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In that sense, Yes it is a good Idea ..




Exactly these sort of modifications I was talking about!!How much would it cost,the modification is mostly cosmetic for better ergonomics,how much could such a modification have costed??Definitely far less that importing a new Dragunov SVD.All the OFB needed was a little bit of far sight and common sense.Too bad that common sense is not so common in our country after all. :(
 

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Exactly these sort of modifications I was talking about!!How much would it cost,the modification is mostly cosmetic for better ergonomics,how much could such a modification have costed??Definitely far less that importing a new Dragunov SVD.All the OFB needed was a little bit of far sight and common sense.Too bad that common sense is not so common in our country after all. :(
Dragnov's are Made locally as per wiki.
 

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Its a pity that a person who knows much about sniper rifles doesnt knew about the price of quad rails,adjustable buttstocks,scopes or bipods which amounts to more than thhe price of a rifle.:p
 

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Its a pity that a person who knows much about sniper rifles doesnt knew about the price of quad rails,adjustable buttstocks,scopes or bipods which amounts to more than thhe price of a rifle.:p
If you buy them from abroad,then yes.But if you produce them at home in bulk,the price will definitely come down.Besides,there is not much need of the frontal quad rails for a DMR and an adjustable butt stock.A cheek rest and an continuous long quad rail on the dust cover should suffice for Indian Army's needs.

By the way,I never claim to be a gunsmith or something,just pointing out few of the 'gaps' in your comment which I felt was misleading.Sorry if I hurt your feelings somehow,that was never my intent,I would be last one to be wanting to hurt a fellow Indian over such petty issues.Peace. :)
 

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All SVDs and other Sniper grade rifle are imported including the optics ..

Ammunition is limited, In hands of RR the ammunition are captured from terrorists ..

Dragnov's are Made locally as per wiki.
You sure about that?? @Kunal Biswas sir,can you confirm please??
But anyway,the ammo has to be imported,so it wouldn't matter much.
 
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Actually the up-gradation must be given to Pvt sector, This includes 1B1, LMG and SLR so does SVD ..

Exactly these sort of modifications I was talking about!!How much would it cost,the modification is mostly cosmetic for better ergonomics,how much could such a modification have costed??Definitely far less that importing a new Dragunov SVD.All the OFB needed was a little bit of far sight and common sense.Too bad that common sense is not so common in our country after all. :(
 

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Actually the up-gradation must be given to Pvt sector, This includes 1B1, LMG and SLR so does SVD ..
But the OFB should have taken a proactive approach rather than sitting upon the design for all this time.Even the design is not theirs!!so what are they here for if they can neither design a firearm nor upgrade it ??
 

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OFB took the measure long ago, It was Excalibur ( 2006-7 ) Cleared its tests and was successful in Field, But for unknown reason was rejected mostly because large kick back procurement of foreign rifles since 2006 ..

The same firearm is now being inducted when famed foreign rifles failed in our environment , The results and action are only took under the present government ..

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About the bold part, Since 40s their are no firearm had indigenous design but rather mix of many mostly inherited ..

But the OFB should have taken a proactive approach rather than sitting upon the design for all this time.Even the design is not theirs!!so what are they here for if they can neither design a firearm nor upgrade it ??
 

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OFB took the measure long ago, It was Excalibur ( 2006-7 ) Cleared its tests and was successful in Field, But for unknown reason was rejected mostly because large kick back procurement of foreign rifles since 2006 ..

The same firearm is now being inducted when famed foreign rifles failed in our environment , The results and action are only took under the present government ..

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About the bold part, Since 40s their are no firearm had indigenous design but rather mix of many mostly inherited ..

By not theirs,I meant that the INSAS was designed and developed by the ARDE,not the OFB.

And may be the reason behind the rejection of Excalibur was more to do with its shorter barrel length rather than any kick backs.And the foreign rifles failing in Indian environment is nothing unusual.Those guns were never designed to be operated in such weather conditions and therefore they had no chance from the very beginning what so ever.
 
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Excalibur was a OFB design ( Modified 1B1 ) and was made via different partners just like 1B1, It is available in both 18inch and 16inch barrel respectively and twist rate is same for both ..

Their is a large population of Indian would disagree with our view, Previously as their mindset is anything zig zag zling bling made by foreign famed will greased off any Third world **** Indian Rifle .. ;)

By not theirs,I meant that the INSAS was designed and developed by the ARDE,not the OFB.

And may be the reason behind the rejection of Excalibur was more to do with its shorter barrel length rather than any kick backs.And the foreign rifles failing in Indian environment is nothing unusual.Those guns were never designed to be operated in such weather conditions and therefore they had no chance from the very beginning what so ever.
 

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Excalibur was a OFB design ( Modified 1B1 ) and was made via different partners just like 1B1, It is available in both 18inch and 16inch barrel respectively and twist rate is same for both ..
I see.Then there is not much of a reason I can come up with .

Their is a large population of Indian would disagree with our view, Previously as their mindset is anything zig zag zling bling made by foreign famed will greased off any Third world **** Indian Rifle .. ;)
Yeah,that's true.But not anymore...............not after those cute glossy rifles failing,all three of them!!But I would say that Indian authorities should find a way to give a better finishing job and aesthetics.Like at least chemically blackening those rifle parts instead of using just paints,which wears out quite easily and adding some rail mounts,a chick rest etc,if they want to have some success in export market.
 

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I don't know if agree that the African desert campaign saw the greatest armoured assaults or the greatest tank battles of the Second World War. The greatest tank battle in military history was the Battle of Kursk, which dwarfed any of the the tank battles in North Africa. The Germans regarded the North African campaign as little more than a sideshow to the campaign on their Eastern Front. The editor at The Australian should have brushed up on his military history or perhaps he thought that the North African campaign loomed larger in the popular consciousness of the Australian public.
 
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The Vickers MG was produced in a number of calibres other than .303in. for export. The Vickers was even converted to 7.62mm NATO by the South Africans. It was an effective medium machine gun. One supposedly kept firing in a firing test for 7 days straight without a stoppage.
 
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Devastating in trained hands: The Dragunov sniper rifle
June 30, 2014 Alexander Korolkov, special to RBTH

Snipers are not usually the first association one makes with the Red Army, which was better geared toward vast offensives and tank battles. But there were still plenty of sharpshooters in the Soviet ranks, armed primarily with an unusual rifle that defied the conventions of sniper operation.

In service for 50 years with the Soviet and Russian armies, the Dragunov (Sniperskaya Vintovka Dragunova – SVD) may today be faulted for the limitations of its sights or long range shot deviation.

But a true marksman will have an inherent respect for this veteran design that still bolsters the firepower of 26 countries, and has blazed its deadly trail through most world conflicts since the 1960s.
Like the Kalashnikov assault rifle, the Dragunov was named after its inventor. While broadly classed as a sniper's weapon, it was meant to increase the effective firing range of a motorized rifle detachment to 600 meters (656 yards), extending the 400-meter (437-yard) reach of the AK47.

ts designers were, however, pulled in two directions. While the weapon had to provide a high degree of accuracy, it needed to be reliable and robust enough for field conditions. The resulting cruder assembly of the SVD's parts came at the expense of shooting precision.

Intended for use not by professional sharpshooters but by 18-year-old conscripts fresh out of school, it also had to be semi-automatic, offer a decent rate of fire, and be easy to use.
It was Yevgeny Dragunov, a specialist in sports weapons from a long family line of gunsmiths, who won the design competition, beating out Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK47-based model

The SVD was one of the first purpose-built sniping weapons, incorporating revolutionary features like a sports rifle buttstock fitted with a pistol grip, a detachable cheek rest, a PSO-1 reticule optical sight with side-scales for adjusting range and elevation, and an extendable scope shade and light filter. And as an infantry weapon, the rifle also came with a bayonet.

As well as being highly accurate, the rifle had a light and compact configuration, was capable of semi-automatic firing and operated well in any climatic conditions.

Compared with conventional bolt-action sniper rifles that might manage five aimed shots a minute, the SVD could fire up to six times more. It uses specially made steel core bullets but can take the entire range of Soviet/Russian 7.62x54 mm cartridges.


All in all, it was a top performer with a reputation to match.

"In all my time in Chechnya I never heard anyone speak badly of the SVD," says Andrei Mashukov, a former combatant in the Caucasus. "A marksman could easily pick off an enemy on a hillside 700 meters away with a Dragunov."

The SVD also "enjoyed a certain amount of mystique with U.S. buyers, due to its styling and relative rareness in the country," the U.S. website Guns Holsters and Gear wrote on the rifle's 50th anniversary.
But rare as the SVD is in the United States, it is well known to U.S. troops serving in conflict zones overseas.

In Afghanistan, the Dragunov helped save the day on October 3, 2009, when U.S. Staff Sergeant Clinton Romesha picked up a rifle that had been dropped by an Afghan soldier during an attack by some 300 Taliban insurgents in Nuristan Province.

Through a combination of training, courage and the SVD's high sighting range and rate of fire, Romesha took out an enemy sniper and a machine-gun position and then three more fighters who had infiltrated the U.S. positions. He was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions.

In trained hands, the SVD can be devastating for aircraft too. In 1989, a guerrilla fighter in the civil war in El Salvador used one to bring down a government Cessna jet attack aircraft by killing the pilot.

The need for sniper capacity among infantry units prompted the Pentagon to develop an equivalent, the M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System (SASS). Built 44 years later, it has numerous technical advantages, including improved optics. But overall, the accuracy is almost the same as the SVD and the M110 is even inferior in some characteristics.

But the Dragunov has not rested on its laurels. A shorter folding SVD was issued to Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s. In the early 1990s a faster loading version of the SVD was produced and issued mainly to Russian interior ministry forces. And in 2006, the Russian Army adopted the 9 mm SVDK semi-automatic sniper rifle.

Today, Yevgeny Dragunov's son Alexei continues the work of the family dynasty. He believes sniper rifle development now will tend not toward range and caliber but rate of fire and loading efficiency.

"Automatic loading gives the SVD the edge, maintaining its popularity in the military through close-range fighting capacity," he says.

Devastating in trained hands: The Dragunov sniper rifle | Russia Beyond The Headlines
 

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Well, when I had to use a grenade, which admittedly wasn't often, we were trained to use the lemon-shaped M26 HE hand grenade. This was the standard hand grenade for the Australian army until the F1 grenade, which is a locally designed and produced product. The M26 was an American grenade made under licence in Australia and it looked like this:



The No. 36 HE grenade weighed in at 765 g (1 lb 11 oz.) while the M26 was 454 g exactly (exactly 1 lb). The current Australian standard hand grenade the F1 weighs only 375 g (approx. 13.23 oz.). Presumably, the No. 36 HE was made under licence in India and Pakistan, or was it?
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A lethal radius of 6 metres (6.6 yd), casualty radius of 15 metres (16 yd) and a safety radius of 30 metres (33 yd).

No 36 HE

This is an anti-personnel ammunition of fragmentation type, generally hand thrown. However, it can also be projected from a Rifle 7.62 mm 1A1 fitted with projector grenade 7.62 mm 1A using Cartridge SA, rifle grenade 7.62 mm HD. (TUBE LAUNCHING).

The grenade has a range of 23 to 27 metres when hurled manually and an increased range of 183 metres when fired form a 7.62 mm rifle. It explodes into 40 to 60 fragments, killing and maiming the enemy within an effective radius of 27.5 mts.
 

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Sir, Such firearms are being distributed among platoon and Squad size force, But majority i have seen, Use 1B1 with scope than rare SVDs, I have seen these are under usage of RR, I cannot say the same about every other unit in Army as of now ..



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SVD is a DMR indeed, But is also used as a sniper rifle with snipers teams within regular Infantry units, SF gear is different from regulars ..

SLR was used as a DMR when SLR was also the AR for Infantry, Now 1B1 ( INSAS is family of firearm ) is the AR of the Infantry and Its accuracy with provided scope makes its a suitable DMR, Commonality of ammunition and spare is important ..
I do not understand the acronyms.

What is DMR and AR?

I have the GS publication of Glossary of Military Terms, but these are not mentioned.
 

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