Several issues misunderstood by most Indians

[t_co]

Q: What do you call a Chinese dwarf?
A: Tai Nee.

Q: What do you call a Chinese woman on fire?
A: Mel Ting.

Q: What do you call a Chinese man with a camera?
A: Phil Ming.

Q: What do you call a Chinese woman with an opinion?
A: Wong

People from South China are short.

Leave it to Ray to make racist jokes in a thread about dispelling misconceptions and stereotypes...

 

[pmaitra]

@pmaitra this guy opens a thread without any fact or surveys and it is allowed to run.
Since when did DFI started to allowed such threads.
I thought this was a fact based forum and not some thought/perception/fantasy forum.

Since another moderator is already countering the OP, I am going to stay out of this. Thanks.

 

[Ray]

Leave it to Ray to make racist jokes in a thread about dispelling misconceptions and stereotypes...

It was to break the ice.

To a Chinese communist, even a joke becomes racist.

Good man, such joke abound in India on each community and we don't find it racist.

We are people who can take jokes on ourselves (check the Joke Thread) and do not take ourselves too seriously to equate ourselves to God and beyond a rib!

 

[mylegend]

Leave it to Ray to make racist jokes in a thread about dispelling misconceptions and stereotypes...

Ray has been repeat offenders of racism of the forum. He is also claiming to be not apologetic about racism. Therefore, he is pretty proud about it. People like that can be define as worshiper of Nazism. I guess his view found wide audience in the forum. It makes me wonder what in Indian education system has breed such ill twisted mentality.

 

[Ray]

@pmaitra this guy opens a thread without any fact or surveys and it is allowed to run.
Since when did DFI started to allowed such threads.
I thought this was a fact based forum and not some thought/perception/fantasy forum.

This is a forum that prefers facts to fiction.

However, this is also a forum that allows all types of views to be aired so that one understand each other and the frustrations, real and imaginary, that exists.

Also you would have noticed that while on other forums, badmouthing a Moderator or the forum would mean an instant ban, here we have allowed it to run its course and debunk such unfortunate outpourings with facts. However, it would be nice if one finds a Mod not to his liking, he takes it to the Moderator Team via the Report button or through a PM.

We believe it takes all sorts to make the world.

 

[mylegend]

It was to break the ice.

To a Chinese communist, even a joke becomes racist.

Good man, such joke abound in India on each community and we don't find it racist.

We are people who can take jokes on ourselves (check the Joke Thread) and do not take ourselves too seriously to equate ourselves to God and beyond a rib!

Ray, your racist view is pretty disturbing. It would be define as racism in both Europe and United States. TV reporters would lose their job for those reference you make. I am disgusted of your view.

 

[Ray]

Ray has been repeat offenders of racism of the forum. He is also claiming to be not apologetic about racism. Therefore, he is pretty proud about it. People like that can be define as worshiper of Nazism. I guess his view found wide audience in the forum. It makes me wonder what in Indian education system has breed such ill twisted mentality.

I think you have to understand what is racism and what is ribbing.

You Chinese take yourself too seriously.

Learn to unwind or you will burst like a balloon with pent up frustration.

Anything that makes the Chinese humans and not robotic, appears racism to you Chinese.

racism
ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Did those jokes make you feel inferior?

I am sure debunking all the derogatory stuff about India vs the tall claims the Chinese posters make about China being fabulous, and we indicating the filth that China harbours and secretly keep under cover, would also be racist for the Chinese, right?

 

[Ray]

Ray, your racist view is pretty disturbing. It would be define as racism in both Europe and United States. TV reporters would lose their job for those reference you make. I am disgusted of your view.

Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.

Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes through the media, and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component.

In sociology and psychology, some definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.

So, I take it that you find those Jokes to be both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples.

Do indicate the social perception and biological difference that prompts you and your compañeros inseparables to dub the jokes as 'racist'.

Do indicate how the jokes consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other to be termed as 'racist'.

Do also indicate how the jokes constitutes symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes to be termed as 'racist'.

Do indicate how the jokes as per sociology and psychology include consciously malignant forms of discrimination to be 'racist'. Do the jokes discriminate against the Chinese?

What is actually disturbing is that the Chinese are too much in themselves and think they are beyond being the Joke that they are by their strutting around as comical martinets who are beyond human scrutiny and act as some clones of Hitler, where all are to stand up at say 'Heil Chinaman' and kiss the ground that Mao trod upon.

It was false and contrived pride that changed angels into devils; it is humility that makes men as angels.

Lastly, India does not follow Western ideas as the sole guiding principle of human, sociological and psychological values ruling the human space.

We are not slavish like the Chinese who ape the Western values, models, building as the sole index. That is the real sign of inferiority that the Chinese suffer from just to prove that they have 'arrived'.

 

[praneet.bajpaie]

Ray has been repeat offenders of racism of the forum. He is also claiming to be not apologetic about racism. Therefore, he is pretty proud about it. People like that can be define as worshiper of Nazism. I guess his view found wide audience in the forum. It makes me wonder what in Indian education system has breed such ill twisted mentality.

Wow, a Chinese guy accusuing someone else of racism. Are you kidding me?

 

[Ray]

Wow, a Chinese guy accusuing someone else of racism. Are you kidding me?

Actually, they maybe more sensitive that other people and have good reason to feel so. Their history is actually a treatise of Han racism.

Pejorative statements about non-Han Chinese can be found in some ancient Chinese texts. For example, a 7th century commentary to the Hanshu by Yan Shigu on the Wusun people likens "barbarians who have green eyes and red hair" to macaque monkeys.

Some conflicts between different races and ethnicities resulted in genocide. Ran Min, a Han chinese leader, during the Wei–Jie war, massacred non-Chinese Wu Hu peoples around 350 A.D. in retaliation for abuses against the Chinese population, with the Jie people particularly affected.

Rebels slaughtered many Arabs and Persian merchants in the Yangzhou massacre (760). The Arab historian Abu Zayd Hasan of Siraf reports when the rebel Huang Chao captured Guang Prefecture, his army killed a large number of foreign merchants resident there: Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Parsees, in the Guangzhou massacre. Foreign Arab and Persians residing in Quanzhou were massacred in the Ispah Rebellion.

In the 20th century, the social and cultural critic Lu Xun commented that, "throughout the ages, Chinese have had only two ways of looking at foreigners, up to them as superior beings or down on them as wild animals."

China's ethnic composition is largely homogeneous with 91.9% of the population being Han Chinese, other ethnicities are Mongols, Zhuang, Miao, Hui, Tibetans, Uyghurs and Koreans.

Some ethnic groups are more distinguishable due to physical appearances and relatively low intermarriage rates. Many others have intermarried with Han Chinese, and have similar appearances. They are therefore less distinguishable from Han Chinese people, especially because a growing number of ethnic minorities are fluent at a native level in Mandarin Chinese. In addition, children often adopts "ethnic minority status" at birth if one of their parents is an ethnic minority, even though their ancestry is overwhelmingly Han Chinese. There is a growing number of Europeans, South Asians, and Africans living in large Chinese cities. Although relatively few acquire Chinese citizenship, the number of immigrants belonging to different racial groups has markedly increased recently due to China's economic success. There are concentrated pockets of immigrants and foreign residents in some cities.

In May 2012, a 100-day crackdown on illegal foreigners in Beijing began, with many Beijing locals wary of foreign nationals as a result of recent crime events. China Central Television host Yang Rui made a controversial statement that "foreign trash" should be cleaned out of Beijing.

洋鬼子 (yáng guǐzi) - "Western devil", a derogatory term for white people or Caucasians popularized during the First Opium War, when the British empire waged and won a war so that their merchants could legally sell opium. This term is no longer widely used.

鬼佬 (guǐlǎo) - Borrowed from Cantonese "Gweilo", literally "ghost guy", a slur for White people.

红毛 (ang mo) - "Red Hair" or "Red Fur", a slur used by Hokkien (Min-nan) people in Taiwan and Singapore to primarily refer to Dutch colonists who settled in Taiwan and British colonists who settled in Singapore during the 17th century and early 19th century respectively.

毛子 (máo zi) - literally "body hair", it is a derogatory term for Caucasian peoples. However, because most white people in contact with China were Russians before the 19th century, 毛子 became a derogatory term that refers specifically to Russians.

A common historical response to serious threats directed towards a symbolic universe is 'nihilation', or the conceptual liquidation of everything inconsistent with official doctrine. Foreigners were labelled 'barbarians' or 'devils' to be conceptually eliminated. The official rhetoric reduced the Westerner to a devil, a ghost, an evil and unreal goblin hovering on the border of humanity. Many texts of the first half of the nineteenth century referred to the English as 'foreign devils' (yangguizi), 'devil slaves' (guinu), 'barbarian devils' (fangui), 'island barbarians' (daoyi), 'blue-eyed barbarian slaves' (biyan yinu), or 'red-haired barbarians' (hongmaofan).

黑鬼 (hei guǐ) - "Black devil" is used for Africans.

I am sure you have heard of Lou Jing, half black Chinese girl, who sparked race debate in China.

Can a Mixed-Race Contestant Become a Chinese Idol?

In August, Lou's appearance on the show not only boosted viewer numbers but also sparked an intense nationwide debate about the essential meaning of being Chinese. Over the past month on Internet chat rooms, where modern China's sensitive issues are thrashed out by netizens long before they reach the heavily censored mainstream media, Lou's ethnicity has been the subject of a relentless barrage of criticism, some of it crudely racist. Many think she should not have been allowed to compete on a Chinese show, or at least not selected to represent Shanghai in the national competition. She doesn't have fair skin, which is one of the most important factors for Chinese beauty. What's more, her mother and her biological father were never married; morally, the argument goes, this kind of behavior shouldn't be publicized, so she shouldn't have been put on TV as a young "idol."

These kinds of posts on the most popular chat rooms have attracted thousands of comments. A few have been supportive of Lou, but the rest range from expressions of fear and ignorance to outright racism. One of the most popular posts about Lou Jing on the KDS Life forum asked in mock seriousness, "Is it possible that she is Obama's daughter?" Another poster said, "I can't believe she's so shameless that she would go on TV." Most of the critics are agreed on one point: that this black woman cannot be regarded as a "real" Chinese.
Could a Mixed-Race Contestant Become a Chinese Idol? - TIME

Yes the Chinese posters kid themselves that they are not racist and in true, Chinese style, claims others are and that they are angels.

Facts indicate that they are the world's racist No 1 par excellence!

 

[Ray]

It is obvious that I shall be a target of the Communist Chinese since I have repeated burst all the bubbles of their tall claims since I do know something about China, even if they try to debunk the same so as to be deceitful and misleading.

 

[sydsnyper]

We should stop feeding @Cloudy, who is either chinese immigrant born in a trash can or a wannabe chinese paki.....

 

[Ray]

Would the Chinese posters have the gall to deny that they are the most racist of all in the world historically and in the contemporary times?

Or has the truth become too hot to handle or digest?

eh, fellows ie. our Chinese posters?

 

[Ray]

The Chinese posters and the CCP acolytes wallow in glee in the art of indulge in some Schadenfreude or aptly expressed in the Chinese expression for taking pleasure in the misfortune of others, xin zai le huo. 幸灾乐祸

 

[Ray]

I am not confounded that the Chinese posters are silent.

Truth is not what they can savour.

They can only spew their mind controlled thoughts since history of Chinese omission and commissions they are not aware of as it has been wiped out from their history by the Communist in a vainglorious attempt to show the Chinese as loveable Pandas munching peaceably on bamboo shoots.

They growl and thunder when they think they are winning, but show the mirror, they turn tail whimpering as a rat hit hard on the bottom.

 

[fyodor]

Actually, they maybe more sensitive that other people and have good reason to feel so. Their history is actually a treatise of Han racism.

Pejorative statements about non-Han Chinese can be found in some ancient Chinese texts. For example, a 7th century commentary to the Hanshu by Yan Shigu on the Wusun people likens "barbarians who have green eyes and red hair" to macaque monkeys.

Some conflicts between different races and ethnicities resulted in genocide. Ran Min, a Han chinese leader, during the Wei–Jie war, massacred non-Chinese Wu Hu peoples around 350 A.D. in retaliation for abuses against the Chinese population, with the Jie people particularly affected.

Rebels slaughtered many Arabs and Persian merchants in the Yangzhou massacre (760). The Arab historian Abu Zayd Hasan of Siraf reports when the rebel Huang Chao captured Guang Prefecture, his army killed a large number of foreign merchants resident there: Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Parsees, in the Guangzhou massacre. Foreign Arab and Persians residing in Quanzhou were massacred in the Ispah Rebellion.

In the 20th century, the social and cultural critic Lu Xun commented that, "throughout the ages, Chinese have had only two ways of looking at foreigners, up to them as superior beings or down on them as wild animals."

China's ethnic composition is largely homogeneous with 91.9% of the population being Han Chinese, other ethnicities are Mongols, Zhuang, Miao, Hui, Tibetans, Uyghurs and Koreans.

Some ethnic groups are more distinguishable due to physical appearances and relatively low intermarriage rates. Many others have intermarried with Han Chinese, and have similar appearances. They are therefore less distinguishable from Han Chinese people, especially because a growing number of ethnic minorities are fluent at a native level in Mandarin Chinese. In addition, children often adopts "ethnic minority status" at birth if one of their parents is an ethnic minority, even though their ancestry is overwhelmingly Han Chinese. There is a growing number of Europeans, South Asians, and Africans living in large Chinese cities. Although relatively few acquire Chinese citizenship, the number of immigrants belonging to different racial groups has markedly increased recently due to China's economic success. There are concentrated pockets of immigrants and foreign residents in some cities.

In May 2012, a 100-day crackdown on illegal foreigners in Beijing began, with many Beijing locals wary of foreign nationals as a result of recent crime events. China Central Television host Yang Rui made a controversial statement that "foreign trash" should be cleaned out of Beijing.

洋鬼子 (yáng guǐzi) - "Western devil", a derogatory term for white people or Caucasians popularized during the First Opium War, when the British empire waged and won a war so that their merchants could legally sell opium. This term is no longer widely used.

鬼佬 (guǐlǎo) - Borrowed from Cantonese "Gweilo", literally "ghost guy", a slur for White people.

红毛 (ang mo) - "Red Hair" or "Red Fur", a slur used by Hokkien (Min-nan) people in Taiwan and Singapore to primarily refer to Dutch colonists who settled in Taiwan and British colonists who settled in Singapore during the 17th century and early 19th century respectively.

毛子 (máo zi) - literally "body hair", it is a derogatory term for Caucasian peoples. However, because most white people in contact with China were Russians before the 19th century, 毛子 became a derogatory term that refers specifically to Russians.

A common historical response to serious threats directed towards a symbolic universe is 'nihilation', or the conceptual liquidation of everything inconsistent with official doctrine. Foreigners were labelled 'barbarians' or 'devils' to be conceptually eliminated. The official rhetoric reduced the Westerner to a devil, a ghost, an evil and unreal goblin hovering on the border of humanity. Many texts of the first half of the nineteenth century referred to the English as 'foreign devils' (yangguizi), 'devil slaves' (guinu), 'barbarian devils' (fangui), 'island barbarians' (daoyi), 'blue-eyed barbarian slaves' (biyan yinu), or 'red-haired barbarians' (hongmaofan).

黑鬼 (hei guǐ) - "Black devil" is used for Africans.

I am sure you have heard of Lou Jing, half black Chinese girl, who sparked race debate in China.



Yes the Chinese posters kid themselves that they are not racist and in true, Chinese style, claims others are and that they are angels.

Facts indicate that they are the world's racist No 1 par excellence!

Wow! Chinese are riddled with racism and they still talk about India's internal problems like caste!
Unlike hindu seers and intellectual stalwarts who have tried to remove social backwardness, the han chinese seem to embracing racism to another level!

Most of civilizations go through like an arrow, from backwardness to modernity.....but in case of China it looks like that as they are getting modernized they are getting even more racist.

I looked at some of the comments here:
Filthy India Photos, Chinese Netizen Reactions – chinaSMACK

Seems like chinese are riding high on han supremacy opium.

 

[Ray]

Wow! Chinese are riddled with racism and they still talk about India's internal problems like caste!
Unlike hindu seers and intellectual stalwarts who have tried to remove social backwardness, the han chinese seem to embracing racism to another level!

Most of civilizations go through like an arrow, from backwardness to modernity.....but in case of China it looks like that as they are getting modernized they are getting even more racist.

I looked at some of the comments here:
Filthy India Photos, Chinese Netizen Reactions – chinaSMACK

Seems like chinese are riding high on han supremacy opium.

They are the greatest hypocrites.

All gas and no go.

Camouflaging everything with pious platitude and mealy mouthed homilies and thinking everyone else has a short memory.

These odd fish (I could have used a better term but I am being polite) think that the Earth revolves around them! That is why they are idiotic to think of themselves as in the 'Middle Kingdom', when actually they are at the end of the world and would fall off. I say this since that was the medieval idea of the world from which they are yet to graduate.

 

[angeldude13]

This is a forum that prefers facts to fiction.

However, this is also a forum that allows all types of views to be aired so that one understand each other and the frustrations, real and imaginary, that exists.

Also you would have noticed that while on other forums, badmouthing a Moderator or the forum would mean an instant ban, here we have allowed it to run its course and debunk such unfortunate outpourings with facts. However, it would be nice if one finds a Mod not to his liking, he takes it to the Moderator Team via the Report button or through a PM.

We believe it takes all sorts to make the world.

I always forget you are a mod
You should put something like professional mod in your profile
Ontopic-
It's not that I am angry with this chinese guy sir but it's just this thread sounds all wrong.
We can have thoughts or views about a fact or a universal truth but these things are not facts but his own opinion.
I mean look at the title.
Several issues misunderstood by most Indians. He is giving his opinion about the things which he thinks most Indian think about china. Does it sound absurd??
It sounds very amateur and absurd to me.

 

[angeldude13]

Since another moderator is already countering the OP, I am going to stay out of this. Thanks.

Sorry, I always forget Ray sir is a moderator :shocked:

 

[Ray]

I always forget you are a mod
You should put something like professional mod in your profile
Ontopic-
It's not that I am angry with this chinese guy sir but it's just this thread sounds all wrong.
We can have thoughts or views about a fact or a universal truth but these things are not facts but his own opinion.
I mean look at the title.
Several issues misunderstood by most Indians. He is giving his opinion about the things which he thinks most Indian think about china. Does it sound absurd??
It sounds very amateur and absurd to me.

Actually I am not really a Moderator.

it is the kindness of the Administrators and the Moderators who asked me on this forum as an 'advisor', that is if I got them right. It was Yusuf who guided and mentored me here.

Somehow, I found this forum very addictive since it was a free flowing one with very little moderation and thus a whole lot of views and contrariety of opinions were being aired, including of our foreign poster guests. It was like a breath of fresh air after the highly regulated forums I have been to. I liked it and so here I am. Call my position what you/ one may like. I merely like the flow of contrarion views since, to me, it is most educative.

Thus, the title is most unique and catchy.

Indeed, we all misunderstand each other and we must know where the fault lines lie.

Of course, the Chinese poster appears absurd, but then he is thinking like a Chinese and not as an Indian and so he appears absurd to us.

Yet, it is our duty to clear the cobwebs in this absurdity so that he takes home some home truth, right?

If everyone agrees with each other, then would that not be like talking to oneself?

So, let the Ganges flow unrestricted as should flow the Volga, Mississippi Missouri, Thames, Yangtse Kiang, Tsangpo, Mekong and other rivers that is the life of the world and humanity at large.

Let us sit back and enjoy the contradictions of life and humanity that makes living so exciting.