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The USA probably doesn't have any connection with ISIS. The chalaki comes in the form of "tolerating" ISIS and not really doing anything effective to take them out, while turning a blind eye to Saudi Arabia and Turkey supporting them. But this is much harder to prove.
in a Proxy war, the connections are made through third or second country. US has never directly engaged with former USSR now Russia.

It is not hard to prove, it is just already exposed. But World media except for Russian one, are not coming up with the satellite images and on ground situation.

And in recent, Germany has already warned Saudi Arabia that, BEHAVE, otherwise this will lead to diplomatic tension!

To control Russia, destabalize Europe. And US has already planted the seeds. This is Cold war 2.
 

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in a Proxy war, the connections are made through third or second country. US has never directly engaged with former USSR now Russia.

It is not hard to prove, it is just already exposed. But World media except for Russian one, are not coming up with the satellite images and on ground situation.

And in recent, Germany has already warned Saudi Arabia that, BEHAVE, otherwise this will lead to diplomatic tension!

To control Russia, destabalize Europe. And US has already planted the seeds. This is Cold war 2.
You are doing the below towards a Osama Obama apologist. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Adding @pmaitra to put more light on this.

 
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in a Proxy war, the connections are made through third or second country. US has never directly engaged with former USSR now Russia.

It is not hard to prove, it is just already exposed. But World media except for Russian one, are not coming up with the satellite images and on ground situation.

And in recent, Germany has already warned Saudi Arabia that, BEHAVE, otherwise this will lead to diplomatic tension!

To control Russia, destabalize Europe. And US has already planted the seeds. This is Cold war 2.
This isn't quite a proxy war, when it comes to the USA and ISIS. The USA isn't funding or arming ISIS, as it would in a proxy war. When it comes to USA vs Russia on other issues, sure you could call that a proxy war of sorts perhaps, but that's another topic.

I'm pointing out the specific differences, because they are important to understand if one wants to change American policy. If America was outright supporting ISIS and funding them as proxies, there would be no chance of changing American policy. If America is simply overlooking the schemes of the Saudi's and Turkey, then a change is much more plausible with the right pressures applied.

The vast majority of Americans are against trying to overthrow Assad or ignoring ISIS or tolerating Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The cause for the American actions seems to be a strategic calculation by top analysts or perhaps some strong behind the scenes deal made with Saudi Arabia.
 
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You are doing the below towards a Osama Obama apologist. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Adding @pmaitra to put more light on this.


Your comment is absurd and not very well thought out. I wasn't defending Obama's foreign policy, just educating you on his presidency overall. Obama and Osama are opposite factions, and implying there is an Obama pro Muslim conspiracy makes you sound as insane as Zaid Hamid or any other crazy Pakistani conspiracy theorist.
 

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Now you sound too naive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would it NEED to fund ISIS when Turkey and Saudi Arabia already are? Why would it WANT to fund an organization that wants to kill Americans? You have to follow self interest. The USA tolerates it because of pressure from the Saudis, but it has no reason to covertly support it either.
 

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Why would it NEED to fund ISIS when Turkey and Saudi Arabia already are? Why would it WANT to fund an organization that wants to kill Americans? You have to follow self interest. The USA tolerates it because of pressure from the Saudis, but it has no reason to covertly support it either.
Al Qaeda did not start bombing Americans right away. Same is true for ISIS. US has funded and still funds ISIS through its proxies in ME. It helps them to carry out propaganda against Assad, what more do you need.
 

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This isn't quite a proxy war, when it comes to the USA and ISIS. The USA isn't funding or arming ISIS, as it would in a proxy war. When it comes to USA vs Russia on other issues, sure you could call that a proxy war of sorts perhaps, but that's another topic.

I'm pointing out the specific differences, because they are important to understand if one wants to change American policy. If America was outright supporting ISIS and funding them as proxies, there would be no chance of changing American policy. If America is simply overlooking the schemes of the Saudi's and Turkey, then a change is much more plausible with the right pressures applied.

The vast majority of Americans are against trying to overthrow Assad or ignoring ISIS or tolerating Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The cause for the American actions seems to be a strategic calculation by top analysts or perhaps some strong behind the scenes deal made with Saudi Arabia.
when you say overlooking, which means, facilitating in this scenario. Because US'S main agenda is not syria, but something else in the region including Europe.
 

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That could have been worded better to "isn't funding at all", instead of directly. Fixed in original post.
When the US sells or supplies weapons to any country, it retains the right to object to that country delivering those weapons to third parties. I did not see the US objecting to the Saudis delivering TOW missiles to the terrorists. If I missed this, then please inform.
 

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The USA probably doesn't have any connection with ISIS. The chalaki comes in the form of "tolerating" ISIS and not really doing anything effective to take them out, while turning a blind eye to Saudi Arabia and Turkey supporting them. But this is much harder to prove.
It was US who first supplied weapons to many non state actors for it's interests. They later made groups against US itself.
ISIS is one of them.
 

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California shooting: India seeks travel details of Pak woman suspect

New Delhi: India has asked Saudi Arabia to share travel details of Tashfeen Malik, a Pakistani woman suspect in the California mass shooting, as the authorities there have claimed that she had undertaken a journey to India in 2013. After spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry Maj Gen Mansour Turki was quoted in 'The New York Times' as saying that Malik had visited India from Saudi Arabia, the central security agencies swung into action and checked all the data available at immigration airports, official sources said. The sources said that no passenger by the name of Malik had entered India on the date mentioned by Saudi authorities to the newspaper or around that period as well. Turki was quoted as having told the newspaper through text messages that she had arrived in the Saudi kingdom on June 8, 2013 for the second time from Pakistan and later she had departed to India on October 6, 2013. The sources said that central agencies have got in touch with the Saudi Authorities besides asking the US investigators to share details, if any, about her visit to India. The sources did not rule out the possibility that she could have travelled under a different name but those details would be possible only after the authorities either in Saudi or the US share the details, the sources said. Fourteen people were killed and 14 injured when Malik along with her Pakistani-American husband Syed Rizwan Farook allegedly opened fire at a centre for the disabled in the Southern California city of San Bernardino last week.

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Your comment is absurd and not very well thought out. I wasn't defending Obama's foreign policy, just educating you on his presidency overall. Obama and Osama are opposite factions, and implying there is an Obama pro Muslim conspiracy makes you sound as insane as Zaid Hamid or any other crazy Pakistani conspiracy theorist.
Listen you "ABCD" kid.

You have shown enough stupidity and absurdity before but I didn't comment thinking that you would behave and learn at DFI. You are brainwashed enough to think that US is so innocent and it's all those middle-east bombing each other.

People like you are just a frog in a well who can't comprehend things on a key level.Your understanding on Pakistan earlier exposed the level of your comprehension and naiveness on strategic issues.

Only a FOOL like you would buy the argument that ISIS and US are not related.You can also think that Osama had no hand in butchering 3000 Americans.Yours and your Osama Obama's idiotic argument is lot of shoot/massacre happens so it's not a big deal if more thousands of Americans are butchered in mainland again.

Now your Osama Obama is trying to sound like this shooting was just like another shootout which is a normal thing in US but it is NOT.

US policies have created so much of bloodshed in middle-east that Muslims have taken the war to where it's planned out of fabricated excuses.

It was US who first supplied weapons to many non state actors for it's interests. They later made groups against US itself.
ISIS is one of them.
This "ABCD" kid is trying to sound more American than any American and his immature views clearly shows his lack of understanding simple strategic issues.

Even Americans are slowly waking up for this "Muslim" mania which is the result of too much meddling in internal affairs of other countries spreading "Democracy".

Spread Democracy and get butchered at home....
PERFECT US Policy...Osama Obama rocks :rofl:
 

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California shooting: India seeks travel details of Pak woman suspect

New Delhi: India has asked Saudi Arabia to share travel details of Tashfeen Malik, a Pakistani woman suspect in the California mass shooting, as the authorities there have claimed that she had undertaken a journey to India in 2013. After spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry Maj Gen Mansour Turki was quoted in 'The New York Times' as saying that Malik had visited India from Saudi Arabia, the central security agencies swung into action and checked all the data available at immigration airports, official sources said. The sources said that no passenger by the name of Malik had entered India on the date mentioned by Saudi authorities to the newspaper or around that period as well. Turki was quoted as having told the newspaper through text messages that she had arrived in the Saudi kingdom on June 8, 2013 for the second time from Pakistan and later she had departed to India on October 6, 2013. The sources said that central agencies have got in touch with the Saudi Authorities besides asking the US investigators to share details, if any, about her visit to India. The sources did not rule out the possibility that she could have travelled under a different name but those details would be possible only after the authorities either in Saudi or the US share the details, the sources said. Fourteen people were killed and 14 injured when Malik along with her Pakistani-American husband Syed Rizwan Farook allegedly opened fire at a centre for the disabled in the Southern California city of San Bernardino last week.

California shooting: India seeks travel details of Pak woman suspect
May be to find out if she has landed in India earlier, with a different name. Or has been operating with anti Indian elements in some third country.
 
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Some interesting and some very strange opinions on here. Not even sure where to begin.

Obama is actually a pretty good president, but he has made some mistakes such as siding with Turkey and Saudi Arabia against Assad.

The democrats are NOT on their way out, they are the dominant party when it comes to presidential elections and Hillary will almost certainly win. Presidential candidates have to saber rattle, which is why Republicans and Democrats are barking loudly, while Obama is being practical. (Obama can't run again due to term limits)

American's aren't being "slaughtered". Just 12 Americans died in the attacks, Americans have killed 12 insurgents since breakfast. These attacks get a lot of news coverage because they are so rare in America. India's probably had dozens in the same time frame.

Yes she was Pakistani, but Americans kind of see "radicalized Muslims" as all the same, so the country of origin isn't seen as very important over here.

While it might be fun for you guys to shout anti-Muslim rhetoric, this causes serious problems in America, because white Americans are stupid and start to attack pretty much all brown people when they get worked up. Which is why Obama is trying to calm the nation down, because when they get worked up over race or religion, it gets REALLY ugly and it gets ugly for most minorities, not just Muslims.

She was allowed to immigrate to the country not because America is too lax on immigrants entering but because her husband was BORN in America and was a citizen.

It isn't that Obama wants to do nothing, it is that such random attacks are very hard to stop completely and the threat of mass racial violence and hate spreading across the nation is a much bigger threat than these sorts of terrorist attacks. They killed 12 Americans, we'll kill 100's of them by the end of the week, lets not lose perspective.

Another democratic president is the last thing USA needs. If Americans are getting slaughtered by terrorists in America the last thing America wants to hear is a lame duck president who spent two terms defending Muslims and driving the economy into the ground.


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Why would it NEED to fund ISIS when Turkey and Saudi Arabia already are? Why would it WANT to fund an organization that wants to kill Americans? You have to follow self interest. The USA tolerates it because of pressure from the Saudis, but it has no reason to covertly support it either.

Lesson 1
No one directly funds any non state actors, to be in good books.


Buddy, why would US, DIRECTLY fund them? US may facilitate the funding routes, or generating the funds.

Lesson 2

US has a great vision, and I respect that and of course they are working for it. But , not just US many other lands have same vision. To control the world.

So, if US creates problem in EU in the cover of Syrian crisis, to control Russia. The EU will also create problem in US. It happens in multiple fronts. But again, all of them want to be in eachother's good books.
 

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Another democratic president is the last thing USA needs. If Americans are getting slaughtered by terrorists in America the last thing America wants to hear is a lame duck president who spent two terms defending Muslims and driving the economy into the ground.


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The economy got much stronger under Obama.

He's a "lame duck" in that the republicans control the congress and the senate, but that won't last. He's not defending Muslim extremists, he's just made the case that not ALL Muslims are terrorists and we should turn our anger against terrorists and not just ALL Muslims. That is a really good policy, the opposite of which means a lot of racial hate and violence in America against ALL brown people.

Aside from foreign policy, when it comes to domestic issues the Democrats excel. We need a democratic president to ensure that the republicans can't repeal Obamacare, which is the first step towards universal healthcare for starters. On nearly every domestic issue: Democrats > Republicans. I think a lot of Indians make the mistake of thinking the Republicans are like the BJP, they are not. The Republicans are massively right wing to the point of insanity. They are wrong on nearly every issue.

Yes I like the more Hawkish foreign policy of the Republicans also, but the domestic issues are far more important as most American foreign policy is drafted by think tanks, specialists and advisers, and changes little from president to president.
 
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The economy got much stronger under Obama.

He's a "lame duck" in that the republicans control the congress and the senate, but that won't last. He's not defending Muslim extremists, he's just made the case that not ALL Muslims are terrorists and we should turn our anger against terrorists and not just ALL Muslims. That is a really good policy, the opposite of which means a lot of racial hate and violence in America against ALL brown people.

Aside from foreign policy, when it comes to domestic issues the Democrats excel. We need a democratic president to ensure that the republicans can't repeal Obamacare, which is the first step towards universal healthcare for starters. On nearly every domestic issue: Democrats > Republicans. I think a lot of Indians make the mistake of thinking the Republicans are like the BJP, they are not. The Republicans are massively right wing to the point of insanity. They are wrong on nearly every issue.

Yes I like the more Hawkish foreign policy of the Republicans also, but the domestic issues are far more important as most American foreign policy is drafted by think tanks, specialists and advisers, and changes little from president to president.
The economy is in good shape? O percent interest and 30 dollar oil is not a sign of a good economy. Any masking of the economy is done thru government pumping stocks and buying treasuries, Obama is a lame duck who has failed in domestic and foreign policy.
Securing the nation is not being racist.
He has made more Americans feel insecure at home and abroad. The economic decline under Obama has been much worst than any other president. USA household wealth has gone in reverse with his welfare state policies of taxing rich and giving to the poor and killing middle class thru his economics and wars.


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The economy is on good shape? O percent interest and 30 dollar oil is not a sign of a good economy. Any masking of the economy is done thru government pumping stocks and buying treasuries, Obama is a lame duck who has failed in domestic and foreign policy.
Securing the nation is not being racist.
He has made more Americans feel insecure at home and abroad. The economic decline under Obama has been much worst than any other president. USA household wealth has gone in reverse with his welfare state policies of taxing rich and giving to the poor and killing middle class thru his economics and wars.

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Seems someone is devoid of basic understanding of economy, public perception of US and Americans themselves and not to mention understanding of world politics and strategy. :lol:

He would keep parroting some similar lines each time.
 

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