Small arms of India

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    Here we will find out the capabilities of side arms of Indian Army.
    The list of side arms provided in our Army are as follows:-

    Name Type Caliber Origin
    Pistol AUTO 9 mm 1A Semi-automatic pistol 9mm Parabellum Canada

    Glock 17 Semi-automatic pistol 9×19mm Parabellum Austria
    Beretta 92 Semi-automatic pistol 9mm Parabellum Italy
    SIG Sauer P226 Semi-automatic pistol 9mm Parabellum Germany and Switzerland

    Going for the 1st one":-

    1) Pistol Auto 9mm 1A"- (also known as browwning high power)

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    The Browning Hi-Power is a single-action, 9mm semi-automatic handgun. It is based on a design by American firearms inventor John Browning, and completed by Dieudonné Saive at Fabrique Nationale (FN) of Herstal, Belgium. Browning died in 1926, several years before the design was finalized. The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time,[3] having been used by the armed forces of over 50 countries.[1]
    The Hi-Power name alluded to the 13-round magazine capacity; almost twice that of contemporary designs such as the Luger or Mauser 1910. The pistol is often referred to as an HP (for "Hi-Power" or "High-Power")[4] or as a GP (for the French term, "Grande Puissance"). The term P-35 is also used, based on the introduction of the pistol in 1935. It is most often called the "Hi-Power", even in Belgium. It is also known as the BAP (Browning Automatic Pistol), particularly in Irish service.
    Produced locally by Indian Ordnance Factory/Ishapore Arms using stamping dies from the former John Inglis manufacturing facility in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

    Design:-
    The Browning Hi-Power has undergone continuous refinement by FN since its introduction. The pistols were originally made in two models: an "Ordinary Model" with fixed sights and an "Adjustable Rear Sight Model" with a tangent-type rear sight and a slotted grip for attaching a wooden shoulder stock. The adjustable sights are still available on commercial versions of the Hi-Power, although the shoulder stock mounts were discontinued during World War II. In 1962, the design was modified to replace the internal extractor with an external extractor, improving reliability.
    Standard Hi-Powers are based on a single-action design. Unlike modern double-action semi-automatic pistols, the Hi-Power's trigger is not connected to the hammer. If a double-action pistol is carried with the hammer down with a round in the chamber and a loaded magazine installed, the shooter may fire the pistol by simply pulling the trigger so long as the slide was previously cocked, or by pulling the hammer back and pulling the trigger. In contrast, a single-action pistol must be cocked manually before the first shot, by pulling the slide to the rear and releasing it. In common with the M1911, the Hi-Power is therefore typically carried with the hammer cocked and the safety catch on (a carry mode often called cocked and locked in the USA or "made ready" in the UK, or sometimes called condition one).
    The Hi-Power, like many other Browning designs, operates on the short-recoil principle, where the barrel and slide initially recoil together until the barrel is unlocked from the slide by a cam arrangement. Unlike Browning's earlier Colt M1911 pistol, the barrel is not moved vertically by a toggling link, but instead by a hardened bar which crosses the frame under the barrel and contacts a slot under the chamber, at the rearmost part of the barrel. The barrel and slide recoil together for a short distance but, as the slot engages the bar, the chamber and the rear of the barrel are drawn downward and stopped. The downward movement of the barrel disengages it from the slide, which continues rearward, extracting the spent case from the chamber and ejecting it. After the slide reaches the limit of its travel, the recoil spring brings it forward again, stripping a new round from the magazine and pushing it into the chamber. This also pushes the chamber and barrel forward. The cam slot and bar move the chamber upward and the locking lugs on the barrel reengage those in the slide.
    The Hi-Power has two flaws: The standard trigger pull is heavy, especially for a single-action pistol. This disadvantage is a consequence of the Hi-Power's magazine safety design, which was initially added to the model to meet the requirements of the French military in 1935. The standard Hi-Power magazine safety is connected to the trigger and is released by a plunger pressing on the surface of the magazine. This action of the plunger on the magazine adds tension to the trigger pull, and the required force to operate this feature adds resistance as well.[7] This problem is often resolved by removing the magazine safety entirely, thus voiding the pistol's warranty, or by polishing the interface surfaces between the safety plunger and the magazine.[8] After-market trigger springs with reduced tension are also available to improve the trigger pull.
    In addition, the pistol has a tendency to "bite" the web of the shooter's hand, between the thumb and forefinger. This bite is caused by pressure from the hammer spur, or alternatively, by pinching between the hammer shank and grip tang. Many HP owners fix this problem by altering or replacing the hammer, or by learning to hold the pistol to avoid injury. While a common complaint with the commercial models with spur hammers similar to that of the Colt "Government Model" automatic, it is seldom a problem with the military models, which have a smaller, rounded "burr" hammer, more like that of the Colt "Commander" compact version of the 1911.
    Nevertheless, its ability to hold 13 rounds of ammunition, nearly double that of the Colt M1911 made it very desirable as a military-issue pistol.
    Military Use:
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    Browning Hi-Power pistols were used during World War II by both Allied and Axis forces. After occupying Belgium in 1940, German forces took over the FN plant. German troops subsequently used the Hi-Power, having assigned it the designation Pistole 640(b) ("b" for belgisch, "Belgian"). Examples produced by FN in Belgium under German occupation bear German inspection and acceptance marks, or Waffenamts, such as WaA613. In German service, it was used mainly by Waffen-SS and Fallschirmjäger personnel.
    High-Power pistols were also produced in Canada for Allied use, by John Inglis and Company in Toronto. The plans were sent from the FN factory to Britain when it became clear the Belgian plant would fall into German hands, enabling the Inglis factory to be tooled up for Hi-Power production for Allied use. Inglis produced two versions of the Hi-Power, one with an adjustable rear sight and detachable shoulder stock (primarily for a Nationalist Chinese contract) and one with a fixed rear sight. Production began in the Fall of 1944 and they were on issue by the March 1945 Operation Varsity airborne crossing of the Rhine into Germany. The pistol was popular with the British airborne forces as well as covert operations and commando groups such as the Special Operations Executive (SOE), the U.S. Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the British Special Air Service (SAS) Regiment. Inglis High-Powers made for Commonwealth forces have the British designation 'Mk 1', or 'Mk 1*' and the manufacturer's details on the left of the slide. They were known in British and Commonwealth service as the 'Pistol No 2 Mk 1', or 'Pistol No 2 Mk 1*' where applicable. Serial numbers were 6 characters, the second being the letter 'T', e.g. 1T2345. Serial numbers on the for the Chinese contract instead used the letters 'CH', but otherwise followed the same format. When the Chinese contract was cancelled, all undelivered Chinese-style pistols were accepted by the Canadian military with designations of 'Pistol No 1 Mk 1' and 'Pistol No 1 Mk 1*'.[9]
    In the post-war period, Hi-Power production continued at the FN factory and, as part of FN's marketing and product line-up (which also included the FN FAL rifle and FN MAG general purpose machine gun), it was adopted as the standard service pistol by over 50 armies (93 nations). At one time most NATO nations used it, and it was standard issue to forces throughout the British Commonwealth. It was manufactured under licence, or in some cases cloned, on several continents. Former Iraqi ruler Saddam Hussein often carried a Browning Hi-Power. Former Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi carried a gold-plated Hi-Power with his own face on the design of the grips which was waved around in the air by Libyan rebels after his death.[10]
    While the Hi-Power remains an excellent design, since the early 1990s it has been eclipsed somewhat by more modern designs which are often double action and are manufactured using more modern methods. However, it remains in service throughout the world. As of 2007, the MK1 version remains the standard service pistol of the Canadian Forces, with the SIG P226 being issued to specialized units along with the Sig Sauer P225. The weapon is the standard sidearm of the Belgian Army, Indian Army, Indonesian Armed Forces, Australian Defence Force, Argentine Army, Luxembourg Army, Israel Police, Singapore Armed Forces and Venezuelan Army, among others. The Irish Army replaced its Browning Pistols (known popularly as BAPs, or Browning Automatic Pistols) with the H&K USP automatic in 2007. From 2013 the British Army is replacing the Browning with the polymer-framed Glock 17 Gen 4 pistol, due to concerns about weight and the external safety of the pistol.[11]
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    I didnt found enough details on this gun and its use in Indian Army. I request thw senior members and veterans enlighten us on BHP (Browning High Power)
     
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    Courtesy:- Wikipidia
     
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    Browning High power is made by famous FN of Herstal Belgium. We have seen FN FAL from them, one of the best Battle Rifle. Can we say that Browning High Power is one of the best Side arm for the army? What the experts say in this regard sir?
    This is the website of FN. http://www.fnherstal.com/primary-menu/products-capabilities/handguns.html
     
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    mate i don't know whether Browning High Power is the best side-arm or not for the Indian armed forces but i can tell you one thing which is its very popular among the security forces because of its lack of maintainence and reliable feature.i found an interesting article about the Browning
     
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    Nice find mate. It is really a low maintenance gun. It is popular in our police forces also.
    I found this testimonials from this website:-http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/1960-browning-hi-power-9mm
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    dochudon, Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:19:56 UTC.

    I started out with revolvers wouldn't carry an auto cause I tried a Beretta and I couldn't hit nothing with it. I can drive nails with my .357. I had spent all day at the range and a friend of mine had an FM Hi Power so I tried it he only had six rounds left I rapid fired all six in the 10 ring. It just felt right, so I bought one for $250.00, carried it for years. Then I traded it in for a Belgian Made Browning Hi Power because it had a much more user friendly safety and it was ambidextrous.
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    Anonymous, Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:47:12 UTC.

    Love the weapon but I dont like carring this cocked n locked as it does not have a grip safety. I feel like the safety could be bumped off too easy.
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    prolibertate, Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:05:36 UTC.

    I bought my first and only in Belgium in 1967 for $68 at the factory...all SF personell assigned to the 10th Group carried them because of the ease of finding 9mm ammo as compared to .45, plus they were lighter and carried more rounds. I kept it all the way through my SF time, then started using it as an off-duty gun because when I started with Metro, revolvers were used by uniform and DB. After I got to DB, the county lightned up and started allowing DB's to use automatics and I started carring my old Browning again on-duty...I still have it, though while down there, I changed over to a Colt .45 and used it because of the knock down that the 9mm didn't have. Do I like it...absolutely...you've got to remember, it was the basic design that all blow back automatics used for a century...never jamed, regardless of the type of ammo used...just a good solid all around pistol...and carried it condition 3 all the time and NEVER had the safety accidently disengage, un-like my Colt!!
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    bruce2110, Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:24:38 UTC.

    the hi-power is an awesome waepon...it was one of the last of John Browning's weapon designs and it has the distinction of being used by BOTH sides during WWII...british and germans both carried it...my on problem with the Hi-Power is that with Very Large hands like i have the grips are WAY TOO SMALL!! but it still has my vote as a tack driving waepon of excellent design and practicality!!!
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    hbg522, Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:55:11 UTC.

    i actually fired one of these yesterday and bought it today. not a bad handgun. heavy for sure and not to happy with the safety but it fires aweful smooth. not a glock but a descent handgun.
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    protectangelgirl, Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:21:40 UTC.

    I believe every woman should learn how to operate one of these and own one. For protection --ONLY!
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    Anonymous, Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:49:07 UTC.

    I have an old one made in 1938 it still is is a great feeling gun I have replaced the barrel and the ejector is worn and needs to be replaced but as many rounds as it has had through it it is a good gun, highly recomend for home protection.
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    gpmoraitis, Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:36:26 UTC.

    All in all I'm quite happy with the pistol. For a weapon designed in the early 1900s, I was surprised to see that the MkIII model has a finger-pin block in addition to the half-cock notch, thumb safety and magazine safety. Like most other pistols today it also has a disconnect safety - meaning it won't fire unless it's fully in battery (or close to it) - but Browning doesn't advertise that any more than other manufacturers do.
    One thing I will be changing on the gun... well, two things actually:
    1) I anticipate changing the hammer. While I don't have overlarge or fat hands, I still felt the hammer on every shot. I am going to be seeking out a burr (Commander style) hammer to replace the stock hammer with.
    2) While a fully adjustable rear sight is cool, my usual shooting doesn't require that level of precision; and my usual carry / handle of the weapon has proven to abuse the back sight anyway. I'll be replacing the sights with a set of XS Sights 24/7 Standard Dot sights.
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    Robocop33, Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:48:51 UTC.

    The Hi-Power is a beautifully crafted Semi-Auto and I would be proud to own one. Very accurate and reliable. It is an outdated weapon and lacking in the features required for LE such as it is only single action and no way to carry it cocked safely IMHO. It is also heavy and limited rounds and only a 9mm. This is the reason I ranked it only 3 stars. That all said, as far as a beautiful weapon, I love it and would love to have one as they are a joy to fire.
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    choirboy1112, Thu, 29 May 2008 21:58:24 UTC.

    best single action auto i have ever shot. acurate
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    ctoler, Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:53:40 UTC.

    great pistol! It has a natural feel to it and works great on instinctive shooting!
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    TopRad, Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:59:12 UTC.

    I bought a Hi-Power about 14 years ago, and its mainly my wife's weapon now. She loves it! Even with its double-stack mag, its easy for her small hands to manipulate. We've fired hundreds of rounds without a hiccup. And although it is capable of being carried locked and cocked, I do like the magazine disconnect that makes it unable to fire without the mag installed. The only issue I have with this weapon is the trigger. The trigger on our gun has kinda sharp edges, and after a few mags, it starts to chew into my finger. I'm currently in the process of finding a gunsmith that will smooth the edges of the trigger for me, or even install a wider, more contoured trigger (ala Beretta). Other than that, its a wonderful gun, and my wife wouldn't have any other....at least until I get her to try a SIG!
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    Retleo, Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:07:11 UTC.

    Super shooter, easy to load, point & shoot. A classic auto.
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    rhood, Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:15:42 UTC.

    I love shooting this little beautiful piece of work.
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    cpowell5266, Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:43:44 UTC.

    I have a Browning Hi Power 40 cal. and it is an excellent duty weapon. It could have a bigger magazine capacity, but overall the weapon ,meets all my needs. The action is very good and I bought the gun new.


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    Anonymous, Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:23:13 UTC.

    It's a good weaon, but I have a small grip so I find that my Sig is a better fit and easier to handle. Overall though, a nice pistol.


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    Anonymous, Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:07:19 UTC.

    The Browning Hi-Power was the first handgun that I owned at the age of 21. I still have that old T-series pistol, and now also have a customized Practical. My Hi-Powers have been utterly reliable with all ammo used. They fit my hand perfectly, and point naturally. I have carried one, cocked and locked, for over 40 years as a private security officer or on my concealed handgun license. I have never had a problem with this carry mode. I cannot think of a finer 9mm weapon and still prefer it to the now ubiquitous Glocks.
    There is something aesthetically pleasing about a Hi-Power. No other handgun has the same appeal.
     
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    Seems I need to give calls to the experts,,, @Kunal Biswas dada,,, please come and give your testimonials regarding this gun ,,,I need a users point of view.
     
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    Its a very nice handgun, Very powerful..
     
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    Some of the original Brownings were made in Portugal also. See what i found while studying.
    "Portuguese Hi Powers"
    Hello. I recently read a post in which a fellow referred to the "Portuguese Hi Power", saying that they were "built" in that country. Now and again, I've seen this same thing written about by others. Such claims are simply in error.

    The fact is that no FN or Browning Hi Power has ever been manufactured in Portugal.

    For the last several years, Browning-marked Hi Powers usually have the familiar "Made in Belgium" on them along with "Assembled in Portugal" but so far absolutely none have been made in Portugal. (FWIW, since some may not be aware of it, FN makes the Browning Hi Power. Browning does not make it. Browning has never manufactured a Hi Power. FN (Fabrique Nationale in Belgium makes the Browning Hi Power. Browning is the US importer.)

    Kurt Wickman, who was one of the early 'smiths at Novaks, told me that some of the very best Hi Powers he'd ever seen were early "Assembled in Portugal" guns. When I asked why, he advised that FN sent folks to Portugal to make sure that their tolerances were held. Since I own both early and later-run "Assembled in Portugual Hi Powers", I examined examples of each. I can find no major differences at all! It would appear to me that either the Portuguese assemblers take pride in their work or have their "feet held to the fire" by FN, but I find no consistently measurable differences; the work remains very nice indeed. (As I understand it, the original reason for having the guns assembled there was simply lower labor costs.)

    I shoot a lot of 9mm Hi Powers and have for right at four decades now. In my observation, current guns do not usually have trigger pulls that are either as light or break quite as cleanly as the older guns from the '60's, '70's, and even '80's but they group just as well or better! They definitely feed a much wider variety of blunt-nosed ammunition, ie: JHP's.

    This refinished Mk III has flawlessly fired many, many rounds. It was "Assembled in Portugal". It continues to serve well and function flawlessly. I would trust my life and those of my family to it.

    This is fairly typical of what I expect Hi Power Mk III 9mm pistols to do at about 15 yards. For me, this is accurate enough. These pistols were never intended as Camp Perry match guns. That said, I think that they offer very excellent service accuracy. This gun used to shoot the group in this picture was also assembled in Portugal.

    Some of the T-series Hi Powers had a fine a polished blue as could ever be in my opinion but I am in no way convinced that they grouped any better or were any more reliable than current Hi Powers. I like both the "old classic" Hi Powers and the newer Mk II and Mk III pistols. I actually prefer the Mk III for a heavy-use Hi Power.

    The older guns are getting harder to find to be sure and will only continue to do so. Find 'em while you can and buy them if you want examples of the earlier Hi Powers. I find them as gorgeous a pistol as has ever been made! Having said that, do not think that you have a "second-rate Hi Power" if you happen to have a "C" series, Mk II, Mk III or one of its variants.

    You don't...and it wasn't "made in Portugal"!
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    Sir,sometime in the near future @shom and i will probably get a chance to:D use this beast at the police training academy
     
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    Dont know about its relevancy but I found this while searching. Please give it a look while goin through everyone.
    Havildar Fateh Singh was born on 24th Feb, 1920 in village Karsola, Jind district, Haryana. He was the son of Chaudhary Bharat Singh, a Jat farmer. Havildar Fateh Singh could not get education because there were no schools in his village at that time. Against his father's wishes, he joined the Jat Regiment of the Indian Army on 3rd June, 1939. During World War II he served in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Middle East, Cairo, Java, Sumatra, Burma and Singapore. On his return to India, his battalion, 3 Jat was posted in Jammu & Kashmir. After the 1948 war, Havildar Fateh Singh was given the Hony, rank of Captain for his bravery. He retired from the Army on 3rd June, 1967 and went back to his native village.

    1948 India-Pakistan War: On the night of 13/14 September 1948, an attack was launched by 3 Jat on the Chabutra feature in Zozila Pass area of Jammu & Kashmir. Havildar Fateh Singh was in charge of a platoon of the leading company. The platoon while moving in to attack came under heavy automatic fire from an enemy browning gun. The platoon suffered casualties in both dead and wounded, and Havildar Singh succeeded in leading his platoon to a relatively safer position. But the leading and the rear companies were now pinned down and even the slightest movement resulted in heavy fire. At 1500 hours his Commanding Officer ordered Havildar Fateh Singh to move down to the flat spur to arrange the collection of the wounded and the weapons of the dead. Havildar Singh moved out without hesitation and was hit by a bullet from the enemy browning. He was given up as dead by the rest of his men. But half an hour later, he moved again only to be hit by another bullet in the arm. He lay still and made another bold attempt at 18.30 hours and this time succeeded in reaching the lower slopes. He succeeded in gathering four wounded and eight weapons of the dead. At 1915 hours while attempting to return he was attacked by about 15 enemy soldiers. In spite of being wounded, Havildar Singh protected his post and killed three enemy soldiers by throwing grenades. The rest of the enemy then withdrew.

    Havildar Singh was able to return to his Battalion with the wounded and the weapons, helped by Jem Misri Lal and party. His CO was an eye witness to this whole episode. The bravery, courage, patience and determination displayed by Havildar Fateh Singh in successfully helping and extricating the wounded, in spite of himself being wounded was a unique example of gallantry of the highest order. He was awarded the Maha Vir Chakra (MVC) on 14th September, 1948.
    Courtesy:- Havildar Fateh Singh MVC - Jat Regiment - Indian Army - Maha Vir Chakra - Haryana - India
     
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    PISTOL AUTO 9 mm 1A



    A Personal and special service weapon capable of semi-automatic fire. It is a recoil operated, magazine fed, self-loading pistol in which the breech is positively locked at the moment of firing. It is not fully automatic. The trigger has to be pressed and released for each shot. When all the cartridges have been fired and the magazine is empty, the mechanism is held in the open position by the action of the slide.

    Specification :
    Calibre 9mm
    Weight
    With magazine empty 0.935 kg
    With magazine loaded 1.075 kg
    Length Over all 205 mm
    Barrel length 120 mm
    Magazine Capacity 13 rounds
    Ammunition used Cartridge SA Ball 9 mm MK.2z(Parabellum)
    Rifling 6 grooves, 1 turn in 254 mm, R.H.
    Muzzle Velocity 396.23 m/sec.
    Number of components 54
    Range 50mts
    I got this data from website of rifle factory Ishapore.
     
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    @shom please do write about the FN P90 and FN Five Seven duo used by SPG. I am in love with the pair.

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    I will be posting every small arms used by our Army. If I miss something then all are welcomed to post. Just chiiiillllll,,,,,,
     
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    Pistol Auto 9mm 1A is the only handgun which is manufactured in Indian Ordnance factory. Others are of .32 and .22 caliber which are of no use for the army. That's sad. Our country is not very much developed in side arms.
     
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    Now time for the Best Glock 17.
    GLOCK 17,19 and 26:-
    The Glock pistol, sometimes referred to by the manufacturer as Glock "Safe Action" Pistol, is a series of semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Glock Ges.m.b.H., located in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria. The company's founder, engineer Gaston Glock, had no experience with firearm design or manufacture at the time their first pistol, the Glock 17, was being prototyped. Glock did, however, have extensive experience in advanced synthetic polymers, knowledge of which was instrumental in the company's design of the first successful line of pistols with a polymer frame. Glock introduced ferritic nitrocarburizing into the firearms industry as an anti-corrosion surface treatment for metal gun parts.[5]
    Despite initial resistance from the market to accept a "plastic gun" due to durability and reliability concerns, and fears that the pistol would be "invisible" to metal detectors in airports, Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, commanding 65% of the market share of handguns for United States law enforcement agencies[6] as well as supplying numerous national armed forces and security agencies worldwide. Glocks are also popular weapons amongst civilians for home/self defense and concealed/open carry.
    Design details

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    The Glock 17 is a 9mm short recoil-operated locked breech semi-automatic pistol that uses a modified Browning cam-lock system adapted from the Hi-Power pistol.[28] The firearm's locking mechanism utilizes a linkless, vertically tilting barrel with a rectangular breech that locks into the ejection port cut-out in the slide. During the recoil stroke, the barrel moves rearward initially locked together with the slide approximately 3 mm (0.12 in) until the bullet leaves the barrel and chamber pressure drops to a safe level. A ramped lug extension at the base of the barrel then interacts with a tapered locking block integrated into the frame, forcing the barrel down and unlocking it from the slide. This camming action terminates the barrel's movement while the slide continues back under recoil, extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge casing. The slide's uninterrupted rearward movement and counter-recoil cycle are characteristic of the Browning system.
    9×19mm Parabellum
    The Glock 17 is the original 9×19mm Parabellum model, with a standard magazine capacity of 17 rounds. Several modified versions of the Glock 17 have been introduced.
    The Glock 17C was introduced in 1996 and incorporated slots cut in the barrel and slide to compensate for muzzle rise and recoil. Many other Glock pistols now come with this option, all with a "C" suffix on the slide.
    The Glock 17L was introduced in 1988 and incorporates a longer slide and extended barrel. Initially, the Glock 17L had three holes in the top of the barrel and a corresponding slot in the slide; however, later production pistols lack the holes in the barrel. The Glock 17L is effectively discontinued and replaced by the Glock 34.
    The Glock 17MB is a version with ambidextrous magazine catch. This model, along with the other MB variants, was discontinued upon the introduction of the fourth-generation models, which features a reversible magazine catch.


    The Glock 18, chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum, fitted with a detachable shoulder stock being fired in fully automatic mode
    The Glock 18 is a selective fire variant of the Glock 17, developed at the request of the Austrian counter-terrorist unit EKO Cobra. This machine pistol–class firearm has a lever-type fire-control selector switch, installed on the serrated portion of the rear left side of the slide. With the selector lever in the bottom position, the pistol will shoot fully automatic, and with the selector lever in the top position, the pistol will fire semi-automatically. The firearm is typically used with an extended 33-round capacity magazine, although other magazines from the Glock 17 will function, with available capacities of 10, 17, or 19 rounds. Early Glock 18 models were ported to reduce muzzle rise during automatic fire. Another compensated variant was produced, known as the Glock 18C. It has a keyhole opening cut into the forward portion of the slide, similar to the opening on the Glock long-slide models, although the Glock 18 has a standard-length slide. The keyhole opening provides an area to allow the four, progressively larger (from back to front) compensator cuts machined into the barrel to vent the propellant gases upwards, affording more control over the rapid-firing machine pistol.
    The compensator cuts start about halfway back on the top of the barrel. The two rear cuts are narrower than the two front cuts. The slide is hollowed, or dished-out, in a rectangular pattern between the rear of the ejection port and the rear sight. The rate of fire in fully automatic mode is approximately 1,100–1,200 rounds per minute. Most of the other characteristics are equivalent to the Glock 17, although the slide, frame, and certain fire-control parts of the Glock 18 are not interchangeable with other Glock models.[47][48]


    The compact Glock 19 in 9×19mm Parabellum
    The Glock 19 is effectively a reduced-size Glock 17, called the "Compact" by the manufacturer. It was first produced in 1988, primarily for military and law enforcement. The Glock 19 has a barrel and pistol grip that are shorter by approximately 12 mm (0.5 in) compared to the Glock 17 and uses a magazine with a standard capacity of 15 rounds. The pistol is compatible with factory magazines from the Glock 17 and Glock 18, with available capacities of 10, 17, 19, and 33 rounds. To preserve the operational reliability of the short recoil system, the mass of the slide remains the same as in the Glock 17 from which it is derived. With the exception of the slide, frame, barrel, locking block, recoil spring, guide rod, and slide lock spring, all of the other components are interchangeable between the models 17 and 19.
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    Glock 17 vs. Glock 19 Full Details

    Which gun is better, a full size Glock 17, or the smaller Glock 19? This is a very common question, and like most questions it has more than just one answer. That’s how real life is, it’s not just yes and no, or true and false. It’s always a little more complex than that.
    So first lets look at a few of the features of each side by side.

    Magazine Capacity

    Glock 17 holds 17 – the Glock 17 staggers the bullets in a way that allow you to put an extra 2 bullets in the same clip space. The 9mm Beretta the standard Army issued sidearm holds just 15.

    Glock 19 holds 15 – The glock 19 holds just 15 bullets, but it will just like all the other Glock’s accept magazines from the same caliber weapon. That means you can put a 17 round or even 32 round clip in as well.



    Gun Size
    Glock 17 – 7.32 length, 1.18 width, 4.49 barrel, 5.43 height (all numbers in inches)
    Glock 19 – 6.85 length, 1.18 width, 4.02 barrel, 5.00 height (all numbers in inches)

    So we can see that they are both 1.18 in wide, and the Glock 19 is about 1/2 in (.47 inches) shorter in length, about 1/2 in shorter in the barrel length, and about 1/2 in shorter in height..

    Shorter barrel means less accuracy, but common is a pistol not a rifle right? I’m not sure how much it effects accuracy, I’m not able to tell a difference, but I’m not a marksman and I don’t shoot competitively.

    The big thing here is conceal-ability. Unless you are a very big dude, then the Glock 17 is a little more difficult to conceal. If you are wanting to conceal carry then you are most likely going to want the 19, but as most people say. Make sure you shoot them both. We can pull all the stats in the world and show them to you, but nothing really compares to real life, and at around $500 a pop that’s a expensive mistake, right?

    Some people say the 19 fits better in their hand, some people say the 17 fits better. Some people like the balance of the 19, some like the 17.
    Glock 17 – 22.04 oz w/no magazine (full mag +9.87 oz, empty mag +2.75 oz)
    Glock 19 – 20.99 oz w/no magazine (full mag +8.99 oz, empty mag +2.46 oz)

    Trigger Pull

    Glock 17 – 5.5 lbs
    Glock 19 – 5.5 lbs

    The trigger pull for both the glock 17 and the glock 19 are the same. You can take your Glock to a glock specialist and have them reduce the trigger pull of course, but these are all after market mods.
    Usage

    What are you planning to use this for? Home defense, open carry, conceal carry, for the truck/car? If you are using it for home defense and you are happy with the way a Glock 17 feels then go with that, if you want a backup weapon, or a conceal carry weapon and you like the way the Glock 19 shoots, then choose that.

    So what did we decide? Well we decided to buy one of each of course! We suggest you hit up your local gun range, they most likely rent both of these out. The only way to tell is to hold it in your hand.
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