Sikh and Hindu groups slam English Defence League

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    Sikh and Hindu groups slam EDL

    Leaders of some of the largest Sikh and Hindu organisations as well as Sikh Students in this country have signed a ‘Joint Statement’ condemning the English Defence League (EDL) including any Sikh youth who support the EDL.

    The statement is also signed by two Members of Parliament from Asian background as well as a number of councillors, including Councillor Lakhbir Singh, former Mayor of Luton, who himself had suffered a vicious attack by a racist youth last year after some protests in Luton.

    Other signatories include, Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Southall, the largest Sikh temple outside India, together with many other Sikh and Hindu temples in Southall, west London. Its also been signed by a major Sikh temple in Barking, east London, a hotspot for the British National Party (BNP), as well as by the British Sikh Council (UK), an umbrella organisation for a number of Sikh temples in this country.

    The Sikh Student Societies include some of the most famous colleges in London, like the London School of Economics (LSE), University College London (UCL) and Imperial College as well as the University of Hertfordshire.

    The statement is also signed by the Indian Workers Association (GB), Sikhs In England ( SIE ), an influential Sikh organisation, and Unite Against Fascism (UAF).

    The statement reads, “We, the undersigned, are deeply concerned by the rise in fascism, Islamophobia, anti-semitism and racism. The English Defence League (EDL) has organised events across the country, stirring up hatred, Islamophobia and racism – running riot in some cases and provoking violent attacks on Muslim, black and Asian communities and on Mosques and Mandirs (Hindu temples)”.

    It further highlights, ” They are using the old tactics of ‘divide and rule’ and are trying to divide the Asians by isolating the Muslim community. Furthermore, some misguided Sikh youth are letting themselves to be used by the EDL while a Sikh man has disgracefully joined the BNP. These people are helping to spread mistrust within our communities and we whole heartedly condemn their actions”.

    And adds that, “At a time of economic crisis with mass unemployment and impending deep public spending cuts - if the racists are allowed to make any further gains then we all would suffer from grave consequences. Thus we urge all Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews and people of other faiths to come together to strongly condemn the actions of these racist organizations and unite to turn back this tide of hatred”.

    Balwinder Singh Rana, spokesperson for UAF, also added, “The EDL pretend that they are not racist but they are no different than the old NF and the BNP. Now is the time for Sikhs and Hindus to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Muslim brethren and tell the EDL that their sinister aims of ‘divide and rule’ will not work. Otherwise it’s the Muslims today and it will be all us tomorrow”.

    Varinder Singh, youth representative for the Turban Campaign, said, ”It is of great concern that our youth are being recruited into the fascist and Islamophobic ideology which the English Defence League promotes. We as a community must face this threat to our youth head on by staying true to the core teachings of the Sikh Guru’s, which emphasise the importance of pluralism and brotherhood amongst mankind.”

    So far the EDL has held more than thirty marches and demonstrations up and down the country, often ending in violence. Now they are to return to Luton on Saturday, 5th February , which they regard their hometown as that’s where they began about 18 months ago.

    Councillor Lakhbir Singh, ex Mayor of Luton, who himself had suffered a vicious attack by a racist youth last year after some previous protests in Luton is also one of the signatories.
     
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    i beg to differ because when you have specimen that stage such protest no matter how a minority they might be such actions will obviously bolster xenophobic sentiments.
    AFAIK EDL is not against minorities but against fundamentalist protest which is intended to give the LONDONISTAN tag
     
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    Lets look at the issue clinically and not emotionally.

    The racial hatred starts when people don't assimilate into the native culture and instead want to impose theirs on others. Or poach on their girls, while acting coy and cloistering their own.

    Then starts the circus!

    Enoch Powells, BNP and EDP find favour!

    While the Enoch Powells, BNP and EDF are disgusting, soul searching is necessary.

    For instance, if the conquerors who conquered India were not so arrogant when they ruled over India and instead had blended with the country, the deep seated angst would not have been there. There would have been no Quit India movement!

    See the Parsis. They blended and yet they keep their culture aflame.

    They don't invite any criticism and scorn.

    Internationally, see the anger over illegals in the US, or against Turks in Germany or against the Bangladeshi illegals in India.

    Ask yourself, why?

    They are also God's People!

    And yet.......
     
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    Karma is a bitch and the brits will bee knowing it now
     
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    It's not good ,we should support EDL. By supporting Pakiz in UK. Indian community will create probelm for themself who enjoy good reputiation with goras till now.
     
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    I would give more credibility to Sikh and Hindu organisations in UK than a photograph showing fringe groups. When economic conditions are bad and unemployment levels are high then there is a trend towards fascist and xenophobia.

    The Nazis did'nt slaughter the jews becuse they did not blend in. The Europeans for most of the middle ages continued to hold xenophobic attitudes. When the racism starts, the wont' differentiate wether you are Muslim or Hindu or Sikh. For them they are all the same. This is the reason why local Sikh and Hindu organisations came out with the statement. Its not just about solidarity, there have been racist attacks against Hindus and Sikhs as well as the level of xenophobia increases.
     
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    You are looking at this emotionally. UK has more problems because of these so-called fringe groups because the local Muslims (Mostly Pakistanis) are extremely violent, intolerant and aggressive and refuse to blend into the British culture. Most of the news about religion will always be dominated by Pakistani origin people if you take a careful note. EDL might not be exactly friendly, but they are not problematic like BNP to Indians in general. I have many friends in UK who are there and have interacted with EDL who are more or less on loggerheads with the adamant refusal of the increasingly restive Muslim community of UK who refuses to blend in and accept laws demanding all sorts of extra-legal favours like Sharia and other stuff. When other communities don't have such unusual demands, then these people have no right to ask for such exclusive favours that increases ghetto-ization.

    Comparing Nazis to EDL would be pure emotional and not rational, Ejaz. As I said, I know some friends who are actually with EDL and of Indian origin and have clearly said that EDL is not race oriented.

    I know BNP is racist and extremely irrational but EDL is slightly different.

    As for choosing to take what side; it is your choice.

    Since I would prefer to believe a bunch of friends who have lived there, interacted with and been involved somehow with EDL of INDIAN origin rather than a bunch of peaceniks who don't know ground realities of UK and continue to needlessly cling on false political mileage existing due to ignorance. EDL arose because there IS a problem and the reason why they are being community-specific now is because there is an issue with them in specific.

    I know racism exists but I know that EDL isn't race motivated.
     
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    What Ejaz is saying is absolutely correct who will they go after Bangladeshis and Bious Bakistanis?It will be indians so no encouraging of all this in the first place.Good insight Ejaz
     
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    now now , young padawan. First they will come for the Muslims and then they will come for the Hindus... I totally agree that these smaller numbers of fundamentalist Muslims ( not all Muslims)- yelling about their rights , have no rights back in the country of origin in 99.999% cases. They are fanning the flames for such other anti Islam groups to be born. But you should never compromise on your basic decency in lieu of some favoritism of another group. there are more 'goras' who are decent than the vocal minority.

    they will never achieve that goal of Islamic state of Britain or any shariah judicial system .
     
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    EDL is not against minorities as such but they oppose the rising islamic fundamentalism in UK.Ofcourse human rights and other specimen are bound to yell but when if i go to UK i would prefer to see a gori walking down the street rather than some fanatic mullah or his burkha wife.
     
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    ^^^ and they those goras may like to see another gora and not you walking down the street :).

    Btw , how do you know if the guy is a mullah or just a regular Muslim? what's wrong with a burkha wife, if it's not forced upon them- half you guys get so possessive about your wife or girlfriends- if you had your ways you would put your girlfriends in one too :D It's funny how many fights I have seen in Bombay start over " Aye man ( insert some colorful hindi curse words), why you looking at my girlfriend? maro kaye
     
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    The photos are not of fringe groups.

    There is a distinct movement to showcase the difference that certain communities have, which are in wide contrast to the native community of the land of their or their parents domicile. This attitude foments anger, distrust and even hatred, resulting in the rise of personalities like Enoch Powell and rather unsavoury organisations like the BNP and EDL.

    Now, onto Jews blending into the local culture.

    In 1933 the largest Jewish populations were concentrated in Eastern Europe, including Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, and Romania. Many of the Jews of Eastern Europe lived in predominantly Jewish towns or villages, called shtetls. Eastern European Jews lived a separate life as a minority within the culture of the majority. They spoke their own language, Yiddish, which combines elements of German and Hebrew. They read Yiddish books, and attended Yiddish theater and movies. Although many younger Jews in larger towns were beginning to adopt modern ways and dress, older people often dressed traditionally, the men wearing hats or caps, and the women modestly covering their hair with wigs or kerchiefs.

    While it is fashionable to highlight the differences between Jews and the East European majority races and low keying the difference in West European countries, the fact is that if it were so, then there would be no explosion of rabid hatred in Nazi Germany nor would in October 1937, the Duke (Edward VIII) and Duchess visit Nazi Germany, against the advice of the British government. They met Adolf Hitler at his Obersalzberg retreat. The visit was much publicised by the German media. During the visit the Duke gave full Nazi salutes. The former Austrian ambassador, Count Albert von Mensdorff-Pouilly-Dietrichstein, who was also a second cousin once removed and friend of George V, believed that Edward favoured German fascism as a bulwark against communism, and even that he initially favoured an alliance with Germany.

    Judenhass or hatred of Jews can be ascribed to the following:
    • political and economic antisemitism, giving as examples Cicero and Charles Lindbergh;
    • theological or religious antisemitism, sometimes known as anti-Judaism;
    • nationalistic antisemitism, citing Voltaire and other Enlightenment thinkers, who attacked Jews for supposedly having certain characteristics, such as greed and arrogance, and for observing customs such as kashrut and Shabbat;
    • and racial antisemitism, with its extreme form resulting in the Holocaust by the Nazis.

    Another aspect that is forgotten for hatred towards Jew is their superiority in intelligence. This gave a sense of inferiority to the majority community, no matter how much the Jews were subjugated as untermenschen. Considering that the Jewish people constitute a mere one half of one percent of the world's population, Jewish contribution to religion, science, literature, music, medicine, finance, philosophy, entertainment etc., is staggering. This was also a reason for ‘others’ to be peeved.

    Therefore, one wonders if the Jews blended with the communities of the Nations they lived in.

    It is true that when racism starts, there will be no differentiation. The only thing that will matter is features and skin colour.

    Therefore, it would be a saner option, not to provoke the native community by flaunting the differences of the émigré communities.

    There is absolutely no reason to demand that Laws be changed to accommodate the laws of the émigré religions, or follow archaic customs like Honour Killing, or cloister own girls and poach on the native community’s womenfolk, blare away on loudspeakers at the wee hours of the morning religious calls or prayers, demand that female witnesses in a court case cover their faces as per religious rites and not show as to who is behind the veil or be hypocritical by consuming alcohol against the rules of the religion and yet pretend to be pious and follow archaic customs. One could for each illustration, present the cases of such misdoings but that would only inflame passions.

    Even if we take examples close home, half the problems of Indian religiosity and confrontations thereof, is not because one hates his neighbour of a different religion, but because of the brazen flaunting of religion aimed to provoke, and that is what creates the schism.

    Therefore, blend and not provoke is the key to inter-community and inter-religion harmony.
     
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    EDL seems to be following the ideology of Neo Nazi.
     
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    it could be gora doesn't like seeing me but so long i'm not going down London shouting death to UK or infidels his hate seems less justified don't you think so?

    Rest of your post doesn't make sense
     
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    If Saudi Arabia can impose her culture, her religious laws and her societal norms on non Saudis, why should Britain or for that matter, any nation, lie supine and allow it to be swamped by alien ways?

    Likewise, in many Islamic countries, you are not allowed to publicly eat during the period of Ramzan. If that is kosher, then why should other countries not feel aggrieved that they have to embrace or allow alien religious rules and customs and also respect the same?

    Let us be fair. Not that my heart bleeds for the BNP or EDL or any of such organisation that,
     
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    This is what happened BNP was involved last time. Asian youth burned Oldham and Bradford to the ground, this is what they want again??

    http://www.vdare.com/francis/british_riots.htm

    British Race Riots were Predictable and Predicted

    Peter Brimelow dissents on Powell’s career

    By Sam Francis

    Having enjoyed the exhilarating experience of two major race riots in less than two months, the British government of Tony Blair is eagerly searching for a white scapegoat to blame them on. The most convenient such goat is the minute “white nationalist” political party called the British National Party (BNP) which some in the British political establishment would like to ban outright, if only to smother a potential rivals in its cradle before it grows up.

    In May, race riots erupted in Oldham and three other northern British cities when mainly Asian immigrants attacked white-owned shops and bars, burned cars and beat up cops and civilians alike. Some whites fought back, and none too gently. Last week much the same kind of violence blew up again in Bradford, also in the north, with more than 100 police officers injured in the course of nine hours of Asian rioting.

    The BNP, a small fringe party that opposes non-white immigration and wants to encourage non-whites already in Britain to leave, ran candidates in all the cities where riots broke out—and won its largest returns to date. The party holds no seats in Parliament or anywhere else, but its national leader, a Cambridge lawyer named Nick Grifffin, did wind up with some 16 percent of the vote in Oldham. For a political system in which the two establishment parties hold a virtual monopoly on office-holding, that’s enough to be scary, and some are calling for the party to be banned. That would eliminate a possible future rival that not only challenges conventional wisdom about immigration and multiracialism but also could some day take votes from Labour as well as from the mainstream Tories.

    The Washington Post was quick to blame (“Party Stokes Racial Ire In Britain,” July 10, 2001 Page A18) the racial violence on the BNP itself as well as on other far-right groups that were active in the area, but it’s by no means clear that the blame can stick. In fact, blame can just as easily be plastered on a far-left gaggle calling itself the “Anti-Nazi League,” which sponsored rallies in Bradford just before the rioting started.

    But of course it’s the right that always gets the blame, and the Post, as well as British papers, sniffed out the appropriate immigrants to regurgitate the proper responses. “The BNP, they lit one match, two match, and start the fire,” the Post quoted one worthy Oriental gentleman as telling it. But others denied that the BNP did or said anything that Asians didn’t do themselves. It was, after all, the Asians who started the violence, not whites.

    Mr. Griffin, the BNP leader, denies his party had any role in instigating violence and emphatically rejects the idea of violence for political purposes. “Multiracial societies always end in violence,” says Mr. Griffin. “The reason for the trouble in these cities is that racial tension was already there, as it always is in mixed-race societies. Yes, we urge white people to stand up for their rights, but it is the Asians who are burning the cities this summer.”

    Mr. Griffin may not be entirely correct to say that “mixed-race societies” always end in violence. Sometimes they end in despotism, since the rule of force is all that can hold such societies together. There’s a good reason why the empires of ancient times like that of the Romans were both multiracial as well as despotic; it’s the same reason such multiracial conglomerates as the Russian and Habsburg empires were authoritarian in more recent times. The only way to hold different races and cultures together in the same political-territorial unit is by clobbering whoever steps out of line. Those who push for the outlawing of the BNP and similar groups are bringing modern Britain closer to the same outcome.

    In any case, Mr. Griffin is by no means the first to warn that multiracialism breeds results other than peace and tranquillity. “As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding,” the late Conservative political leader Enoch Powell told his countrymen 33 years ago, in warning against non-white immigration into Britain. “Like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood,’” as a consequence of the naive belief in multiracial harmony.

    Powell was politically ruined for his forthright remarks [Peter Brimelow says no!], but what has happened this summer in Oldham, Bradford and elsewhere and promises to recur far into the future as Britain changes from a majority white to a majority non-white society bears out his grim prophecy. Instead of searching for convenient and unpopular political rivals to blame, the British establishment in press and politics—not to mention the United States—ought to pay a little more attention to the warning Powell issued three decades ago, before more blood starts foaming in their country’s rivers.

    when there is trouble they are lumped together as Asians
     
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    And how would you classify the ideology followed by Saudi Arabia and religious restrictions in the Middle Eastern countries?
     
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    Interesting thing in British media when there is trouble everyone is lumped together as Asians, is this from fear of one community???
     
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    That is the danger.

    For the sake of one, all others suffer.
     
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    x2 that's bound to happen to prevent this sole solution is to kick those who fail to comply with the values of the country. I mean its not done how can a particular group support imposing religious law in a country where the majority is of another religion doesn't make sense..
     

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