Should the cow be slaughtered?

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Should the cow be slaughtered?

  1. Strictly No whatsoever maybe the case

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  2. Yes lift all restrictions

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  3. Only on medical/economic grounds, not for meat.

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  1. Bachchu Yadav

    Bachchu Yadav Regular Member

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    BJP governments is on roll to protect Cow from slaughtering. Even MP government has imposed 7 year jail if slaughter a cow. In India, you can slaughter a goat, a sheep , a buffalo but not Cow. Because Cow is sacred cow dear to brahmins , Even some one proclaim urine of cow has anti cancerous property ( I don't know why they didn't try of buffalo or goat). OK.

    I have tens of cows and buffaloes back at my home. From my experience , Cows are real burden on face of farmers.If cows become old or didn't yielding even a kilo of milk. Now question arises , What to do with such cows. Government bans their slaughtering. Some poor farmers have to make a choice between his offspring and 'holy' Cows, whom to feed. Farmers simply disown cows. Now group of these disowned cows become very big, usually harming their farm fields by eating crops.

    Moreover India has low yielding cattle or tea cup cows. Apply here simple logic of Darwin, If old and unyielding cows can be slaughtered , health cows will get more food, hence more milk production ,means decent money in the hand of farmers. More ever meat production can rise in India which can exported to gulf countries as India has more than 220 million cows.

    But RSS led BJP has making condition of farmers worse because it's voters (mostly city dwellers) do not own a cow and do not the pain. Here poor farmers are giving subsidy to BJP 's luxuaries.
     
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  3. Son of Govinda

    Son of Govinda Regular Member

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    The cow is not dear to Brahmins... it is dear to Krishna and anyone who follows the Vedas.

    This is Speciesism at it's finest. Those farmers have the capacity to fence their own legal property away from outside wildlife such as cows. Don't leave farmland completely open and wonder why cows roam onto it and start grazing.

    As for sick cows and dying cows... farmers are expected to take responsibility in good times and bad times. Disowning or killing something when it no longer becomes useful to you is called species exploitation. You bought the animal, now take care of it.

    There are thousands upon thousands of worthless and useless people who do nothing with their lives, yet we try maintain them at any cost whatsoever......
    If you're gonna bring Darwin into this why not apply Social Darwinism amongst humans as well then?
     
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    Independent : How India's Sacred Cows Are Beaten, Abused And Poisoned To Make Leather

    Very relevant question Yadavji.

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    They are huge but very docile. The native breed is creamy white in colour, with a distinctive hump. Sometimes a pious Hindu can be seen feeding a roadside cow with a carrot or chappati. Rarely are they the butt of anger or impatience.

    And a fleeting appraisal from the comfort of a tour bus might suggest that India's cows have survived the country's patchy modernisation unscathed. But a campaign to be launched tomorrow by People for Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta), backed up by The Independent's own investigation, reveals the Indian treatment of its holiest animal as a scandal of cruelty, greed and corruption.

    The cow's special status in India is enshrined in law. With the exception of two states, the slaughter of cows and calves is totally forbidden, whatever the reason and at whatever age. Bulls and bullocks and she-buffaloes are protected up to 15 years of age.

    The arrival of Hindu nationalists in power both at the centre, where they are the leading party in a coalition, and in a number of states, has also enhanced the protection which cows receive. Between 1995 and 1999, the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government of Delhi gave 390 acres of land and more than £160,000 for the setting up of gosadans or shelters for cows.

    But all this apparent reverence and protection masks a trade in cows and cow products which involves unbelievable barbarity and cruelty.

    Much of the abuse stems from the fact that the trade in and slaughter of cows is almost entirely clandestine and illegal - but the authorities which should be stopping it are routinely bribed to let it continue. There is, therefore, no scrutiny or regulation of the trade anywhere along the line.

    Although Hindus hold the cow in special esteem, and Jains regard all life as so sacred that they try to avoid hurting insects, investigations show that all India's major communities are complicit in the cruel treatment of cows.

    Hindu farmers allow their cows to be taken for slaughter. Muslims butcher them using primitive techniques in appalling conditions. Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, Muslims and Christians all profit.

    And because much Indian beef finds its way to the Middle East and Europe from Kerala and Bangladesh - "we took up a lot of the slack from Britain caused by mad cow disease," says one authority - and leather products made from Indian cow hide are sold in High Street shops such as Gap, the British consumer is also unknowingly benefiting from the abuse.

    Thanks to the lobbying of Hindu nationalists, the slaughter of cows has been banned in all Indian states and territories except West Bengal, in the north-east, and Kerala in the far south. One result of this is secret, hole-in-the-wall cow abattoirs dotted around the country, especially in Muslim quarters of towns and cities. But the main result is an appalling traffic of cattle.

    "There is a huge amount of trafficking of cattle to both West Bengal and Kerala," said Mrs Gandhi, Minister of Social Justice and Empowerment in the present government and a veteran campaigner against animal abuse of all sorts. "The ones going to West Bengal go by truck and train and they go by the millions. The law says you cannot transport more than 4 per truck but they are putting in up to 70. When they go by train, each wagon is supposed to hold 80 to 100, but they cram in up to 900. I've seen 900 cows coming out of the wagon of a train, and 400 to 500 of them came out dead."

    The trade exists because of gross corruption, Mrs Gandhi says. "An illegal organisation called the Howrah Cattle Association fakes permits saying the cattle are meant for agricultural purposes, for ploughing fields or for milk. The stationmaster at the point of embarkation gets 8,000 rupees per train-load for certifying that the cows are healthy and are going for milk.

    "The government vets get X amount for certifying them as healthy. The cattle are unloaded just before Calcutta, at Howrah, then beaten and taken across to Bangladesh by road. Bangladesh, which has no cows of its own, is the biggest beef exporter in the region. Between 10,000 and 15,000 cows go across that border every day. You can make out the route taken by the trucks by the trail of blood they leave behind."

    Even more horrifying is the transport of cows to the abattoirs on the border of Kerala in the extreme south of the peninsula. Mrs Gandhi says, "On the route to Kerala they don't bother with trucks or trains: they tie them and beat them and take them on foot, 20,000 to 30,000 per day." All Kerala's slaughter houses are on the border. "Because they have walked and walked and walked the cattle have lost a lot of weight, so to increase the weight and the amount of money they will receive, the traffickers make them drink water laced with copper sulphate, which destroys their kidneys and makes it impossible for them to pass the water - so when they are weighed they have 15kg of water inside them and are in extreme agony."

    Ingrid Newkirk, President of Peta, followed one of the caravans of cattle stumbling towards Kerala. "It's a hideous journey," she writes in the forthcoming issue of Animal Times, Peta's journal. "To keep them moving, drivers beat the animal across their hip bones, where there is no fat to cushion the blows. The cows are not allowed to rest or drink. Many cows sink to their knees. Drivers beat them and twist their battered tails to force them to rise. If that doesn't work they torment the cows into moving by rubbing hot chilli peppers and tobacco into their eyes."

    When they finally make it to the slaughterhouses that stand on the Kerala border, the end they confront is unspeakable, Mrs Gandhi says. "In Kerala they also have a unique way of killing them - they beat their heads to a pulp with a dozen hammer blows. A well-intentioned visitor from the West, trying to improve slaughterhouse practice in Kerala, exhorted them to use stun guns, saying that the meat of an animal killed in this fashion (rather than having its throat slit) tasted sweeter. The stun guns that she left behind quickly broke and fell into disuse, but the belief that the meat was sweeter took hold - which explains this horrible method of slaughtering."

    The sentimental attitude towards animals prevalent these days in the West is alien to traditional India, as to the rest of Asia. But respect and reverence for all life is fundamental to Hinduism - most Hindus are vegetarians even today - and the prevailing attitude is enshrined in the Gandhian word ahimsa, "do no harm".

    Yet greed, poverty, ignorance and absence of regulation and supervision have brought India's cows to the point where their treatment is on the threshold of becoming a major international scandal.

    At root it is a political issue. The ban on cow slaughter has been a fundamental plank of the Hindu nationalists for many decades - but a plank with which to bash cow-eating and cow-slaughtering Muslims, not to improve the lot of the actual cows. The apparent beneficiaries of the agitation, the cows, were of mainly symbolic importance.

    How India's sacred cows are beaten, abused and poisoned to make leather for high street shops - Asia - World - The Independent
     
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  5. Bachchu Yadav

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    1. Vedas teach for upliftment of our lives not creating miseries for others!
    2. Regarding Bold part , I never say sick and dying cows .. I said old and unyielding cows. Some cows are unyielding by birth. Farmers lives on very thin margin(40 % of rural India is still bellow 24 Rs/day), How can they sustain such SUBSIDY to RSS,bajrang dal and VHP . Interesting point, they generally don't own a cow.
     
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  6. Bachchu Yadav

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    Farmers disown a cow when it become unbearable any more to them. Buffalo and goat can earn him money but not Cow. Do you know what happen to disowned or stray cows? They die with hunger and thirst !. Man ! unslaughtering is cruel to cows and also cruel to farmers.
     
  7. Son of Govinda

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    So do ancient Greek texts... and they both advocate a decent attitude towards all species but especially cows because they were considered the staple of agriculture. Cows were a sacred animal in ancient Greece to.

    Sick, Dying, Old, Useless, Unyielding... it's all the same... if you're gonna take ownership/responsibility for/of an animal when it is profitable for you, and disown/kill it when it becomes a burden it's still called species exploitation. Farming profits should be based on engineering and innovation in Agriculture not species exploitation.
     
  8. Son of Govinda

    Son of Govinda Regular Member

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    And btw I'm standing up for all animal rights not just cows. Cows are the most exploited of all animals though.... milk... leather... beef.... it's horrible.

    and that last part made me laugh my ass off btw.
     
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  9. Bachchu Yadav

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    Animal rights!!.. yahan Insaan ko rights nahi hai ... baat karte ho animals ki ..! Koun see duniya main ho bhai jaan ? Amreeka ?

    Sach batana .. are you a non-vegetarian ?
     
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    If the point is that they are banned for slaughter so that they are not consumed, they should be put to death on "humane" grounds and buried. That much can be done.
     
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    I'm a complete vegetarian because I oppose Speciesism and animal exploitation. A lot of you modern meat eaters try to justify your meat eating by saying "It's natural, our ancestors did it!" well no... people did not start systematically exploiting animals until about 4000-3000 years ago. Hunting an animal is one thing, exploiting it because it allowed you to domesticate it is entirely different.

    You still haven't answered my question btw: If you're going to apply Darwins laws to animal exploitation, why not apply social Darwinism as well then? There are many weak people who do nothing for themselves or the world and yet we try to maintain them at any cost, why is that?
     
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    Now this is something much more workable. If a cow was sick, unhealthy, old, frail etc Euthanasia is definitely appropriate.
     
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    SoG,

    West is full of paradoxes and hypocrites.

    They don't mind going to war and killing millions of people and then talk about humanity. How many died in the world wars? How many since?

    The consumption of meat is a natural phenomenon. Man was born an omnivore. When the rules of the jungle was applicable to him as well and it was the survival of the fittest.

    And if you are a vegetarian, don't you consider trees as living beings? This topic has been discuses till boredom. Please search and find the thread.
     
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    If you look at my post above, I differentiate between meat eating and modern meat eating.

    I'm not one of those crazy Jains that believes in the sanctity of all absolute life... I just advocate the idea that we should stop ruthlessly exploiting domesticated species for our own benefit, it extends far beyond diet believe me. Diet is just the foundation of the exploitation.
     
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    And yes trees are living beings, that's why I advocate taking only what we need and not exploiting their position either.
     
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    It's inevitable as powerful species make use of others. Man has been exploiting man. What to say of animals. By the same means, man has been exploiting the entire planet, sucking out natural resources, global warming. We can talk about all kinds of exploitation.
     
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    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    If I'm hungry, i'm sorry, that cow gotta go.
     
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    ....to poop...:rotflmao:
     
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    That cow will be pooped out, indeed.
     
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    There are justifications for being vegetarian and for eating meat. Human beings are made to be omnivorous by nature, moreover in really cold regions there is no vegetation for large part of the year so one has to eat the flesh of animals or fish at some point to survive.

    Not hurting animals and other living beings has been a part of Sanatana dharma's ethos right from the beginning. Human beings are not considered the be-all and end-all of God's creation, rather taking human form is to be considered a golden opportunity to attain `moksha`. Again, not eating meat is imposed only for Brahmins AFAIK, no restriction on other castes. Practically consider the cost of providing meat-fish to such a large population as India.If all of India were to become non-vegetarian, we would probably be eating cats and dogs as well to fulfil the needs of such a humongous population. Any wildlife that is still left in this country probably survived also due to not all Indians being non-vegetarians. Even though many scholars and others refer sources that indicate that eating beef is known to have been there in ancient India, the fact is that many sacred texts refer to cow as `gau mata` and `go hatya` is considered as much a sin as killing a human being.

    As for eating beef or exporting the same, the 220 million purported cattle are more in the nature of milch cows not bred for meat so I dont know if Indian beef is such a good idea.
     
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    Farmers are committing suicides by the tens of thousands, you think they can afford fencing enough to keep out cows? :confused:
     
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