Sino-Vietnam Conflicts : Spratley Islands and others

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  1. bhramos

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    Real footage: China massacred 64 people with 37mm anti-aircraft guns

    On the occasion of celebrating the Chinese Navy 60th anniversary, a short clip that was taken by the Chinese navy in 1988 has been publicized by her state medien. It shows the actions of the Chinese navy in combat as the so called “self-defence” and conceals the reality of a massacre :
    64 innocent Vietnamese people were killed by 37mm anti-craft guns from Chinese warships in a few seconds.

    Youtube: YouTube - China´s massacre in Spratly islands (real footage 1988)
     
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  3. Pintu

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    This is cold blooded murder, crime against humanity and barbarity shown by the Chinese Navy and History will not forgive them.
     
  4. MMuthu

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    Hum...... God is there......
     
  5. bhramos

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    i accept u boss.
    but communists donts trust the god.
    but why r CPM[Maoists] take money from Christians Organizations and attack RSS or Swamiji's in Orissa ?
     
  6. kuku

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    The guys should have gone into the islands with means to fire back on to the ship and sink it.

    PR of China never rests back on its territorial ambitions and claims.

    They will do the same again with out thinking twice about it.
     
  7. NikSha

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    This is pretty messed up. I am spreading this video around.. thanks for posting it.
     
  8. ZOOM

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    I would like to express my doubt about the autientication of such Video, since it only gives images in the form of Powerpoint and not a a real video. I do aware about Maritime confilct between china and vitenam, but haven't come across about any of such thing. Better, somebody post some more valid link to substantiate such video.
     
  9. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    the conflict happened in 1987. at that time CHina and Vientam all sent troop to disputed "spraltely Islands" and wanted to occupied them.

    WHen both trooped encounted in a island called "Chigua reef", such a conflicts broked out.


    In fact, both Vietnamese and Chinese in the footage were all soliers.

    and it was indeed Vietnamese that "fired first"... of course, it may be indeed a just “fire accidentally" according to the following investigation.

    But obviously CHinese has much better preparation,their warship were also much bigger and powerful than Vietnamese.
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    over a 100,000 vietnamese civilians were killed by the Chinese in 9 days, but the Chinese still lost.
     
  11. badguy2000

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    well ,how much do you konw about sino-viet conflict?:2guns:

    in 1980s, China had 8 military regions(MR).

    in fact, any of 8 MRs was enough to deal with Vietnam,but at that time, Chinese top leader Deng didn't want to upgrade the conflit and wanted to give every MR to have chance to take part in real war.

    So Deng decided that the 8 MR should burden the defence of sino-viet bounday alternately ;

    For exmple, in 1980, it was Guangzhou MR that sent troops to fight vietnamese.
    in 1981,it was the turn of Chengdu MR. then the troops of Guangzhou MR all retreated and Chengdu MR sent troops to take over the postion.
    in 1982, it maybe the turn of Nanjin MR,then Nanjing MR sent troop to take over the postion of Chengdu MR and the troop of Chengdu MR all retreated .
    when all 8 MR finished their turn, it was already 1988 .
    During the whole 1980s, Vietnam had to keep 1 million+ sodilers,just to "defeat any invasion from north" . high defence budget make Vietnam miss the chance of industrialization. When Vietnam woke up in 1988, CHina's economy had already be 1 decade ahead of Vietnam.

    In China, such a plan is called "两山轮训”(Alternate Training in sino-viet boundary)
     
  12. MMuthu

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    So you are telling that killing 100,000 is a noble act of Chinese?
     
  13. Officer of Engineers

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    Think you've added too many zeros.
     
  14. badguy2000

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    more zers has more wallops...sometimes ,wallop is more important than truth.:2guns:
     
  15. LETHALFORCE

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    Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Casualties and losses
    6900 killed, 15,000 wounded. Western sources: 25,000 killed and 37.000 wounded

    [1]
    21,900 casualties[2]
    Under 10,000[3]
    Over 20,000 killed and wounded Chinese claimed 30,000 killed

    Vietnam claims 100,000 civilians killed[1]

    AND THE TRUTH THAT CHINA LOST
     
  16. Officer of Engineers

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    First of all, you've said nine days. It was 45 days of fighting. Secondly, while the Vietnamese would like to attribute all the deaths to direct Chinese action, the sad fact is that most of these deaths happened during the fight for the provincial capitals, meaning house-to-house, room-to-room fighting. As course of such combat, the Vietnamese are also responsible for civilian casualties.

    Lastly, I don't know how you can claim China lost when all OPOBJs were achieved.
     
  17. LETHALFORCE

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    ok if it makes you happy Chinese won where NATO/USA/FRANCE all lost, in a much quicker time.
     
  18. F-14

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    hey LF sir rather we should call it a " Disceplaniary action" Isnt that right Badguy 2000

    the Causi bille said by the PRC "The reason cited for the counter strike was the supposed mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands (claimed by the PRC)."

    Orbats of the Forces

    Chinese order of battle

    Guangxi Direction (East Front) commanded by the Front Headquarter of Guangzhou Military Region in Nanning. Commander-Xu Shiyou, Political Commissar-Xiang Zhonghua, Chief of Staff-Zhou Deli
    North Group: Commander-Ou Zhifu (Deputy Commander of Guangzhou Military Region)
    41st Corps Commander-Zhang Xudeng, Political Commissar-Liu Zhanrong
    121st Infantry Division Commander-Zheng Wenshui
    122nd Infantry Division Commander-Li Xinliang
    123rd Infantry Division Commander-Li Peijiang
    South Group: Commander-Wu Zhong (Deputy Commander of Guangzhou Military Region)
    42nd Corps Commander-Wei Huajie, Political Commissar-Xun Li
    124th Infantry Division Commander-Gu Hui
    125th Infantry Division
    126th Infantry Division
    East Group: Commander-Jiang Xieyuan (Deputy Commander of Guangzhou Military Region)
    55th Corps Commander-Zhu Yuehua, Temporary Political Commissar-Guo Changzeng
    163rd Infantry Division Commander-Bian Guixiang, Political Commissar-Wu Enqing, Chief of Staff-Xing Shizhong
    164th Infantry Division Commander-Xiao Xuchu (also Deputy Commander of 55th Corps)
    165th Infantry Division
    1st Artillery Division
    Reserve Group (came from Wuhan Military Region except 50th Corps from Chengdu Military Region), Deputy Commander-Han Huaizhi (Commander of 54th Corps)
    43rd Corp Commander-Zhu Chuanyu, Temporary Political Commissar-Zhao Shengchang
    127th Infantry Division Commander-Zhang Wannian (also as the Deputy Commander of 43rd Corps)
    128th Infantry Division
    129th Infantry Division
    54th Corsp Commander-Han Huaizhi (pluralism), Political Commissar-Zhu Zhiwei
    160th Infantry Division (commanded by 41st Corp in this war) Commander-Zhang Zhixin, Political Commissar-Li Zhaogui
    161st Infantry Division
    162nd Infantry Division Commander-Li Jiulong
    50th Corps Temporary Commander-Liu Guangtong, Political Commissar-Gao Xingyao
    148th Infantry Division
    150th Infantry Division
    20th Corps (only dispatched the 58th Division into the war)
    58th Infantry Division (commanded by the 50th Corps during the war)
    Guangxi Military Region (as a provincial military region) Commander-Zhao Xinran Chief of Staff-Yin Xi
    1st Regiment of Frontier Defense in Youyiguan Pass
    2nd Regiment of Frontier Defense in Baise District
    3rd Regiment of Frontier Defense in Fangcheng County
    The Independent Infantry Division of Guangxi Military Region
    Air Force of Guangzhou Military Region (armed patrol in the sky of Guangxi, did not see combat)
    7th Air Force Corp
    13th Air Force Division (aerotransport unit came from Hubei province)
    70th Antiaircraft Artillery Division
    The 217 Fleet of South Sea Fleet
    8th Navy Aviation Division
    The Independent Tank Regiment of Guangzhou Military Region
    83rd Bateau Boat Regiment
    84th Bateau Boat Regiment
    Yunnan Direction (the West Front) commanded by the Front Headquarter of Kunming Military Region in Kaiyuan. Commander-Yang Dezhi, Political Commissar-Liu Zhijian, Chief of Staff-Sun Ganqing
    11th Corp(consisted of two divisions) Commander-Chen Jiagui, Political Commissar-Zhang Qi
    31st Infantry Division
    32nd Infantry Division
    13th Corps(camed from Chengdu Military Region) Commander-Yan Shouqing, Political Commissar-Qiao Xueting
    37th Infantry Division
    38th Infantry Division
    39th Infantry Division
    14th Corp Commander-Zhang Jinghua, Political Commissar-Fan Xinyou
    40th Infantry Division
    41st Infantry Division
    42nd Infantry Division
    149th Infantry Division (from Chengdu Military Region, belonged to 50th Corps, assigned to Yunnan Direction during the war)
    Yunnan Military Region (as a provincial military region)
    11th Regiment of Frontier Defense in Maguan County
    12th Regiment of Frontier Defense in Malipo County
    13th Regiment of Frontier Defense in
    14th Regiment of Frontier Defense in
    The Independent Infantry Division of Yunnan Military Region commanded by 11th Corps in the war
    65th Antiaircraft Artillery Division
    4th Artillery Division
    Independent Tank Regiment of Kunming Military Region
    86th Bateau Boat Regiment
    23rd Logistic Branch consisted of five army service stations, six hospitals, eleven medical establishments)
    17th Automobile Regiment commanded by 13th Corps during the war
    22nd Automobile Regiment
    5th Air Force Corps
    44th Air Force Division (fighter unit)
    Independent unit of 27th Air Force Division
    15th Air Force Antiaircraft Artillery Division

    Vietnamese Forces
    Many of Vietnam's elite troops were in Cambodia keeping a tight grip on its newly occupied territory. The Vietnamese government claimed they left only a force of about 70,000 including several army regular divisions and divisions of the Public Security Army (the Vietnamese equivalent of border guards) in its northern area. However, the Chinese claimed to have encountered twice this number. This concept of using local militias to fight the enemy has been a staple of Vietnamese defense strategy since antiquity. The PLA managed to advance about twenty five kilometres into Vietnam, with fighting mainly occurring in the provinces of Cao Bang, Lao Cai and Lang Son. On March 6, the Chinese occupied the city of Lang Son. They claimed the gate to Hanoi was open, declared their punitive mission achieved, and withdrew.
     
  19. Officer of Engineers

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    Sensationalism does not make your case, especially factually incorrect sensationalism. NATO was never in Vietnam.

    Tactically, the Vietnamese gave the Chinese a whopping buit operationally and strategically, the Chinese came out ahead.

    The only thing non-elite about the Vietnamese defenders is that they weren't wearing the right cap badges. A lot were veterans from being in south Vietnam and the fighting was both tenacious and determined.

    Plus, they were ready. They had six months to prepare. The regular Vietnamese soldier has nothing to complain about. Their leadership, however, don't believe in real time command.
     
  20. LETHALFORCE

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    NATO defeat was in Korea by China, true Vietnam just defeated the French and USA.
     
  21. Officer of Engineers

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    NATO was not in Korea.
     

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