Should we adopt western definition of secularism

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Should india adopt wetsern definition of secularism

  1. YES it should

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  2. No its should continue with owns

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  3. Crap. Scrap reiligon at all

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  1. anoop_mig25

    anoop_mig25 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Hi should we adopt western definition of secularism.i.e separation of state from religion . I think that could solve problem of favoursim to particular religion
     
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    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    'That' secularism is labelled communalism in India



    Rejection of Uniform Civil Code.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Western concept if secularism cannot apply because of the various divides in india. Religion is but one of them. There should not be a Dalit or Brahman party or govt, there should not be a XYZ region or language party or govt and off course religion. Secularism in India has to encompass all such divides. Separation of the state from the church as they say is not the only thing in India when we have people wanting to form Dalit or Brahman govt and what not.

    Any identity Politcs in India is "communal" because of the many divides in India. Any govt based on any identity is communal.
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    @Yusuf will you stop twisting words to suit your needs?:rolleyes: Secularism is separation of state and church and nothing else. Full stop. How did you manage to bring people forming parties in basis of languages/states into that? Wth you are suggesting something unconstitutional.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Anything divisive is unconstitutional.
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    About the topic. Yeah cowards that's what defeatist idiots will do. Run and cower behind something. Billions of Hindus converted by a few thousand missionaries- your solution ban the conversions and cover behind like losers instead of using your organised effort to convert em back.


    Muslims voting as en block to receive favors and twisting the word Secularism? Your solution cover behind like losers and talk about theoretical jargon and banning of favors?:frusty:


    Ever thought of taking advantage of the same rule like Muslims and xtians do? How about you voting en block for gaining favors? What stopped you lot? Justify voting to get favor and tolerance under the sham Secularism yourself! Why are you plying by one sided stupid rules heavily tilted against you anyway??


    You people just disgust me and re-inforce that Hindus are cowards and losers:frusty:

    PS: no offence to OP. Just making a general statement.
     
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    Non sequitor logic. Bs logic and Wth not. It did not even say where it is given it is unconstitutional to have region used parties? Why I am pretty sure tat your suggestion to ban regional parties are unconstitutional . And again- even a religious party is not unconstitutional. Only thing unconstitutional is giving out does and favor for a religious sect:rolleyes:


    What do you think is the meaning of republic and multi party democracy then?:rolleyes:
     
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    How do we know that the Secularism mentioned in the constitution is not based on the western definition in the first place? Maybe we have been misinterpreting it all this while. Unless explicitly mentioned by the people who added the word to the constitution isn't it wrong to assume any definition of the word other than the literal one?
     
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    I heard of dalit parties and messiahs of dalits, yadav parties and messiahs of yadava, muslim parties and messiahs of muslims. I am yet to see a brahmin party and messiahs of brahmins. Who are they?
     
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    hindudtva troll incoming!! :O
     
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    So anybody who has concern for welfare of Hindus is "Hindudtva"...wow Sirji tussi great ho!
     
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    Secularism in the Indian context is respecting others beliefs.
     
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    Who did you think forms the major bulk of central govt , majority of state govts and major bulk of bureaucracy??:eyebrows:


    And how many lower caste PMs ave we had in a nation of 80%+ lower castes? You will have your answer to who the messiah of Brahmins are;)


    Again- social stratification under the name of left retardism -limousine liberals/champagne socialists. Who do you think they are?
     
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    What is the Western concept of secularism?
     
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    Wat about respect for native beliefs then?:rolleyes:
     
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    Division between state and religion
     
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    Do you mean states be divided on the basis of religion?
     
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    No, not that state^^

    State as a country in general.

    So there should not be a state religion or something like that.
     
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    I thought the context behind respecting others beliefs was that you are respecting the human behind those beliefs :namaste:


    :eek:fftopic:
    Guys why do I get the impression that caste problems in South are worse than North.Mostly I assumed that because literacy is higher in South they would be less casteist but during these few weeks I have read quite a few threads which were pretty rough and people were fighting like animals :confused: For most of the time I thought it was the North because of all the illiterate people.
     
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    Any suckular retard thinking about pandering to religious idiots should first think about what happened whence such things happened-


    1. Medieval Europe

    2. Medieval India

    3. Post renaissance Islamic world.

    The third one requires a special mention. When the state stopped listening to religious idiots, Islamic world was among the fore runners of the science and progress. But then , just when Europe had its renaissance and separation of church and state, Islamic world started becoming pious than though and now you can see the state of Islamic world and secular Europe/west.


    And contrary to popular belief, many of the self proclaimed strict seculars here are actually poly communal retards who think pandering to religious sects equals Secularism. These retards are sure to take our country back to medieval era and make it an Islamic caliphate.


    That said, if pandering to religious sects is what will be followed, let the pandering be done to my community- the Hindus. Lets have a equal treatment of us:thumb:
     
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