Should the maratha caste get reservations ??

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Sould maratha caste get reservations ?

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  1. ashdoc

    ashdoc Senior Member Senior Member

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    The stage is set for a confrontation between the Other Backward Classes (OBC) and Maratha community that is seeking inclusion in OBC for purpose of reservations in education and jobs. The existing OBCs are opposing this move of the state government as they do not want to share the OBC pie with Marathas.

    In this light, the public hearing to be held in the city on Saturday by a special committee headed by industry minister Narayan Rane assumes more importance. Representatives of the opposing communities are expected to put up their views strongly before the Rane committee that will hear them at Ravi Bhavan from 2pm onwards.

    The Maratha reservation issue is hanging fire for last five years ever since the state backward classes commission headed by Justice (retd) Bapat submitted its report to the state government on July 28, 2008. Six months later it was referred to a cabinet subcommittee to study the issue in detail. The subcommittee sought additional information but by then Justice Bapat's term had expired. Later, Justice (retd) Saraf took over as the commission head. His tenure was short-lived as he died on May 15, 2012. This was followed by appointment of Justice (retd) Bhatia as head of the commission.

    To examine the fresh information provided by the backward classes' commission, the state set up a high-powered committee headed by Rane. Among its members are revenue minister, minister as well as minister of state for social justice, tribal development minister and additional chief secretary. Pune-based Babasaheb Ambedkar Research and Training Institute managing director is the member-secretary.

    The Rane committee has been asked to study the matter afresh and ascertain the current population figures of Maratha community, its social, education and employment status. As part of the process, views of the public, objections and support, if any, would also be considered before the final report is submitted in three months.

    Shivsangram- an organization supported by the NCP leaders and headed by MLC Vinayak Mete - is lobbying hard in support of reservations for Marathas. At the same time Rashtriya OBC Mukti Morcha led by Nitin Chaudhary is vehemently opposing the move. Chimur MLA Vijay Wadettiwar has voiced his dissent and said in no way the OBCs would allow inclusion of Marathas in the category.

    "The Centre had recommended 27% reservation for OBCs but the state only granted 19%. We do not mind if the Marathas get over and above 19% reservation. They should be placed under a different clause in the category so that interests of the present OBCs are not compromised," Wadettiwar told TOI.



    Rane panel on contentious Maratha quota in Nagpur today - Times Of India
     
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  3. ashdoc

    ashdoc Senior Member Senior Member

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    The maratha caste is an influential caste in Maharashtra and does not deserve reservations .

    Considering that Marathas have been powerful in Maharashtra since the days of Chhatrapati Shivaji and their economic status is better than most castes , giving them reservations will be making mockery of the quota system .
     
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    reservation itself is a mockery:laugh:
    people holding reservations behave as if its their ancestral property and no other person should lay hands on it @ashdoc i agree your point marathas are powerful
     
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  5. Bangalorean

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    No more reservations. Enough is enough. Time to begin rolling back existing reservations.
     
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  6. Tronic

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    yes!!! There should be reservations for all 1.2 billion Indians. Only than will this problem be solved!
     
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    We are expert in dividing people :

    Marathas Vs Dalits
    28 carat Marathas Vs 10 Carat Marthas
    Marathas Vs OBC
    Yadav Vs others OBC like Kurmies
    Forward Muslims Vs Backward Muslims
    Chamar Vs other SC
    Meena Vs other ST

    Tambrahm Vs Other South Brahm

    North Brahm Vs South Brahm
    Tamil Vs Telegu
    Telangana Vs Seemaandhra
    Nagas Vs Maities
    Masities Vs Kukies
    Bodos Vs ASAMES

    Jats Vs Sikhs


    The Political class is intent upon dividing people down to Mother and son...
     
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    Castes like marathas, jats, yadavs, reddys, lingayats, etc are powerful ruling groups and do not deserve to be given reservations in jobs and educational institutions. As for minorities, they are empowered by the Constitution to open institutions that cater to their own people something which Christians have done commendably, a right not given to majority Hindus. In fact it is time to rethink reservation in its current form - roll back reservation to all but SC-ST, and even for SC-ST there should be a time frame for an end to the reservations. Ambedkar, himself a Dalit, had initially set a time frame of 10 years for reservations.
     
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    If you try to remove this qouta system which has done no good for the backward communities there will be huge cry from some segment and some politicians who bank up on the system. Atlernative way is to bring all communities. races and ethnic groups under reservation. Problem solved.:drunk:
     
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    Funniest thing you will always see OBCs like Yadavs, Gujjars and Jats alluding to their "Royal" lineage, but when it comes to reservations they claim to be have been discriminated.
     
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    Bring Common Civil Code

    No more reservations...
     
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    Have reservations but keep Total Quota Percentages at single digits
     
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    Why do we need reservations even after 6 decades of independence ? could you please share your thoughts on this ?
     
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    With the whole of India so backward in thought, deed and reality, all should get reservations!

    But if Marthas feel that they are backward and discarded through the span of Hindu/ Vedic/ Indic (tick which is correct) civilisation and are not accepted and would think that they too are Panchamas ("fifth varna"), and Asprushyaits, then sure, they should get reservations!

    I am all for uplifting those who have been taken as 'non people' and not accepted as a part of society, by the unfair caste system.

    Better than reservation and salvation from this caste system is that they should convert to religions that have no such discrimination, so that they are free from the Hindu societal discrimination forever, Reservations too makes one look like second or even third class sects of Hindu society., Quite insulting, if you ask me!
     
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    oh you mean 13% for muslim
    3% for christian
    5% for brahmins.......
    just like an advanced reservation for train,booking a persons future depending on birth

    what an idea sirjee..........................
     
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    reddy community of AP too belongs to shudras..they would definitely love to hear your logic which gives them reservations
     
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    My life has been 3/4 spent with what you call shudras.

    And I am being denied reservations!

    Reddys are discriminated?

    Check Andhra and see how they are discriminating against others by hogging the political scene and business apart from owning huge tracts of land and wealth!

    If that type of milking the society is discrimination, then let us all be discriminated!

    And they howl against Brahmins that the Brahmins are leeches!

    I however do agree that Jaganmohan Reddy (though a convert) is being discriminated.

    He is being discriminated and questioned for his ill gotten wealth. He is discriminated because he is being questioned, but his father who actually laid the golden egg, was never questioned! Double whammy discrimination for him!
     
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    If you see Historically and even present day situation, Brahmins are hardly responsible for caste discriminations in towns and villages, it's the Zamindars and landowners who exploit and treat people like shyt. Brahmins have always acted upon the patronage of these dominant communities.

    Brahmins have been accused by the various groups for who had their own unterior motives. First, British imperialists and evanglists blamed Brahmins with the motive of crak open the Hindu comunity, so that they become sub-servient and converts, then came the leftists with thier design to finish off Hinduism from India. Everybody knows if you take Brahmins out of Hinduism then there are hardly anyone left who knows about Hindu theology. Brahmins gone in combinations of Hindu community beleiving Brahmins are the root cause of their percieved miseries, then whole of Hinduism is a like a lost puppy and out for grabs!

    Hence, to save Hinduism we need to train other castes with theology and other religious rituals and less dependence on Brahmins will eventually save Hindusim. Blamming Brahmins (who are themselves a week section) for everything has been the design of anti-national / anti-Hindu elements for a long time and this will continue, because there is an unfinished business in India for past 1000 yrs!
     
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    reddy's are shudras till the advent of reddy kings who fought ferosiously against muslim invaders when kshyatrias ran away

    i pointed it because you said marathas are shudras long back.

    no one can dare now to call a maratha shudra in maharashtra,redy a shudra in Andhrapradesh.i think you got my point thjat reservations be given on current scenarios rather than great great grand fathers agony
     
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    because they need to make some one a scape goat,who can not fight back and submit- fits for Brahmin community.even Brahmins are responsible to a large extent for discrimination basing on caste
     
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    First of all, if Reddys were Kings, then they could be not have discriminated at all. This is an ideal example of what is called Oxymoron,

    I have never called Marathas sudras since I know Maharashtra rather well, having lived my early life in that State as also having Maharashtrian relations and having served lifelong with Maharashtrian troops. So, let your biased imagination not run wild.

    I regret you don't understand the concept and rationale of 'reservation'.

    It is not anti Brahmanism that is the litmus state, but social discrimination that is inherent in the caste system of the Hindus.

    If it was anti Brahamansim, then all but Brahmins qualify.Do they?

    Then it was extended to phony economic deprivations for political reasons by the crafty VP SIngh, another pretender to being a Raja as Digvijay Singh!

    Neither the Reddys, Kammas or Kappus or the Marathas qualify in any way to be bestowed this honour (sic!) of getting reservations because of being low caste or economically deprived!

    It is this half baked knowledge that you display that is the bane of Indian society and attempts to right the wrongs!

    Maybe I am wrong, Could you explain the rationale behind the qualifications for a community/ caste to get this coveted tag of 'reservations' that is synonymous to Khulja Sim Sim for Alli Baba and his Chalis Chors?
     
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