Should India buy Brazilian Super Tucano light attack trainer??

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  1. palash_kol

    palash_kol Regular Member

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    EMB 314 / A-29 Super Tucano
    Role: Counter-insurgency and pilot training
    Manufacturer: Embraer
    First flight: June 2, 1999
    Introduction: 2003
    Status: In service
    Primary users: Brazilian Air Force
    Colombian Air Force
    Ecuadorian Air Force
    Chilean Air Force
    Number built: 88
    Unit cost: $9 million[2]
    Developed from: Embraer EMB-312 Tucano

    Hey Guys.....for couple of months I been thinking about Super Tucan light attack trainer for some reason:
    1. It is cheap in cost.
    2. Very fine n attractive design.
    3. It can be used as attack and armed reconnaissance aircraft.
    4. It can be very helpful in Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh area for reconnaissance.
    5. It can intercept and destroy low performance aircraft.
    6. It can be used as counter insurgency operations.
    7. It has inraeli avionics and weapons.
    8. It has very attractive weapon package.
    9. Last but not least....USA also leased a Super Tucano for evaluation.

    What are your thoughts???...guys.....
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    (Exam going on.......I will be back after 2 days.....cheers:113::bye:)
     
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  3. shiv

    shiv Regular Member

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    the same thing if not better can be done by our hjt-36's i am sure but alas they are in development.

    and palash why do you think the modern indian air force needs a propeller driven trainer instead of a jet one?
     
  4. SATISH

    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    Shiv,
    Prop driven aircrafts have their own advantages. They are easy to maintain and can have a longer endurance time. They can be slow and hence will have more loitering capability. They can take off and land nearly anywhere and everywhere. Minimal training is required. better handling. Good for counter insurgency. And hey the first kill in Vietnam was made by Skyhawk not an F4 phantom.
     
  5. F-14

    F-14 Global Defence Moderator Senior Member

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    kumar sahib the Sky hawk was a jet powered Fighter-bomber the plane you are talking about is the A-1 Sky raider
     
  6. johnee

    johnee Elite Member Elite Member

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    EDIT: Why cant we procure this Brazilian Super Tucano light attack trainer, reverse engineer it and use the tech to improve HJT 36? or some other aircraft?

    PS: I am weak in avionics so, spare my ignorance......
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    Sorry mate it was the Skyraider I got mixed up I guess. First thing to type right after I got out of bed. Forgive my ignorance.
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    What jet mate?...
     
  9. F-14

    F-14 Global Defence Moderator Senior Member

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    johnee we put the Glass Cockpit of the Super Tucano in to the LAC or the HJT -36 if we want to and besides we can Buy this for our Stage I traning of our Flight cedets
     
  10. threadbrowser

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    They are said to be good for CAS as they are slow enough to accurately hit insurgents even if they are very close to friendly troops.
    Also as the OP said, cheap and easy to maintain with extended loitering capability. Just the thing for supporting our soldiers when they are out patrolling in the mountains and naxalite infested jungle areas.

    I remember a comment by OOE that western recon patrols carried their firepower in their radios but indian patrols carried it on their backs. Maybe such cheap CAS options are what we need to change this.
     
  11. palash_kol

    palash_kol Regular Member

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    Among the turboprop propeller aircrafts, I am the fan of Super Tucano.......
    threadbrowser mate......You are absolutely correct.....They are cheap to operate and useful for insurgency operation. I am providing some other pictures. I am sure you guys will love it.

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  12. palash_kol

    palash_kol Regular Member

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    Also System and Equipments installed in the super tucano are simply marvelous......

    * Armored Cab
    * CMFD / HUD / UFCP / Hotas
    * OBOGS (oxygen generation system)
    * Radio V/UHF M3AR Series 6000 (DataLink system for transmitting and receiving data secure)
    * FLIR AN/AAQ-22 StarSAFIRE II (optical and infrared sensor)
    * NVG ANVISA-9 (glasses for night vision)
    * CCIP / ACOR / DTOS (fire control systems)
    * HMD (helmet mounted on the display) (optional)
    * Laser Range Finder (laser telemeter) (optional)
    * Chaff & flare system (optional)
    * System training virtual arms and sensors
    * Camera and video recorder digital
    * Stormscope WX-1000E (weather mapping system)
    * INS / GPS (integrated system for navigation)
    * Autopilot
    * Seat eject Martin-Baker Mk 10LCX zero / zero
    * Brake for diving
    * Air Conditioning
    * Lighthouse of search

    Armaments already in use.

    * Guns: (2x) FN Herstal M3P 12.7 mm (.50 in) (internal in the wings)
    * Cannon: (1x) pod of 20 mm cannon (under the fuselage)
    * Rockets: (4x) pods of rocket launchers for 70 mm
    * Bombs: Mk 81 or Mk 82 (general use), BLG-252 (grenade launchers), or Griffin Lizard (laser guided)
    * Air-Air Missile: (2x) AIM-9L, MAA-1 Piranha, Python 3 and Python 4
    * Air-surface missiles: (2x) AGM-65
    * Stations of weapons: has a total of 5 points (two on each wing and one under the fuselage)
     
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    Why cant we procure them and reverse engineer them to start producing our own 'indigeneous' stuff? Why doesnt India reverse-engineer?
     
  14. jackprince

    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    You want us to become like China?!!!

    because we don't usually reverse-engineer everything we get our hands on, we are offered many kinds of latest technology by the original companies. When china gets their Su-33 deal scrapped, India hardly had had to face such action. Also, reverse-engineering = copying doesn't open the way of innovation and invention. A copy-specialist will always look for easiest way to get a tech. - by copying; but his effort in building will be severely hampered for the same reason too.
     
  15. shiv

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    whatever the validity of the above observations,there is a reason that the race upgraded to jet powered engines.if you guys want cas then the avenger is the plane for you not this taco with cheese.

    i like archery very much,but that doesnt mean that i should equip the army with bows and quivers
     
  16. John

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    i think its a waste buying it because we already have what could be the best trainer in the world, the LCA mk-1 is ideal as a supersonic fighter trainer, we should simply order about 60 or so for IAF's fighter pilot's last leg of training, it can fire Russian weapons, Indian weapons and French weapons, bombs, missiles etc. which is ideal for our pilots. Besides the LCA mk-1 can still perform better than the Mirage. Its a waste going for a new light trainer which will only increase the complexity of operating another type. With large scale production of LCA mk-1 we can also sell it as a supersonic trainer to the rest of the world, it would have no comparison.
     
  17. palash_kol

    palash_kol Regular Member

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    Of course, we are expecting for LCA trainer.:thank_you2:

    But LCA cant be deployed in large number and its life cycle cost is more than Super Tucano....
    Can you expect LCA can be deployed for anti-insurgency operation??? never...
    But super tucano can do that very well for its low speed and low operating cost....
    If you consider the cost of LCA and Super Tucano - 25 Mil $ and 9 mil $.
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  18. K Factor

    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    Would be a great cheap tool to hunt Maoz :2guns: in jungle territory where threat of MANPADS isn't there.
    I think its optimized for CI operations. :)
     
  19. palash_kol

    palash_kol Regular Member

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    me agree too....
     
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    palash_kol Regular Member

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    John.....Super tucano is in its class. You cant just compare it with others. Yes, we need MQ-9 Reaper and Fire scout helicopter. But you cant get the advantages of super tucano. Its main advantages lies in its avionics, weapons and its super pilot visibility. No other COIN aircraft can provide as much as super tucano ca...:2guns: This is why USA also considering it for use in insurgency operations.
     

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