Shortcomings of DRDO and other Defence Organizations

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  1. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    The title makes it obivious about what this thread is about, we all know the huge short comings in DRDO.

    Let alone parts of the Missile development program(MDP). Almost everything else is either stuck perpetually or abandoned.

    Many projects that would be considered easy even in small island states like Singapore, we end up spending millions to buy like the TAR rifles from Israel or a Howitzer which are pretty much the lower rungs of Defense development and mandatory for a large nation such as India.

    So where is it going wrong, what are the causes of it and should it be privatized whole sale?
     
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  3. plugwater

    plugwater Elite Member Elite Member

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    They are not a failed organization, They always deliver but one or two decades late :p
     
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    Param Senior Member Senior Member

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    OK just imagine if DRDO started delivering world class products in time. What would happen?

    We wont buy weapons from Russia, Israel, France, Europe or US.

    As a result most of these countries with the exception of US will start selling stuff to China and even Pak.
     
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    Folk hero Regular Member

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    ow do i put it DRDO is not a failed org yet, let's face it our entire defense industrial setup is cr^p and we think it's very organized but it's not.

    where it's going wrong, ask our mod our government they know pretty well but not doing anything about it.

    what are the causes, they don't feel the urgency because we are not in any kind war or cold war so why hurry, because of our government they don't know already in cold war with china and pakistan.

    should it be privatized, no we don't have any effective laws to prevent leaks in our defense industry may in future but not now.
     
  6. SpArK

    SpArK SORCERER Senior Member

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    DRDO is not a failed organisation but a poorly organised organisation.

    When professionalism is induced into it , it can deliver . Now its a reminiscent of a govt office.
     
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    Dovah Untermensch Senior Member

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    Ok dude, what??
     
  8. SpArK

    SpArK SORCERER Senior Member

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    Expectation of a developing country to deliver on par with west.
     
  9. balai_c

    balai_c Regular Member

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    West can keep on developing technology because of substantial investments in the past. Without the critical mass of technology that takes to churn out a mature product, asking to develop mature battle capable technology is ludicrous. And creating that critical mass takes both money and time. And more important, west sticks together. Creating a world beating equipment in a western country is easy,because almost all the critical technology are possessed by them. Why do you think sanction worked against development of Tejas? A very simple example would be if we try to buy a large aerospace company like lets say Boeing. Even if we have buy the company itself, transferring the technology would require government clearance.


    DRDO has many ventures in many fields. Some very visible, some not so visible. A very noteworthy example would be its food laboratories. MRE rations created by DRDO really are a lifesaver. Another very noteworthy example would be electronic warfare. Under DRDO's supervision, the samyukhta electronic warfare system was created, one that is highly appreciated by all arms of armed forces.

    DRDO is a large organization with a very wide spread. It succeeds sometime, while it fails sometime. But calling it a failure would be a bit of a stretch.
     
  10. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    So what can be done to improve the situation? Those who criticize should also give remedies.

    The following are failures by any standards.

    1) Kaveri= Failure

    2)LCA= Partial Failure(no advancement in avionics like radar or engine and many other stuff we know about)

    3)Arjun

    4)Trishul

    5)UAVs we still buy from the outside

    6)Guns we still buy from the outside

    7)???

    Anyone want to add?

    You call that a successful organization?
     
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  11. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    look at the successes, all the missile programs and BMD and radars are successful.
     
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    Param Senior Member Senior Member

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    I would not add BMD.
    I believe its good but no one acknowledges the Israeli input.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Apart from a few missiles most other stuff are failures or partial failures, which push us to buy radars from Israel etc.,

    Not to mention we can only hope those nukes work if ever the need arises. We havent even tested them.
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    They might be tested on supercomputers??
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    That is not close to any real test, they say they test in the lab but In the real world something may go wrong.
     
  16. methos

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    Only Russia, all other of the listed countries don't sell weapons to China following the Tianmen square massacre. And Russia is quite pissed off because China copies their equipment after they bought a small number.
     
  17. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    I always thought NAG was at least one success DRDO could claim... where is it? They work on every project under the sun and finish nothing. Quit wasting time reinventing bug spray and devote resources into strategic technologies. Their portfolio is all over the map.
     
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    People, you need to understand the sanctions India had for decades in terms of critical technology. What DRDO has achieved indigineously still, is something to be proud of. I agree with Spark though, that professionalism should be given more attention.
     
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    I Would not call DRDO A failed Organization after what they have delivered in last 1-2 year's - that was sheer hard work ! one cannot blame DRDO entirely here , Our Policies needed to be Criticized.We need to bring in Private sector to reduce stress on DRDO/HAL and this is need of the time with growing Defence Equipment need in the country and need of more production facilities so that those equipments can be delivered on time.

    we are still a developing Defence industry , More investment is needed in Defence Industry to keep up the growth.Coming back to DRDO's Success/Failure story
    I Would like to mention some of DRDO's success in last Few year's
    Agni-3 - Entered Production
    Agni 4 - Successfully tested
    Shourya and Sagarika - Entered Production
    Prahaar - Success
    BMD - Successful test's of PAD and AAD , Missile's for phase II under development.

    and the Much awaited test of Agni V This month for which they have worked so hard.Failure's are part of Life, even the American's and Russian's had a Long list of Failure's but they converted them into Success story , today being developed defence Industries.

    DRDO has achieved This success partially on their own and Partially with help of Foreign help but this will change as we move forward.
     
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    Policies can change with time.

    Tianamen square is History.

    Don't forget the demands for lifting the EU arms embargo on China.
     
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    This is the one reason which affected Projects like Arjun,LCA
     

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