Should muslim nations have only dictators ??

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Should muslim nations have only dictators ??

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  1. ashdoc

    ashdoc Senior Member Senior Member

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    Events in the Middle east leads one to wonder if muslim nations deserve only dictators . After all the Arab spring is evolving into nothing but islamic fundamentalism .

    The dictators , brutal as they were at least kept the rising tide of islamic fundamentalism in check .

    Whats your opinion ??
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    This is a modern day crusades happening it is Islam vs Christianity all over again.
    The original crusades had a religious basis and so do these wars with an economic
    and political guise. The only nuclear islamic nation Pakistan kept busy in afghanistan. Strongest shiite nation
    Iran threatened with war, Shiite-sunni division and a destabilized Middle East.
    Arabs repeat this pattern of destabilization every 20 years.
     
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    It's not our place to decide whether muslim countries have dictators or not. Unless they pose a threat to our security, other countries should be free to do whatever they want with their government.
     
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    yes , but it can certainly be discussed on a forum like this .
     
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    That is wimpish thinking. A country's interests are not just dictated by negative external events. An enlightened leadership should actively strive to encourage and bring about positive events as well. Being satisfied that those countries don't currently pose a security threat is not enough, we must actively bring about developments in those countries to make sure that we actually get positive benefits from them.
     
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    In my opinion there should be no such thing as muslim nation or a nation based on religion.
     
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    Certainly seems like it! Islam unlike Christianity has not undergone a Reformation. The West experienced progress only when the shackles of a repressive Church were thrown off and a separation of state and church was affected. Islam OTOH remains unchanged for 1300 years, so what was ok in 7th cent AD is supposed to apply even now. Dictators in Middle East helped keep the lid by repressing all opposition including radical Islamists. OTOH we have the Saudis who practise and propagate a most repressive interpretation of Islam but there is a stable government. So apparently dictators of some sort are the ideal for Middle East/Muslims countries.
     
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    Islam has a strict construct with do's and don'ts clearly enunciated.

    Therefore, there is the mindset attuned to obey those who have greater control and interpretation of the ways of life.

    So, the regimen of Dictators, so long as they are not too harsh, will not face violent opposition. That is how the autocratic Sultans still survive.

    That is why dictators in the Islamic world survived and thrived and it is only the western world that removed them for their own purpose. Sadly, democracy that was thought to enlighten the Islamic world by toppling dictators has only given way to greater chaos and strife.
     
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    muslim majority countries should have a union like eu
    and discuss all the matter together

    but now many muslim countries are expanding there military with Iran another potential nuclear power

    i guess by 2030 things will be pretty much on muslim countries side

    and apart from ksa most of muslim countries will have democracy
     
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    you mean to say UAE, QATAR,OMAN and creator of Arabs,Ghaazi pakistan will have democracy ?????
     
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    But isn't KSA the epicenter of Islam?
    How can we call the marriage of democracy and muslims complete when the core itself is courting autocracy?

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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Good observation.

    And yet.........!!

    The general question to all, since Farahan feels democracy is soon to envelope the Islamic Nations.

    What would Islamic Republic mean? Most nations practicing Islamic ways have this as their Official preamble to the National State statement.

    And how is the practice of Sharia as a legal instrument for all citizens, irrespective of religious choice, be termed as?

    I am yet to see a Christian Republic or a Buddhist Republic or even a Hindu Republic as the preamble to their National State statement!
     
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    That will be the day.

    Even Pakistan is subjected to the Mullah diktats.

    And sectarian killings!

    Where the CJ shows that Parliament passed Laws are subordinate to his Rulings without declaring the Law, without reason, ultra vires!

    Democracy?

    Some democracy indeed!
     
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    well i would want the thread starter to mention those events because of whom he wants muslim countries to have dictatorship
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    well you have seen the judiciary system of pak.they even sacked the prime minister
    while the president could not do anything

    the media is so free that ever if Indian media approached to that standard the day you guys will be super power

    for all the brainwashing of you guys.responsible is your media

    anyway

    majority of muslin countries has even democracy at present and many more under process
     
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    It is not a question of the thread starter wanting.

    It is the Gospel Truth that Islamic countries are attuned to a strong hand to give guidance - call it dictatorship, Sultans or whatever.

    Wherever there are attempts to have democracy, it has floundered. Iraq and Pakistan are good examples. They are the most unstable countries of the world. They are still seeking their identities, let alone anything more substantive!
     
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    Odd that you gloat about the CJ sacking the PM.

    I am afraid that is what I am saying.

    You all have no idea of democracy and all you understand is strong handling and without rationale.

    That is why you are most comfortable with military dictatorship.

    You have not even read my post or understood law.

    No CJ or Court can sack anyone if it does not contravene a Law promulgated by the Parliament.

    The Parliament is SUPREME. It is VOX POPULI, VOX DEI.

    The Supreme Court can solely interpret the Law and if Constitutional Provisions have been violated can throw the law out.

    In the case of PM Gilani, he was perfunctorily thrown out without any commentary of any violation of the Law passed by the Parliament or violation of the Constitution.

    That is Dadagiri.

    And why is no one making noise?

    It is because none has the guts in Pakistan to taken on the heavy hand that has guided Pakistan all through - the Army!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Really?

    Name some.
     
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    well Pakistan is unstable from the past few years.
    2006onwards

    you can compare pak past with India example with thousands of deaths in single riots be it the Sikh genocides for khalistan movement or the gujrat riots

    stability in Pakistan is related to the govt and the step they should take

    all these are temporary problems
     

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