Small arms of India

[Panjab47]

@Anupu for what situation, please clarify.

For ccw aforementioned 38 snub nose with 125 or 158gr bullet is nice.

For home defense, it depends on where you live & local laws/restrictions.

People usually recommend a shot gun or revolver, due to ease of use & lower chance of over Penetration.

A 22rifle with 30rd mag can also work in a pinch.

The best gun is the one you practice with.

 

[tharun]

.22 is not much as a stopping power unless, You modify those .22 as hollow points ..

7 meters range
What if bad guy is beyond 7 meters........

 

[tharun]

What is the cost of all hand guns and assault rifles made by OFB?

 

[guru-dutt]

.22 is not much as a stopping power unless, You modify those .22 as hollow points ..

so its like a having the power .22 airgun (charre waalee) with 8 chambers lol isse to kutta bhee nahee marega

 

[spikey360]

Hindus would be safe that day when every household would have a INSAS/Kalashnikov, yet they would know that they would never have to use it.

 

[spikey360]

What would be a sensible small arms according to you guys? Could you give a few examples

Glock pistol

Desert Eagle

Grach

 

[Panjab47]

@spikey360 all of those are too big to conceal easily.

Mostly people carry compact / sub compact pistol or revolver.

Pistol with 8 round is Imo worse than revolver with 5/6 simply because of added weight, less reliability & harder to carry extra ammo.

None of those especially desert eagle can be reliably concealed. He's in USA guns are cheap, better for him to:

Get snub nose revolver & get carbine in same caliber for home defense. Cheaper ammo & training cost.

Both plus ammo for 38spc can be under 500usd.
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If he's inexperienced can easily jam pistol in tense situation, revolver will go bang always. Read the snub nose site basically he says:

For its size, it has most power (158gr)
Pistol relies on strong grip to eject
Hence for beginner revolver better
Rifle/carbine easier than handgun
Revolver simple, no slide, safety etc.

Remember always :

Assume a gun is loaded
Never point at you don't want to shoot
Be aware of what's behind target
Always check gun empty (rack slide)

What state you in will find something.

 

[Panjab47]

@guru-dutt no, a gas pistol with 6mm metal bb & 500 fps is not more than 20ftlb force.

22lr is 120-150,this will probably put out at least 80 . Cheap pos & yeah may not even kill dog

38spc or 44spc in 2" barrel is 3-400ftlb xD
Heard 357 in snub kicks too hard, 44less.

 

[Panjab47]

http://www.snubnose.info/docs/point_shooting.htm

Check that out, that's why they're still around. More accurate in quick shooting,

 

[spikey360]

@spikey360 all of those are too big to conceal easily.

Mostly people carry compact / sub compact pistol or revolver.

Pistol with 8 round is Imo worse than revolver with 5/6 simply because of added weight, less reliability & harder to carry extra ammo.

None of those especially desert eagle can be reliably concealed. He's in USA guns are cheap, better for him to:

Get snub nose revolver & get carbine in same caliber for home defense. Cheaper ammo & training cost.

Both plus ammo for 38spc can be under 500usd.
--
If he's inexperienced can easily jam pistol in tense situation, revolver will go bang always. Read the snub nose site basically he says:

For its size, it has most power (158gr)
Pistol relies on strong grip to eject
Hence for beginner revolver better
Rifle/carbine easier than handgun
Revolver simple, no slide, safety etc.

Remember always :

Assume a gun is loaded
Never point at you don't want to shoot
Be aware of what's behind target
Always check gun empty (rack slide)

What state you in will find something.

Agree with the jam aspect. As for concealment, as long as it is legal, I do not see a reason for concealment. If anything, it would act as a deterrent.


Would be a great day when anyone with a fit mental certificate would be able to buy these sort of guns over the counter. Even MG supported the right to bear arms, for his sake, at least gun laws should be repealed.

 

[spikey360]

http://www.snubnose.info/docs/point_shooting.htm

Check that out, that's why they're still around. More accurate in quick shooting,

Nidar is sort of snub nose, isn't it?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Suits perfectly ..

so its like a having the power .22 airgun (charre waalee) with 8 chambers lol isse to kutta bhee nahee marega

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For Urban area, Self defense - close quarters ..

7 meters range
What if bad guy is beyond 7 meters........

Nidar is sort of snub nose, isn't it?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The cheapest is 35,000, Unfortunately the rise in price is due to lack of private players ..

What is the cost of all hand guns and assault rifles made by OFB?

 

[Bornubus]

What is the cost of all hand guns and assault rifles made by OFB?

Assault Rifles are prohibited for civilians, licences are issued by states for .315 Bolt action rifle,12 Gauge and .32 Revolver/Pistol.

12 gauge - 20 - 30k depending of model.A newer pump action is also available,I don't know its cost.

.315 - Around 55,000

.32 - 60,000 ~


Also, the civilians ammo are without metal jacket.

 

[Mark Antony]

If you surf across the internet looking for the worst rifle ever, INSAS most often comes up as the most voted rifle for that unenviable title. Most veterans who have used in COIN or other ops agree with its notoriety. INSAS represents the worst of Indian craftsmanship and engineering. We should just forget it as a bad dream and abandon it quickly. Any new rifle evolved from the shit INSAS platform, like Exacalibur, would be nothing more than recycled shit. We should quickly move on to a new platform, FN SCAR H or IMI Tavor 21 would be most likely and ideal replacements. Heck if we really have to have an indigenous rifle, lets create a world class one by involving private and foreign players and chamber it in a revolutionary round like the 6.5x39 Grendel. That should redeem some pride of Indian engineering much maligned by the sheer embarrassment that INSAS is.

 

[abingdonboy]

If you surf across the internet looking for the worst rifle ever, INSAS most often comes up as the most voted rifle for that unenviable title. Most veterans who have used in COIN or other ops agree with its notoriety. INSAS represents the worst of Indian craftsmanship and engineering. We should just forget it as a bad dream and abandon it quickly. Any new rifle evolved from the shit INSAS platform, like Exacalibur, would be nothing more than recycled shit. We should quickly move on to a new platform, FN SCAR H or IMI Tavor 21 would be most likely and ideal replacements. Heck if we really have to have an indigenous rifle, lets create a world class one by involving private and foreign players and chamber it in a revolutionary round like the 6.5x39 Grendel. That should redeem some pride of Indian engineering much maligned by the sheer embarrassment that INSAS is.

-INSAS was never meant for COIN duties because of its calibre so very few vetrans would complain about that aspect. It's like the BS article from "war is boring" saying "India's soldiers hate their counter insurgency rifle" or something in relation to the INSAS
-Forgeting the INSAS as a "bad dream" when it has served in the IA,IAF,IN,CAPFs and many in between for over 2 decades now, has been churned out in the millions and has been used in every enviroment India has to offer from the heights of Siachin to the Jungles of Mizoram and the deserts of Thar.
-Most of the "issues" with the INSAS relate back to early issues encountered in the late 90s, they have long since been rectified.


The INSAS is a sucess story, no matter how one tries to defame it.

 

[kr9]

If you surf across the internet looking for the worst rifle ever, INSAS most often comes up as the most voted rifle for that unenviable title. Most veterans who have used in COIN or other ops agree with its notoriety. INSAS represents the worst of Indian craftsmanship and engineering. We should just forget it as a bad dream and abandon it quickly. Any new rifle evolved from the shit INSAS platform, like Exacalibur, would be nothing more than recycled shit. We should quickly move on to a new platform, FN SCAR H or IMI Tavor 21 would be most likely and ideal replacements. Heck if we really have to have an indigenous rifle, lets create a world class one by involving private and foreign players and chamber it in a revolutionary round like the 6.5x39 Grendel. That should redeem some pride of Indian engineering much maligned by the sheer embarrassment that INSAS is.

Our SFs and elite units also use INSAS. And that is considering the wide range of other rifles available to them.
And if INSAS is good enough by choice.......that is all that matters.

 

[abingdonboy]

Our SFs and elite units also use INSAS. And that is considering the wide range of other rifles available to them.
And if INSAS is good enough by choice.......that is all that matters.

None of the SFs in India use the INSAS anymore but that makes sense, the INSAS was meant to be a standard issue rifle for the entire military, not a specialist rifle for Spec Ops. Even US SFs don'tuse American weapons.

 

[tharun]

Worst thing is still we import third grade AK's from abroad...when will these DRDO"s OFB's make things..........

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Couple of things need to be clear, INSAS is the family of firearms, You are talking abt 1B1 ..

I got to hear this alot, Does because its western and foreign means better ??, I am not sure all those shining looking rifle have what use in battle ..

All Western Rifles competing to replace 1B1 failed in trails in India during joint trails 2012 and 2014.

And i have used all three version of 1B1 INSAS in IA, Tell me more that i don`t know abt ..

If you surf across the internet looking for the worst rifle ever, INSAS most often comes up as the most voted rifle for that unenviable title. Most veterans who have used in COIN or other ops agree with its notoriety. INSAS represents the worst of Indian craftsmanship and engineering. We should just forget it as a bad dream and abandon it quickly. Any new rifle evolved from the shit INSAS platform, like Exacalibur, would be nothing more than recycled shit. We should quickly move on to a new platform, FN SCAR H or IMI Tavor 21 would be most likely and ideal replacements. Heck if we really have to have an indigenous rifle, lets create a world class one by involving private and foreign players and chamber it in a revolutionary round like the 6.5x39 Grendel. That should redeem some pride of Indian engineering much maligned by the sheer embarrassment that INSAS is.