Shias for Iraq: Govt fears Shia-Sunni tension, issues alert

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    Govt fears Shia-Sunni tension, issues alert

    NEW DELHI: Concerned by reports that the developments in Iraq could lead to Shia-Sunni confrontation in the country, the government has issued an alert after the matter was discussed in the review meeting chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday.

    Meanwhile, a city-based Shia Muslim organization has enlisted around 19,000 volunteers to travel to trouble-torn Iraq to defend the holy shrines in Karbala and Najaf and provide aid to the suffering Iraqis.

    On Wednesday, Shia group Anjuman-e-Haidari distributed forms seeking volunteers to travel to Iraq where several cities have been over-run by Sunni militants under the banner of ISIS.

    Shias ran around 50 camps outside mosques across the country on Friday. The volunteers have to sign on a declaration attached to the form which says, "I am against terrorism which I believe is one of the most serious threats to humanity."
    Govt fears Shia-Sunni tension, issues alert - The Times of India

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    It appears that this sect of Islam in India is realising what terrorism is all about.

    Further, if they go to Iraq, it will skew India's position in the Arab World as allowing sectarianism.

    On the other hand, if not allowed, then it can cause heartburns within India.

    Unfortunately. this also has a potential to flare up into a Sunni Shia conflict in India.
     
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    Abhijat Regular Member

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    The problem of trans-national religious identity started with support of Khilafat movement by Gandhi ji and now anything happening in Arab world or anywhere else relating to Islam , it gets manifested in India itself. It is important to establish national identity as primary identity , to which their can be community identity complementing it. But the linkages which Muslim's have with Arab world created an identity which transcends national identity and put primacy to religion.

    What could be solution to this problem?
     
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    What is composition of Jammu and Kashmir along Shia and Sunni demographics.
     
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    Very marginal presence of Shias.

    Shias fotm 8-10% of the Muslim population in Kashmir.

     
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    Fascinating. I had come across the below image where POK and also a large concentration in India Kashmir have Shia - Ismaili profiles. According to the image most of residents in POK are Shia - Jafari (ironic). There appears to be a strong concentration of Shia in northern Kashmir in a long stretch from India into Afghanistan and into Tajikistan:

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    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam

    It would be captivating to analyse the Shia demographic in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and near about Afghanistan and in Tajikistan area (where "Morale" support might be provided) and relate it to the Sectarian violence in Pakistan and "morale" support for Kashmir - Sunni policies in India (intemperance).

    Sectarianism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (unless the image is wrong)
     
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    Shias in POK are being thrashed directly as well as indirectly (forced demographic changes).
    Conditions are not looking up for them.
     
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    There was a protest in PoK against revoking of wheat subsidy, I don't know what happened next, whether subsidy was restored or not.

    Added later.

    Wheat subsidy was restored.

    http://www.unpo.org/article/17197
     
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    Afghanistan and Tajikistan with India, since they share direct access, must be able to provide morale support to Shias and the sectarian violence being conducted on them in POK and other areas by Pakistan. It must be starkly compared to what is occurring in India Kashmir where there is a Shia and Sunni composition refer post # 5. Pakistan has a history of genocide especially against non-Sunni whereas India has good conditions and rule of law to protect both Shia and Sunni. India needs to expand its voice to protect the Shias more across the Line of Control.

    Also isnt what we are seeing in Iraq and other places in Middle East a expansion of Shia and Sunni intonations that is being ignored on the people in POK.
     
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    Shia are a majority in Northern Kashmir (POK) ie. Gilgit, Baltistan.

    But the Pak Govt is trying to settle Sunnis to change the demography.

    In India, they are predominant in the Dras, Chanigund, Kargil areas.
     
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    Why should Indian volunteers travel to Iraq? What is their identity? Are they Indians or are they only Shias?
     
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    There is the debate if Indian Muslims are Muslims first and then Indians.

    I think it was Shahabuddin who said so,

    Therefore, the desire to save their sect is understandable.
     
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    One must not generalise. If all Indian Muslims were Muslims first, India's condition would have been like Pakistan.
     
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    I don't generalise.

    I observe with great detail.

    Have you heard Syed Shahabuddin when the controversy arose?

    http://www.sabhlokcity.com/2010/10/is-india-specially-obliged-to-look-after-the-muslims/

    In the Muslim mindset, they are thus justified since ummah means:

    I do read and it helps me to draw my own conclusion, beyond the brainwashed concept of sarkari secularism.

    I am a firm votary that we cannot divide the Indian society any further by highlighting and propagating our difference of religion etc.

    Likewise, I am abhorred by the Togadias.

    Much damage has already been done.

    On what ground do you state that?

    India is not a overwhelming Muslim dominated country, unlike Pakistan.

    So, how can that happen?

    It is a Hindu majority country and it has not become a Hindu rastra, so what do you base your contention on?
     
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    It's just the Hindu majority which is stopping them.

    Except few all have the same wet dreams of subjugating Hindus and all other Dharmic religions as they did before. :truestory:

    The dreams of creating the Caliphate corridor through Indian Subcontinent is not just a dream but if extremist orgs like ISIS are given a free hand they would do it for sure and it's their extended plan once Middle East is done.
     
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    Syed Shahabuddin does not represent all of India's Muslims. We have no dearth of idiots in our country.

    True, India is not a overwhelming Muslim dominated country. But they are present in sizable numbers. India has the second highest no. of Muslims in the world if Im not wrong. We could have had a civil war or groups like Taliban. And they would have the full backing of Pakistan.

    What Im trying to say, is that there will be a number of them who will put their religion first. Either they will be politicians, religious leaders, brainwashed youths or illiterate/unemployed people. Some will do so to further their own interests, others will because they dont know what else to do.

    But by and large, the educated, modern Indian Muslim will not do so. This is what we need in more numbers. Educated Muslims who can use their brains for constructive purposes and not dance to the tune of religious leaders.
     

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