Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Screambowl]

First, China can't contain India as Indua has the strategic location.

They already did wake up from sleep. They have placed eyes and ears in Quetta, Lanka and Maldives
All inbound outbound air and sea traffic is on their radar. Do you have anything like that near China? No.

No king had crossed the himalayas into it. It is 100% barren.

If your head is bald would it lose it's importance and you will allow some one to hit it? Come on man!

Secondly, if you stay with such a rhetoric that no king crossed there etc etc this means you are introvert and not an explorer. Most of the great civilization were great because they explored and took over the place. That is the only reason why India was subjected to invasions.

 

[Kshithij]

They already did wake up from sleep. They have placed eyes and ears in Quetta, Lanka and Maldives
All inbound outbound air and sea traffic is on their radar. Do you have anything like that near China? No.



If your head is bald would it lose it's importance and you will allow some one to hit it? Come on man!

Secondly, if you stay with such a rhetoric that no king crossed there etc etc this means you are introvert and not an explorer. Most of the great civilization were great because they explored and took over the place. That is the only reason why India was subjected to invasions.

Hmm, please calm down. As I said, oil when runs dry, China will lose its ability to transport to hostile areas

 

[Screambowl]

Hmm, please calm down. As I said, oil when runs dry, China will lose its ability to transport to hostile areas

Before oil runs out Chinese will take Arunachal. What will you do? Talk to them? Just like our govt talks to Pak.. like Mani shankar and other dhimmis.

 

[Kshithij]

Before oil runs out Chinese will take Arunachal. What will you do? Talk to them? Just like our govt talks to Pak.. like Mani shankar and other dhimmis.

Then they will be bombed, missile launch, artillery etc. Why do you think china can come and take arunachal? Arunachal is not defensible by china. It makes no sense to simply jump into hostile territory

 

[Screambowl]

Then they will be bombed, missile launch, artillery etc. Why do you think china can come and take arunachal? Arunachal is not defensible by china. It makes no sense to simply jump into hostile territory

The point is they have guts, India remains with an ideology that India never invaded any country past 1000 years. Why because we were slaves.We openly speak that. No one allowed us to enter.

We are dhimmis and introvert happy to become CEO after doing MBA. We are only concerned about our biwi bache and retirement package.

 

[Kshithij]

The point is they have guts, India remains with an ideology that India never invaded any country past 1000 years. Why because we were slaves.We openly speak that. No one allowed us to enter.

We are dhimmis and introvert happy to become CEO after doing MBA. We are only concerned about our biwi bache and retirement package.

If you are following me, you can see what an dhimmi I am. So, keep this shit away. Having guts is different from being retarded. China doesn't do anything without objective in long term.

I never said that India must not keep vigil but that reality is not like that

 

[Screambowl]

Having guts is different from being retarded. China doesn't do anything without objective in long term.

We have seen in the past China has added territory and India has only lost it. Some to napakis and some to Chinese.

If India was so vigil we would have not been caught with our pants down in kargil. And even then when the things ended up to nuclear exchange India still cared for not crossing LC.
If this is not dhimmi then what it is?

The question is why only Indians are subjected to this sort of learning process where they get slapped first and then they react. And even after that in few years they forget whatever they have learnt and await for next slap.

 

[Kshithij]

We have seen in the past China has added territory and India has only lost it. Some to napakis and some to Chinese.

If India was so vigil we would have not been caught with our pants down in kargil. And even then when the things ended up to nuclear exchange India still cared for not crossing LC.
If this is not dhimmi then what it is?

The question is why only Indians are subjected to this sort of learning process where they get slapped first and then they react. And even after that in few years they forget whatever they have learnt and await for next slap.

China has lost territory to Russia.

Next, Kargil was when India got independence for the first time under BJP. But, then people by then were retarded and incompetent.

The retards of the past are not there anymore. So, invoking past behaviour is not meaningful.

 

[mayfair]

China has lost territory to Russia.

Surely you do not mean Siberia and Kamchatka? Cheenis have as much claim on those territories as us. Which other territories are you speaking of?

 

[Willy2]

the Aksai Chin is not Indian by any means. No king had crossed the himalayas into it. It is 100% barren.

Because they don't need to send his soldier in "barren land" as in past those areas are inhabited by peaceful budhhist/bon/hindu monks who seek solitude in mountains , now there is a bloody communist devil army who are ally with our biggest ideological enemy ....Nehru did blunder by selling Tibets freedom in the name of nobel prize , but now no backing off

 

[indus]

First, China can't contain India as Indua has the strategic location. Second, the Aksai Chin is not Indian by any means. No king had crossed the himalayas into it. It is 100% barren.

China will lose all gas once oil runs out. It can never travel thousands if kilometres without the energy supplied by oil. Since oil is not permanent, why are you so worried of China?

It was USA that armed Pakistan with BVR missiles, nuclear technology and missiles. Pakistan was always USA ally

You are gonna give tough competition to @SELVAM in writing bs. Plz do a wiki search on Aksai Chin to know whether it was part of India or not. Being 100% barren doesnt mean land holds no value. U speak like one of our PM s who had similar views and got duped by Chinese. All know how it went.

On other forums I have seen posters asking Indians to wait for Pakis getting natural death. Here u are asking us to wait for Chinese oil to run out. How laughable it is.
Third. What strategic location are u talking abt. Sooner Chin Subs will be docking in Hanbantota and Gwadar. These locations make India security vulnerable. And Cpec is a project to end the chinese dependency of Mallaca straits for oil and cargo transit.
Fourth. Yes US has also armed Pakis but its more of Chinese who gave them nuke tech. Infact read recent reports of Pak importing ammo and weapons from China. Read below that 63% of pak weapons come from China.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...s-arms-need/story-fnqRQYRHRRU73kDxmlILdL.html

I am worried of China because it is a rouge nation which is habitual of gobbling other countries lands. India has to protect itself from this hegemonic expansionist country.

 

[Kshithij]

You are gonna give tough competition to @SELVAM in writing bs. Plz do a wiki search on Aksai Chin to know whether it was part of India or not. Being 100% barren doesnt mean land holds no value. U speak like one of our PM s who had similar views and got duped by Chinese. All know how it went.

On other forums I have seen posters asking Indians to wait for Pakis getting natural death. Here u are asking us to wait for Chinese oil to run out. How laughable it is.
Third. What strategic location are u talking abt. Sooner Chin Subs will be docking in Hanbantota and Gwadar. These locations make India security vulnerable. And Cpec is a project to end the chinese dependency of Mallaca straits for oil and cargo transit.
Fourth. Yes US has also armed Pakis but its more of Chinese who gave them nuke tech. Infact read recent reports of Pak importing ammo and weapons from China. Read below that 63% of pak weapons come from China.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...s-arms-need/story-fnqRQYRHRRU73kDxmlILdL.html

I am worried of China because it is a rouge nation which is habitual of gobbling other countries lands. India has to protect itself from this hegemonic expansionist country.

China is a land threat at most. China can never be oceanic threat. This is what I said.

If lanka harbours china, then we will destroy lanka. If CPEC causes problems, we will destroy the pipeline, railways and Pakistan itself.

Chinese are supplying Pakistan ordinary weapons, not sophisticated arms. There is a difference.

India has to be armed against everyone. But, the urgency, priority of weapons, scaling of production etc will depend on various factors

 

[indus]

China is a land threat at most. China can never be oceanic threat. This is what I said.

If lanka harbours china, then we will destroy lanka. If CPEC causes problems, we will destroy the pipeline, railways and Pakistan itself.

Chinese are supplying Pakistan ordinary weapons, not sophisticated arms. There is a difference.

India has to be armed against everyone. But, the urgency, priority of weapons, scaling of production etc will depend on various factors

U r in so much hurry to destroy everything in ur path. What are you??? Okhi or Katrina.

 

[Kshithij]

Surely you do not mean Siberia and Kamchatka? Cheenis have as much claim on those territories as us. Which other territories are you speaking of?

Same with aksai chin

Because they don't need to send his soldier in "barren land" as in past those areas are inhabited by peaceful budhhist/bon/hindu monks who seek solitude in mountains , now there is a bloody communist devil army who are ally with our biggest ideological enemy ....Nehru did blunder by selling Tibets freedom in the name of nobel prize , but now no backing off

Hindus who left muslims to stay behind even after partition are far worse than any chinese. If you are prioritising, then prioritise to eliminate any traitors within. No point thinking of outside when the biggest enemies are inside.

China is barricaded by Tibet and Himalayas. It is not that easy for China to enter. As I said, if they do then it will be met with extremely heavy bombing and Artillery.

U r in so much hurry to destroy everything in ur path. What are you??? Okhi or Katrina.

I am a sane person who understands the biological limitations of man and the consequent number if choices I have

 

[Bornubus]

The Indian drone that crashed in China could be a goldmine for Chinese weapons engineers

AVM MANMOHAN BAHADUR (RETD)7 December, 2017

The news we are waiting for is whether the UAV crashed on its own or more worryingly, was brought down by the Chinese.

The news of the loss of an Indian Army unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) raises many questions.

The Indian Army official statement has said that it was on a training mission and strayed across the LAC in the Sikkim area. But what is awaited is the report about whether it crashed on its own or was brought down by the Chinese. The next issue is whether it was a Searcher Mk II or a Heron – both imported from Israel.

There are four reasons why this loss is worrisome, irrespective of the type of the UAV.

First: it is the loss of an aviation asset that is difficult to come by. The Heron/Searcher is imported from Israel and to get a new bird as a replacement would take years to process in our bureaucratic maze.

Second: while we would be one UAV less, it is the loss of a reconnaissance capability that would hurt operationally. A UAV, especially of the Heron class, brings with it high altitude transit and reconnaissance capability, which is vital in our northern borders. Flying inside national airspace, the payloads carried by the Heron can look across the border without the adversary realising that it is being snooped on; it would paint as a blip on his radar without him able to do anything about it. The closer the flight path is to the border, and if across, better is the quality of information that would be available.

Third: if it has fallen into unwanted hands, it is really worrisome. The Chinese would surely strip the payload for its technology and improve their own.

It is a well-known fact that Israeli electronics are one of the best in the world, while those of China are not. Even though Israel would not have sold their latest version of the payload to India, it would be safe to assume that the Chinese engineers would be eager to get a hand on the electronics.

The Chinese are known to aggressively pursue getting hold of western technology. They reportedly got hold of the electronics and stealth data of the F-117 shot down in March 1999 during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. There are reports they had a look at the American Special Forces H-60 stealth Blackhawk helicopter that crashed during the Osama bin Laden raid in Abbottabad.

Last, but most importantly, why did the ground control lose command of the UAV? If it was a link loss, then the UAV would have come back on its own due to the safety feature of ‘get back home’ logarithms that kick-in. So, if that did not happen, was it shot down from ground or by a Chinese aviation asset – fighter or helicopter? If yes, it would imply that its position was compromised by a radar/acoustic or visual signature – all things that the court of inquiry would be looking into (incidentally, an IAF Searcher was lost to a Pakistani F-16 in 2002 across Amritsar).

If this was not the case, was the control taken over by spoofing of the radio link by the Chinese, as was supposedly done by Iran’s ‘cyber warfare units’ on 4 December 2011 when an American RQ-170 Sentinel UAV was recovered by them in a fairly undamaged condition? If this was the case, it would be a very serious occurrence, as we would have to revamp and overhaul UAV SOPs for operations near the border, as also look at the electronic warfare susceptibility of the UAVs with us.

The most re-assuring news (if that can be called as such) would be that the UAV had some technical defect, like an engine fault, which made it lose height and make it unrecoverable or return home in the automatic mode. Or that it crashed so hard that its electronics were totally destroyed on impact. But that would be wishful thinking.

The author is a retired Air Vice Marshal of the IAF.

Also read: India loses its troop scanning Heron UAV, secretive sensors to China crash


https://theprint.in/2017/12/07/if-t...ese-hands-they-would-strip-it-for-technology/

 

[indus]

Same with aksai chin

Hindus who left muslims to stay behind even after partition are far worse than any chinese. If you are prioritising, then prioritise to eliminate any traitors within. No point thinking of outside when the biggest enemies are inside.

China is barricaded by Tibet and Himalayas. It is not that easy for China to enter. As I said, if they do then it will be met with extremely heavy bombing and Artillery.


I am a sane person who understands the biological limitations of man and the consequent number if choices I have

Sane persons dont talk of destroying countries in a wink of an eye. As for Aksai Chin plz do some research before writing. Saying a lie 1000 times doesnt make it truth.
Btw plz tell who are the traitors within and how do you plan to eliminate them. Also tell if China is barricaded by Himalayas why did they jump over it and invade us in 62. Or try to alter the situation in Doklam few months back.

 

[Kshithij]

Sane persons dont talk of destroying countries in a wink of an eye. As for Aksai Chin plz do some research before writing. Saying a lie 1000 times doesnt make it truth.
Btw plz tell who are the traitors within and how do you plan to eliminate them. Also tell if China is barricaded by Himalayas why did they jump over it and invade us in 62. Or try to alter the situation in Doklam few months back.

Sane people do the right thing without thinking twice. If Lanka is siding with enemy in a war, it becomes an enemy. The only way to deal with enemy is to eliminate. Pakistan is always an enemy. Obviously it has to be destroyed.

You don't know the reality behind Doklam. Just listening to dehati Aurat talks is not correct. Real action is what one must look to judge

 

[mayfair]

The only way to deal with enemy is to eliminate. Pakistan is always an enemy. Obviously it has to be destroyed.

How do you suggest that Pakistan be destroyed? Can you post some suggestions, realistic timelines and the expected fallouts and how do we deal with it?

 

[lcafanboy]

In 1987 when Army almost broke Pakistan into four and govt said 'NO'

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...nto-four-and-govt-said-no.80359/#post-1383647

 

[indus]

Sane people do the right thing without thinking twice. If Lanka is siding with enemy in a war, it becomes an enemy. The only way to deal with enemy is to eliminate. Pakistan is always an enemy. Obviously it has to be destroyed.

You don't know the reality behind Doklam. Just listening to dehati Aurat talks is not correct. Real action is what one must look to judge

dude u are giving a good laugh. Thanx a tonne.
Plz destroy Pakistan. Am all for it but also tell us how. Eager to know, but spare us logic like when oil ends or similar.
Also eager to know the reality behind Doklam. We had a dedicated thread during Doklam crisis. Dint know it was useless, we could have easily asked u for the reality.