Should the Defence Minister be from the Armed Forces ?

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Should the Defence Minister be from the Armed Forces or atleast have served in them ?

  1. Yes, that's the logical move

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  2. No..let the current setup continue

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  3. No idea whatsoever.

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  1. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    Given the recent episode of bureaucratic skullduggery, the unholy babu-neta nexus stifling Army modernisation process and grievances of armed personnel not given a ear...is it time for a rule/law that the Defence minister should be from the Armed forces or atleast should have served in the Army thus preventing illiterate scumbags with no knowledge of defence matters being put in charge of nation's defence ?


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    I personally think it is time for such a rule. It will not only develop synergy between the Armed forces and the Govt but also help the Govt focus,prioritize on issues that are crucial for the national defence.
     
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    I don't think it is as "logical" to say yes to a military man being te defense minister unless offcourse he is elected under the current system of democracy we have. The question and the yes answers to it sounds more like an emotional fallout of the scandal but such decisions can be anything but emotional. The army prefers to stay away from "civilian offices".

    My vote was a no to the question asked.
    But yes a lot can be done to keep the armed forces and the MoD in sync and on the same page.
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    then railway ministry should be selected from railways :p
     
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    How about picking coal miners for the coal ministry?

    [sarcasm]
     
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    There has to be greater interaction between the MoD and the armed forces. The bureaucrats are to be blamed too.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The defence minister need not be an ex military officer but he should have some idea about how the defence works.

    The Railway Minister has a Railway board to assists him, but in the Defence Ministry, it is the Secretary MOD who is the ears and eyes and so the Minister is blind.

    It maybe of interest to note what the Railways Minister Mr Trivedi had to say about the Railways

     
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    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    The solution is to build trust, the politicians in early days were in perpetual fear of army taking over, due to which they allowed continuous degradation (in ranks) for the armed forces in the civilian set up. But our army is professional not terrorists in uniform like our Western neighbor.

    What is needed is that armed forces opinion are given more weight age in strategic decisions.
     
  9. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    Though the recent episode played a role in my thought process ,it was not based on that alone.

    For example when we have ministers who are from an army background there can be a better understanding , prioritization of things than others, say for example Mulayam Singh, are the defence minister. They give importance to things which may not necessarily be conducive for the defence preparedness of the country. AK Anthony alleged fetish for honesty has left our arty forces in a limbo with even Pak drawing ahead of us in that dept.

    I'm sure if we had a DM from an Army background there would have been a much better understanding of how things ought to be done and how defence preparedness is not sacrificed in the altar of honesty or politics.
     
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    Keep politics out the defence matters and anyone can be the defence minister.

    The last thing one needs is politicising the armed forces!
     
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    Bureaucrats use a derogatory term for incompetent ministers

    " The minister will be eating out of our hands "

    Basically we need competent and capable people who understand issues in their entirety
    and can answer tough questions to the babus

    The present Defence minister is literally eating out of the hands of Defence ministry bureaucrats

    Mr Antony doesnt look like having a mind of his own
     
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    Not really necessary. It would be ideal that there be group of advisors drawn from the Three Forces who will work in an advisory capacity to the Def. Min.
    The main job of these advisers would be to act as a bridge between the Executive and the Armed Forces. Also they could guide the Bureaucrats through the technical jargon.
     
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    That advisory team is the CDS, but the Govt, guided by the bureaucrats, want it to be toothless!
     
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    CDS will never happen in India as the government and the entire political class consider
    it as appointing a military man for effecting a military COUP

    They dont trust the military
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Without a CDS, India will fight wars they way they have fought always.

    Each Service operate as it perceives and rarely in synchromesh!
     
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    Not possible to implement practically. A minister in parliament has to be elected by the people. That is the cornerstone of democracy, and it cannot be wished away.

    The only way to enforce such a rule is if retired military officers fight elections, win elections, are part of the winning party at the end, and are also given defence ministry at the end of it!! Not practical.
     
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    So when we are having our next poll .......

    Should the Prime Minister be from the Armed Forces or atleast have served in them ?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    You won't find many.

    PM and politics is reserved for those who find it is too difficult a life to lead in the Army when it is safer to be self styled intellectual and foreign degree certified brains or be downright criminals ensuring victory!
     
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    At the same time. I would say look at Khanduri, a Maj Gen in the Engineers in the NDA Govt and a Minister for Highways or whatever.

    Whatever little you see of the Golden Quadrilateral or whatever which has connected India with six lane Highways is because of him! He ensured the same.

    Once the NDA lost, the so called Highway plan has been crawling and so has the rural connectivity that is so essential to lift the rural areas in so far as development and income is concerned!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    And the best part, is that the corruption ridden govt of Uttarakhand had to bring him back as the CM.

    He is not popular with the echelons since he demands action and sacks those who don't deliver.

    Not quite a safe political way in a country where the motto is Jo ho, so ho! and lethargy and corruption taken as birthright!
     
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    Jaswant Singh was Defence Minister in ABV government. He was army officer in the Indian Army.

    B.C. Khanduri is CM of Uttrakhand. He served for Indian army for 36 years. He might become MoD in future if BJP comes in power. Although he doesn't have enough support. But He is honest, may be that's why he is CM.

    So, Practically possible. But only after winning election and becoming important leader.
     

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