient to maintain its population.

What if there is a bad harvest? China has food silos that can provide food for its population for a few years.

How about a prolonged period of bad harvests over many years? There is a way to solve this problem.

Historically, Mongolia has been part of China until 1945. Recently, Russia reclaimed the Crimea (by claiming it is historically Russian territory). Israel is busy annexing the West Bank a little chunk at a time (by claiming it is historically Jewish territory). Similarly, China should just proclaim it is reclaiming part of its historical territory in Outer Mongolia.

Look at the topography of Outer Mongolia. It is 75% grassland. Mongolia (604,600 sq. mi) is almost the size of four Californias (163,696 sq. mi). That means China can easily reclaim three Californias of arable grassland.


Furthermore, look at the latitude of Outer Mongolia. It is located at the same latitude as North and South Dakota, which are prime wheat-producing regions.


Outer Mongolia is at the right altitude and latitude. It also has plenty of water from its numerous rivers.


Most of Outer Mongolia is grassland.


As China-US relations head south, keep your eye on Outer Mongolia. Chinese President Xi Jinping may decide to rejoin Mongolia back to China for national security reasons. Instead of importing food from the United States, China can produce its own food in Outer Mongolia.
 
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mongolia annexation would be a geopolitical nightmare. China is becoming a huge if not the predominant economic power on earth or at least the eastern hemisphere it can easily buy most of its food like the UK does or the USA can (but doesn't need to). there is Africa and south America that will sell food products for pennies to China and even India if the need arises.
 

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to be fair though mongolia is isolated geographically and chinese are becoming very arrogant and conceited while being run by a small group of dictators who don't value international peace as much as they do avenging their 'hundred years of humiliation' through expansionism.

So there's always a chance
 

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to be fair though mongolia is isolated geographically and chinese are becoming very arrogant and conceited while being run by a small group of dictators who don't value international peace as much as they do avenging their 'hundred years of humiliation' through expansionism.

So there's always a chance

Chinese attempts to expand significantly will be countered by various countries.They can attempt to expand,esp under XI Jinping.XI appears to believe in the same principles as Hitler,that of his superiority.
 

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Devil's advocate;
Who would risk a world war to protect a country like mongolia which would a logistical nightmare to battle on with almost no strategic or economic benefits?

will Russia allow nato, Japan/ SK/India travel to mongolia to defend it? seems doubtful. China has more to gain materially than anyone else would in any way by defending Mongolia. it's just another Tibet or Bhutan.
 

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Devil's advocate;
Who would risk a world war to protect a country like mongolia which would a logistical nightmare to battle on with almost no strategic or economic benefits?

will Russia allow nato, Japan/ SK/India travel to mongolia to defend it? seems doubtful. China has more to gain materially than anyone else would in any way by defending Mongolia. it's just another Tibet or Bhutan.
The West is very aware what appeasement policy can do.NATO Japan India dont need to go to Mongolia.South China Sea is enough.Block off the straits of Malacca and watch the Dragon squirm like the Lizard it actually is.
 

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The West is very aware what appeasement policy can do.NATO Japan India dont need to go to Mongolia.South China Sea is enough.Block off the straits of Malacca and watch the Dragon squirm like the Lizard it actually is.
Forget a country like USA, a corporation (Apple) made CCP whine like a little girl Just by talking about moving ONE OF ITS PRODUCT production facility to India. That says what kind of reptile China really is.
 
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Forget a country like USA, a corporation (Apple) made CCP whine like a little girl Just by talking about moving ONE OF ITS PRODUCTS production facility to India. That says what kind of reptile China really is.
They are dependent on the West to manufacture western products and export them.Now the West has realised that they are creating a monster which is feeding on their blood and will hurt them.In the next decade expect a lot of manufacturing to shift to India Vietnam Malaysia etc.Without western manufacturing 30-40% of Chinese economy will be redundant.

The present system n the world is western designed and those who have made the system know how to put people who try to disrupt it,on track
 

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The West is very aware what appeasement policy can do.NATO Japan India dont need to go to Mongolia.South China Sea is enough.Block off the straits of Malacca and watch the Dragon squirm like the Lizard it actually is.
Patrolling south China or Malacca would interfere with international trade and the global economy. if India can get the international community's approval to do so it would be feasible but otherwise India would be seen as a hostile nation..?
 

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Patrolling south China or Malacca would interfere with international trade and the global economy. if India can get the international community's approval to do so it would be feasible but otherwise India would be seen as a hostile nation..?
If China invades Mongolia then India wont be the only Nation blocking the straits of Malacca.
 

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to be fair though mongolia is isolated geographically and chinese are becoming very arrogant and conceited while being run by a small group of dictators who don't value international peace as much as they do avenging their 'hundred years of humiliation' through expansionism.

So there's always a chance
Two words: Buffer state.

Mongolia is a buffer state, much like say Nepal or NoKo.

If Mongolia is invaded by chins then the rus will not just sit and watch.

Also the OP seems to be some kind of fanboi. 75% is grassland? Gobi desert be damned.
Also why compare Mongolia with Dakota, Mongolia is mostly on a plateau.
 

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Don't underestimate the will of the people to fight for freedom.

Afghanistan despite being divided amongst so many tribes has historically proven as a graveyard of empires. There are too many similarities between Afghans and Mongols.

US had a better chance of winning the Vietnam war than China has chance of taking control over Mongolia due to the emerging geopolitical situation.

India, US and Japan are all salivating for this opportunity.

China may try but will end up loosing Tibet and Inner Mongolia. It will not take much effort on part of India to activate her deep assets in Tibet and arm them for irregular warfare.

Another front will be aggressive information war in the Chinese mainland. Unlike free democracies, the autocratic CCP is extremely vulnerable to propaganda.

China won't survive, neither will CCP.
 
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No one lives in Mongolia. There are only 2.8 million people. It is the most sparsely populated territory in the world.

There will be no resistance.

Hong Kong (e.g. 7.2 million inhabitants) has over twice the population of Mongolia.

Reclaiming Outer Mongolia is easier than reclaiming Hong Kong.
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In March 2014, Russia reclaimed Crimea.

In November 2014, Russia sent troops and equipment into Eastern Ukraine.

There have been no repercussions.

Since Russian action is accepted by the world, there is no downside to reclaiming Outer Mongolia for China.
 

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No one lives in Mongolia. There are only 2.8 million people. It is the most sparsely populated territory in the world.

There will be no resistance.

Hong Kong (e.g. 7.2 million inhabitants) has over twice the population of Mongolia.

Reclaiming Outer Mongolia is easier than reclaiming Hong Kong.
Not going to happen. Hong Kong was returned after 99 year because if treaty. Britain took it and promised to return Hong Kong after 99 year so they did it. Plus Mongolia is a independent country and has many big MNC and Russia has deals to exploits the oil, gas and minerals. The only was to pull it of will be a popular referendum and the Mongolia public is not that pro Chinese. Mongolia is also a potential member of Russia lead EEU, so it will increase hostility with Russia and strength the anti China coalition.
 

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Not going to happen. Hong Kong was returned after 99 year because if treaty. Britain took it and promised to return Hong Kong after 99 year so they did it. Plus Mongolia is a independent country and has many big MNC and Russia has deals to exploits the oil, gas and minerals. The only was to pull it of will be a popular referendum and the Mongolia public is not that pro Chinese. Mongolia is also a potential member of Russia lead EEU, so it will increase hostility with Russia and strength the anti China coalition.
No.

Hong Kong was returned, because Deng Xiaoping demanded it. He told Margaret Thatcher that China could march troops into Hong Kong this afternoon to reclaim it. Margaret Thatcher replied that China's reputation would take a hit and gave up her dream of extending the lease on Hong Kong.

If Chinese President Xi Jinping decides he wants Outer Mongolia back, he merely has to order the PLA into Outer Mongolia this afternoon to fix the problem.
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as far as I know ........................Mongolians Ruled china in the Past




if you ever tried to capture Mangolia ......................then Russia will oppose it ...........

You will face American & European sanctions .

which will destroy all of Your economy.


all of Your semiconductor Industry is dependent on American , Korean & Taiwanese companies .

china is just providing cheap labors ......You dont have any advanced technology .


and if You think nukes will save You from American attacks then you are wrong .................

nukes are old technology and now there are many ways to counter it .

Americans are preparing for it for decades ...........................I'm sure they have solution ................or they will develop in the near future .
 

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