SLAP ON CPEC: MUMBAI-MOSCOW TRAIN CORRIDOR by 2017-2018

Navnit Kundu

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It will cut down costs and let our products be more cheap in the markets where we have to face competition with Chinese goods.:biggrin2:
Also, if it was only about connecting with Russia, then I am sure Russia could have put enough pressure on China to give immunity to let their goods pass through China and enter India from somewhere in the north like Akasi Chin (regardless of how the territorial dispute gets resolved). China can get transit fee and if it is about transport of hydrocarbons, then a common pipeline can be constructed and China can get some fuel supplies from the same pipeline so they have a vested interest in keeping the pipeline alive. Of course 50 cent gangs on online forum will never agree that this is possible, as according to them 'great supa dupa powa' China never compromises with anything. But it will happen if Russia wants it to happen. Somehow, it made sense for India to seek a dual purpose route to Europe as well, so this route was chosen.

I still feel that a route from Russia > China > Aksai Chin would be the safest since the US cannot attack that route inside Russia or China as both are strong nations.
 

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Saars, why the eff should it go through azeristan??
From Iran to Russia through the Caspian, is not good enough??

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Probably the reason Rus/Iran wants to include the Azeris is to prevent others (read mama from West) from gaining foothold.

Edit: Just checked GE. Looks like the Iranians don't have major ports along Caspian because of Elborz range. But Azeris have Baku. :hmm:
 
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Also, if it was only about connecting with Russia, then I am sure Russia could have put enough pressure on China to give immunity to let their goods pass through China and enter India from somewhere in the north like Akasi Chin (regardless of how the territorial dispute gets resolved). China can get transit fee and if it is about transport of hydrocarbons, then a common pipeline can be constructed and China can get some fuel supplies from the same pipeline so they have a vested interest in keeping the pipeline alive. Of course 50 cent gangs on online forum will never agree that this is possible, as according to them 'great supa dupa powa' China never compromises with anything. But it will happen if Russia wants it to happen. Somehow, it made sense for India to seek a dual purpose route to Europe as well, so this route was chosen.

I still feel that a route from Russia > China > Aksai Chin would be the safest since the US cannot attack that route inside Russia or China as both are strong nations.
How about US freelance proxies in Central Asia?

Also it seems likie a longer route.

Additionally, there are 2 (maybe 3,4) mountain ranges to traverse: Himalaya/Karakoram, Pamirs, Kunlun Mts, Tian Shan?
Is it feasibile?
 

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Also, if it was only about connecting with Russia, then I am sure Russia could have put enough pressure on China to give immunity to let their goods pass through China and enter India from somewhere in the north like Akasi Chin (regardless of how the territorial dispute gets resolved). China can get transit fee and if it is about transport of hydrocarbons, then a common pipeline can be constructed and China can get some fuel supplies from the same pipeline so they have a vested interest in keeping the pipeline alive. Of course 50 cent gangs on online forum will never agree that this is possible, as according to them 'great supa dupa powa' China never compromises with anything. But it will happen if Russia wants it to happen. Somehow, it made sense for India to seek a dual purpose route to Europe as well, so this route was chosen.

I still feel that a route from Russia > China > Aksai Chin would be the safest since the US cannot attack that route inside Russia or China as both are strong nations.
How about US freelance proxies in Central Asia?

Also it seems likie a longer route.

Additionally, there are 2 (maybe 3,4) mountain ranges to traverse: Himalaya/Karakoram, Pamirs, Kunlun Mts, Tian Shan?
Is it feasibile?
this project is much more beneficial for Iran as compare to India , china or Russia............................btw chinies were making a train route via Nepal to bihar .

http://www.indianexpress.com/articl...etch-nepal-rail-link-to-bihar-report-2816471/


India is also making 5 Railway routes in Nepal .

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/bl...ld-five-rail-links-with-landlocked-Nepal.html


the India-Nepal-China Corridor ??

http://www.businessinsider.in/Comin...a-to-China-via-Nepal/articleshow/47912495.cms



Russians were also considering supplying Oil to India via china .


A few strategies for transporting natural gas to India are being studied, including the route through the Chinese Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, swapping gas supplies to Iran
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https://in.rbth.com/economics/cooperation/2015/12/21/gas-pipeline-to-india-being-considered_553397
 
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Ferry - Iranian port - Truck - Rail - Azerbaijan - Russia

What a multimodal odessey!?

At a glimpse of the above map do u still believe the jenius idea would work, :biggrin2: in a cost + operational perspective, needless to mention the incomplete Azerbaijan road section, and geopolitics...?

And Azerbaijan: Economic recession
we are making 15 thousands kilometer Railways in Iran in exchange of Oil ..............we can also make Railways in Azerbaijan .
economy of Azerbaijan depends on Oil .......................that is the reason of recent recessions ....... .................

Main problem is "relationship between Iran & Azerbaijan " both are SHIA countries but their relationships are not Good .
but since this source is from Azerbaijan, it means all the parties are ready for co-operation .
 

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Also, if it was only about connecting with Russia, then I am sure Russia could have put enough pressure on China to give immunity to let their goods pass through China and enter India from somewhere in the north like Akasi Chin (regardless of how the territorial dispute gets resolved). China can get transit fee and if it is about transport of hydrocarbons, then a common pipeline can be constructed and China can get some fuel supplies from the same pipeline so they have a vested interest in keeping the pipeline alive. Of course 50 cent gangs on online forum will never agree that this is possible, as according to them 'great supa dupa powa' China never compromises with anything. But it will happen if Russia wants it to happen. Somehow, it made sense for India to seek a dual purpose route to Europe as well, so this route was chosen.

I still feel that a route from Russia > China > Aksai Chin would be the safest since the US cannot attack that route inside Russia or China as both are strong nations.
It would be prudent for India to maintain a balancing act between China and US (primarily in economic terms) so that we can maintain an independent foreign policy. A trade route with minimal American influence is, therefore a welcome idea. Hence, it makes perfect sense when you talk about a Russia>China>India route. Its just that it would be Russia > Kazakhstan > China > India; with China > India via Karakorum pass and not Aksai Chin (To avoid needless procedures and complications)
Some route extensions would be:-
For India: Europe > Russia > Kazakhstan > China > India
For China: Middle East/Africa > India > China [This can be an alternative to the CPEC for China and once we improve our own infrastructure (along that route) enough to match that of CPEC, we can directly compete with the CPEC corridor]
The Chinese would definitely prefer the Indian route if we offer a less costly and more reliable alternative to CPEC. The unrest in Pakistan-Baluchistan-POK, and the corruption in various Pakistan government authorities will also help push the Chinese traffic to the Indian corridor, away form CPEC.
I know that given India-China rivalry, China would not let go of CPEC and would not let its traffic through an Indian corridor at the cost of CPEC, but in peace-time, if an Indian corridor offers better alternatives, China might as well divert some traffic to the Indian corridor, which cuts dividends for Pakistan.
This will also allow India-China trade to proceed through this corridor (and another one through Sikkim if militarily feasible). This in turn will be a fillip to J&K's economy.
If these routes are so viable and so potent, why on earth, seek a different route through the most unstable nation on earth? viz. CPEC through Pakistan.
 

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Azerbaijan is a shia muslim country ....................ally of Israel -turkey & enemy of Iran-Armenia .................Israel has invested billions of $ in Azerbaijan's oil fields .......they are Fighting & killing Armenians Christians .........................Armenians are supported by Russia .............

Azerbaijan is a pro pakistaani country too .

Go to facebook page of Defence.peeke ...........................there are so many supporters of Pakistaan from Azerbaijan .

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it would be a very challenging project for Indian-Russian diplomats .



agar kargil war mein POK pe kabja kar lete to itni problem na hoti ..........

a shia muslim country , is an enemy of iran how ???
 

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The 1st train left from Mumbai on 7 Aug ! Why didn't Indian media covered this news instead of ctyapa in Kashmir ?
 

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Azerbaijan is a shia muslim country ....................ally of Israel -turkey & enemy of Iran-Armenia .................Israel has invested billions of $ in Azerbaijan's oil fields .......they are Fighting & killing Armenians Christians .........................Armenians are supported by Russia .............

Azerbaijan is a pro pakistaani country too .

Go to facebook page of Defence.peeke ...........................there are so many supporters of Pakistaan from Azerbaijan .

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it would be a very challenging project for Indian-Russian diplomats .



agar kargil war mein POK pe kabja kar lete to itni problem na hoti ..........

Azerbaijan is a pro circumcised country and support pork claims over Kashmir.


Even more disgusting is that Jews are giving them Barak 8, jointly developed by India and Israel !


This same country has a joint Defense pact with Porkies and there is no guarantee that our Barak 8 technology fell in pork hands later got reverse engineered with the Help of Chini.


This is what happened with French Crotale.
 

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The 1st train left from Mumbai on 7 Aug ! Why didn't Indian media covered this news instead of ctyapa in Kashmir ?
because the route is not yet fully operational, after iran the cargo will be transported in Azerbaijan as they have not yet finished with their part of track laying. then the cargo will be again loaded in Khazhakstan... so until the root becomes fully operational we can't take full credit, MODI team has now realized from NSG hype that in case of this immature celebration lets celebrate once the project is success
 

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Azerbaijan is a pro circumcised country and support pork claims over Kashmir.


Even more disgusting is that Jews are giving them Barak 8, jointly developed by India and Israel !


This same country has a joint Defense pact with Porkies and there is no guarantee that our Barak 8 technology fell in pork hands later got reverse engineered with the Help of Chini.


This is what happened with French Crotale.
we dont have much issues with Azerbaijan on the other hand , Iran & Israel are Hardcore enemies , Iran is Giving Funding , weapons training to Hazbollah and they are killing jews . recently Iran also supported pakis claim .

But India is also helping Iran by buying it's oil and making chahbahar port , railways etc .

this will improve economy of Iran and that Funds will be used Against Israel .

similarly Arabic countries are enemies of both Israel & Iran but the same
Arabic countries are Investing Billions of $ in India we are Investing Billions of $ in Iran .



I really dont understand Indian foreign policy & how India is maintaining diplomatic relationship with Israel , Arabs & Iran at the same Time .

Similarly I dont understand INDIAN-US-Russian relationships .





 

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because the route is not yet fully operational, after iran the cargo will be transported in Azerbaijan as they have not yet finished with their part of track laying. then the cargo will be again loaded in Khazhakstan... so until the root becomes fully operational we can't take full credit, MODI team has now realized from NSG hype that in case of this immature celebration lets celebrate once the project is success
So where is the cargo which was sent on 7th August, in Iran ?
 

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we dont have much issues with Azerbaijan on the other hand , Iran & Israel are Hardcore enemies , Iran is Giving Funding , weapons training to Hazbollah and they are killing jews . recently Iran also supported pakis claim .

But India is also helping Iran by buying it's oil and making chahbahar port , railways etc .

this will improve economy of Iran and that Funds will be used Against Israel .

similarly Arabic countries are enemies of both Israel & Iran but the same
Arabic countries are Investing Billions of $ in India we are Investing Billions of $ in Iran .



I really dont understand Indian foreign policy & how India is maintaining diplomatic relationship with Israel , Arabs & Iran at the same Time .

Similarly I dont understand INDIAN-US-Russian relationships .






I am talking about Azeris not Iranian, they have just signed a Defense pact with Porks so what if they share the sophisticated tech with them, which is also in service with India especially Barak 8


Besides, our diplomatic support has always been with Armenians who have territorial dispute with Azeris.

Whereas Azeri support paki and plebiscite on Kashmir.
 

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a shia muslim country , is an enemy of iran how ???


Azerbaijan is a Turkish Shia country ....................while Iran is a Persian shia country ...............some part of Azerbaijan with Turkish Shia population is occupied by Iran so that is the cause of Border issues .


Azerbaijan was part of soviet Union , The majority of population in Azerbaijan are Shia but the government is not only secular but against Islam and prohibited almost every religious activities and independent Islamic center & there is Hijab Ban in Schools .




Their government is pro Israel however the majority of Azerbaijan’s populations are pro Palestine and against Israel .
 

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I am talking about Azeris not Iranian, they have just signed a Defense pact with Porks so what if they share the sophisticated tech with them, which is also in service with India especially Barak 8
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Israel has invested billion of $ in oil fields of azeris & barak -8 will protect their investment against Armenians & irani missiles .


even china has S-400 , kilo class , su -30 etc .......Malaysia & Brazil can share secrets of our submarines ...Arabic countries can share secrets of euro-fighter & Rafael ?? no
India can share american sophisticated tech with Russia & vice versa ?? no

try to understand reverse engineering of sophisticated tech is extremely difficult especially if it is related to electronics & programing .

cloning of mechanical equipment & designing is possible but how they will copy sensors , electronic components & programing of barak -8 ?



Besides, our diplomatic support has always been with Armenians who have territorial dispute with Azeris.

Whereas Azeri support paki and plebiscite on Kashmir.



throughout the history our diplomatic support has always been with Palestinians .....yes even after 1971 & kargil wars we did not support Israel .........................even today we are not supporting Israel ....................only in 2014 , India abstained on UN HRC voting on the 2014 Gaza Conflict , but we never supported Israel like USA .

this is president of India (2015)>>>> http://www.timesofisrael.com/indian...upport-for-palestinians-ahead-of-israel-trip/

i really dont understand our foreign policy .






 

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CAN'T CONFIRM FOR INFORMATION ABOUT TRAIN LEAVING
My apologies to DFI and it's members, I can't validate and confirm if train left for Iran on 7th of August for it's dry run.. It was scheduled though.. I tried searching the news for validation but couldn't find it...

For more information on this topic everyone can browse
www.instcindia.in
 

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China has economic corridors with other countries, how much they think of role of Pakistan ?
 

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