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The bubble went off 7 YEARS into the Bush presidency, you can't blame the Clinton administration for what happened almost a decade later.

Healthcare is a basic human right, and probably the largest single human right's issue facing 10's of millions of Americans. Yes it might be a drag on the government's funds, though paying for more healthcare would actually be better for the economy overall. There are a few issues worth fighting for, universal healthcare is one that is worth the cost.
Clinton administration allowed writing those subprime contracts. So, who is responsible for that? Republicans and Democrats both supported that system and hence there was no outcry from anyone. A bubble has to burst at some point, sadly for Bush it was in his last year. He too inherited Presidentship in post dot-com bubble burst and then lead the nation to fastest growth for 7 years. But no one remembers it. Btw, Bush took fast measures to contain the recession by passing TARP agreement. Bush was at least decisive in what he wanted to do. Iraq war was probably his only wrong policy.

Human right is a piece of BS. How about human right of future generations which you are going to suppress by piling on unsustainable levels of debt? But probably human rights of next generation do not matter for myopic people!
 
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He didn't spend more on wars than Bush did, that's simply not true. Common sense would also show, that deploying 300,000+ troops to the Middle East would be much more expensive than ordering most of them home.

You can't blame Obama for the Arab Spring, that is just a conspiracy theory, but even if involved, those wars had little to do with the USA directly and certainly didn't cost many American resources and lives. There is a massive difference between those and 100,000's of American troops being deployed.

Oil collapsed due to Saudi's and others over producing, the nation as a whole gained much more from cheap oil prices, then the American manufacturers lost. (no it didn't cost trillions, also factually false)

The bust just in Fracking and natural gas is 2.5 Trillion dollars . Forget offshore drillers and big oil.


http://investmentwatchblog.com/debt...he-dynamics-of-the-oil-price-decline-oil-gas/

The Crash of 2015: Debt in the oil and gas sector surged to $2.5 trillion last year from $1 trillion in 2006… “Greater leverage may have amplified the dynamics of the oil price decline” … Oil & Gas companies face their creditors
 

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@LETHALFORCE @Sylex21 - Before the 2008 recession, having home was also a human right issue in US. It was meant to fulfil the American dream of having a house and so forced govt. to relax regulation on lending in housing market.
 

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Obama has not stopped one Bush war and starts many more Libya,Yemen , Syria,Ukraine , Arab Spring etc... He has spent more on wars in 1 term than Bush did in his whole presidency. Oil also collapsed under Obama crushing one of the few good industries USA had left . That has also costed trillions.
As a FACT Obama is responsible for creation/support for ISIS and the huge Refugee Crisis where EU is suffering.

We all know how the hell this ISIS came of nowhere when US was denied a full invasion of Syria.

Someone who is creating wars in so many countries lectures us on being intolerant.

Spread "Democracy" and get butchered at home... Osama Obama rocks! :lol:
 

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You need to chill out man. I'm not going to play your game of personal attacks on people, just because their opinion differs from mine. Often people learn from healthy debate and differing opinions give people a chance to view things from a new perspective.

I generally don't think it's right to engage in a war of words with my fellow Indian brothers, and I'll leave it at that.
I am chilled.

Calling the "perspective" of others as "absurd" is your strategy so don't start what you can't end.

You need to learn what "healthy debate" is by keeping out immature words and argue based on facts.Your knowledge level is very apparent where you are clearly challenged based on facts by many experienced members now. :lol:
 

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So simply delete the part where you think there is some "attack".

If someone keeps writing factless/ignorant stuff most of the time(Ostritch mode) then it's not our fault to point it out.Many other members have also pointed it out and put some sense into it.
I would prefer to delete the entire post.
 

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Muslim group CAIR evacuates US HQ after getting white powder in mail

http://www.dawn.com/news/1225676/mu...ates-us-hq-after-getting-white-powder-in-mail

WASHINGTON: Muslim advocacy group Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) evacuated its national headquarters on Capitol Hill on Thursday after receiving a letter containing white powder, but staff were later allowed to re-enter after authorities conducted preliminary tests and deemed the substance harmless.

The letter received by CAIR also contained a note that read, "Die a painful death, Muslims," according to staff attorney Maha Sayed.

"Our fear is at a pretty high level at this time, given the anti-Muslim rhetoric going on," said Sayed.

In California, a CAIR branch office in the Bay Area city of Santa Clara, was also evacuated on Thursday after receiving an envelope with an unknown powder inside, CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said.

Further details were not available because local authorities could not immediately be reached.

Law enforcement authorities and Muslim communities around the United States (US) have braced for a rise in anti-Muslim sentiment after Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik shot dead 14 people in California last week. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is investigating the shooting as an act of terrorism.

The presence of white powder in the letter sent to CAIR was reminiscent of the 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people and sickened 17.

The FBI has taken possession of the letter, and will test it further, according to FBI spokesman Andrew Ames.

About three CAIR employees came into contact with the powder and were quarantined in the building while police and firefighters investigated the scene, said group spokesman Hooper, adding that the rest of the office staff waited outside on the sidewalk.

CAIR staff attorney Sayed said on the group's Facebook page that the organisation receives hate messages daily.

"It's frightening to experience the hate manifest itself to such a real level. This will not deter us from continuing to protect the civil rights and liberties of all Americans," Sayed said.

The incident occurred days after Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump proposed temporarily banning Muslims from entering the US, sparking outrage in the nation and around the globe.
 

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Suspected arson attack on California mosque
AFP — Published 24 minutes ago


http://www.dawn.com/news/1225900/suspected-arson-attack-on-california-mosque

LOS ANGELES: Authorities were investigating a case of suspected arson after a blaze broke out at a California mosque on Friday, officials said, a week after a Muslim couple shot dead 14 people in the US state.

Officials at the mosque could not immediately be reached for comment but they were quoted by local media as saying someone “fire-bombed” the building, and worshippers expressed concerns over the incident.
Last year, someone fired a shot at the same mosque but no one was injured.

Firefighters rushed to the Islamic Society of Palm Springs, in the town of Coachella, shortly after smoke and flames were seen coming out of the building at around noon, a spokeswoman for the Riverside County Fire Department told AFP.

No injuries were reported and firefighters managed to extinguish the fire within a half hour.

Laura Eimiller, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Los Angeles office, said federal investigators were assisting local police in the probe.

The incident comes nine days after a Muslim couple in San Bernardino, about an hour from Palm Springs, killed 14 people and injured 22 in an assault that is being investigated by the FBI as a terror attack.

The rampage has raised fears of a backlash against the Muslim community in the United States, especially in the wake of anti-Muslim rhetoric by Republican White House hopeful Donald Trump.

Trump has called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States and promoted the idea of requiring all Muslims in the country to register in a special database.

Several worshippers gathered outside the mosque in Coachella on Friday expressed fear.

“If something bad happens somewhere they blame Islam,” said Kassim Al-Mushr. “But Islam did not do that,” he added, referring to the San Bernardino massacre.

“We love America. Trump, he attacked Islam and maybe some people listened to him."
 

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