Soldier BEHEADED and two men shot in London TERROR ATTACK

[tramp]

Moderate and liberal muslims rising against extremists?????

The extremists actually are implementing the hidden desires of the so called Moderate and liberal muslims.

You hit the nail on the head bro. I came across this slightly old article which appeared surprisingly on Frontline magazine of The Hindu.

The writer, Shajahan Madampatt, argues that democracy and Islam (in its pure flavour) do not go together.

Navigation News - Frontline

Islam and Democracy
The two concepts are inherently incompatible with each other at their core

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Although claims of moderation and adherence to democratic values by Islamists must be taken at face value, the fact remains that Islamism and democracy are inherently incompatible with each other at their core.

While Islam as a faith and lived reality and democracy as a culture and political system are compatible, Islamism as a political ideology is premised upon the total negation of all the fundamentals of pluralist democracy, most importantly the idea of equal citizenship. Dissenters, liberals and freethinkers from within the Muslim community stand to suffer the most in an Islamic state as envisaged by the Islamists.

The construction of a permanent majority throws democracy out and brings tyranny in because a polity can remain democratic only if the majorities are constantly in a state of flux. The wanton use of religion as an instrument of coercion, power and political mobilisation and its consequent desacralisation will impact adversely on the polity in ways that go far beyond the immediacy of electoral politics. It will not only undermine and distort the democratic processes and unleash physical and emotional violence at all levels but also kill the soul of a culture. While religion as faith as well as an instrument of persuasion has historically played a humanising role, religion as ideology and an instrument of coercion has only resulted in structures of violence, hidden and manifest.

 

[rock127]

^^ I feel a great sense of poetic justice every time such things happen in the UK. These people have lectured us for decades about "human rights", "minorities", and such stuff. IRA activity was "terrorism" while Khalistani and Kashmiri activity was "freedom fighting".

With such a tiny immigrant population of Muslims (less than 5%), these people are already so bigoted and full of hate. India has managed pretty well for all these decades with a much larger Muslim population, and with all the linguistic, racial and other divisions in Indian society, not to mention the poverty.

I hope the Muslim population in Britain goes on increasing. That will teach these fellows to lecture us constantly about "human rights" and "minority rights".

This is what I am saying for last 100 years.

 

[rock127]

UK mosques attacked in backlash of BEHEADING of British soldier

(Police officers stand outside a block of flats in Greenwich following a raid in connection with the killing of a British soldier in nearby Woolwich, south east London May 23, 2013. Two men used a car to run down 25-year-old Afghan war veteran Drummer Lee Rigby outside Woolwich Barracks in southeast London and then attacked him with a meat cleaver and knives, witnesses said. The pair then told shocked bystanders they acted in revenge for British wars in Muslim countries.)

UK mosques attacked in backlash of BEHEADING of British soldier

LONDON: Britain experienced a communal backlash against Muslims within 24 hours of a young, serving soldier being butchered with "stone age savagery" in Woolwich by two radical British Nigerians who had changed from being "devout Christians to Muslims" recently.

Mobs calling themselves English Defence League clashed with riot police after last night's "terror attack". Mosques in Woolwich, Braintree in Essex and Gillingham in Kent were attacked with bricks and bottles.Fearing such backlash could intensify and affect all Asian communities including Indians, 1,200 extra police officers were posted on the streets of London. Prime minister David Cameron called for calm saying the incident in Woolwich "has sickened us all".

"The people who did this were trying to divide us. They should know: something like this will only bring us together and make us stronger," Cameron said, adding that the attack wasn't just against Britain but against Islam as well."This was not just an attack on Britain and on our British way of life. It was also a betrayal of Islam - and of Muslim communities who give so much to our country. There's nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act. We will defeat violent extremism by standing together," Cameron said.

"Terrorism that has taken more Muslim lives than any other religion. It is an utter perversion of the truth to pretend anything different. That is why there is absolutely no justification for these acts and the fault for them lies solely and purely with the sickening individuals who carried out this appalling attack," he said.Cameron then visited Woolwich and met leaders of different communities including Sikhs. The two suspects were known to Britain's intelligence agency MI5. One of the two was named as 28-year-old Michael Adeboloja.

Adebolajo is said to have joined the banned Islamist organisation Al Muhajiroun, which promotes Sharia law. He was stopped by intelligence agencies earlier on his way to join the militant Islamist group Al Shabaab in Somalia last year.What has shocked most people is the brashness with which Adeboloja killed the soldier after hitting him with his car and then hacking him and beheading him. Britain's defence ministry named the victim on Wednesday evening as drummer Lee Rigby of 2nd Battalion, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.

Talking to passerbys with blood dripping from his hands, Adeboloja said, "It was an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." He hacked his victim shouting 'Allah-u Akbar', meaning 'God is great'.In a chilling rant captured on camera, the knife-wielding Adeboloja then said, "The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. Remove your governments, they don't care about you. You think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start bursting our guns? You think politicians are going to die? Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace."

Police investigating the attack have been searching an address in Greenwich and another in Lincolnshire, believed to be connected to Adeboloja. Four people have been picked up for questioned, three of them being women.Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command and MI5 are trying to determine whether this could be part of a more orchestrated campaign. The Muslim Council of Britain said the murder was "a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly".

 

[JBH22]

Talking to passerbys with blood dripping from his hands, Adeboloja said, "It was an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." He hacked his victim shouting 'Allah-u Akbar', meaning 'God is great'.In a chilling rant captured on camera, the knife-wielding Adeboloja then said, "The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. Remove your governments, they don't care about you. You think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start bursting our guns? You think politicians are going to die? Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace."

Seems that we heard these threats viz Indians for Kashmir, kutte bhauke hazaar hathi chaale bazaar.

 

[IBSA]

Islamic boarding school fire in Bromley treated as suspicious by police
Two people treated for smoke inhalation after fire at Darul Uloom school, amid ongoing fears of reprisals for Woolwich murder

Matthew Weaver
The Guardian, Sunday 9 June 2013 13.00 BST

The fire at the Darul Uloom school comes less than a week after a blaze destroyed the Bravanese Islamic centre in Muswell Hill, north London (above). Photograph: Getty Images
Police are investigating a fire started by intruders at an Islamic boarding school on the south-east outskirts of London as suspicious, amid continuing fears of reprisals after the Woolwich murder of Drummer Lee Rigby.

Two boys were treated for smoke inhalation after fire broke out at the Darul Uloom Islamic school in Chislehurst, Kent, on Saturday night.

Saiyed Mahmood, an adviser to the school, said: "The academic department of the school was set alight just before midnight by intruders." Speaking to reporters outside the school he urged the community to come together to help police trace the culprits.

No arrests have been made as police continue to investigate. A Metropolitan police spokesman said: "It is suspicious."

In a statement the police urged the public to remain calm and not to speculate on the cause of the fire. It said extra police had been deployed to other "potentially vulnerable" buildings in the area. It but did not elaborate.

The emergency services were called to the school just before midnight and the fire was put out within an hour.

The London Fire Brigade said there was heavy smoke throughout the building, but little damage was caused to the structure of the 1980s three-storey boys' school.

All 128 pupils and staff were evacuated on Saturday before four fire crews arrived. By Sunday morning pupils were allowed to return.

Mahmood said: "The parents should rest assured that the students are safe and have been well looked after. Initially the staff extinguished the fire and evacuated the students to safety.

"Two boys suffered smoke inhalation injuries, but they are recovering."

Darul Uloom Islamic school is about six miles (10 kilometers) from Woolwich, where Rigby was killed last month.

An unnamed uncle of a 13-year-old pupil at the school said: "I'm really worried about it, because I've been living here for the past 40 years and we've never had anything like this." Speaking to Sky News, he added: "We are not free at the moment."

The school was established in 1988. Its website says it aims to "prepare Muslim students to be good Muslims and responsible citizens; to embed in the student a sense of discipline; to enable them to grow up to become upright, respectable and worthy citizens of their respective countries."

Mahmood added: "The school is open to anyone who wishes to have a better understanding of what we teach. We are part of the British community and are deeply saddened by the events that have taken place and urge the community to stay firm and united in bringing the people responsible to justice. The community at large have to come together for a safe a peaceful life in Britain." the

Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police chief commissioner, said: "These are difficult times for London's communities. The Met is now investigating suspicious fires at two locations within the Islamic community which have happened in the past few days. Fortunately no one has been hurt, but we know that fires can often prove fatal.

"So I want to reassure people that we are using our full range of policing tactics to protect sites that might be vulnerable. In all boroughs across London, there is an increased police presence around locations that might be at risk. We will maintain a 24/7 guard of uniformed officers at sites we consider to be at greatest risk.

"Detectives are working tirelessly to establish whether these fires were started deliberately, and if so, to catch those responsible.

"We should not allow the murder of Lee Rigby to come between Londoners. The unified response we have seen to his death across all communities will triumph over those who seek to divide us."

The fire at the school comes as police continue to investigate a fire that destroyed an Islamic centre in Muswell Hill, north London. Graffiti linked to the far-right group the English Defence League was found on the outside of the building. The far-right group denies involvement.

Faith Matters, a group that monitors anti-Muslim hatred, has reported a sharp increase in incidents, including attacks on 11 mosques, since Rigby was killed.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Any updates on this front ?