Several dead and injured in blast in China's restive Xinjian

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Next time someone will said exactly the same thing substitute han with Indian
Im not going to be an apologetic for a race that has been abusing millions of Tibetans for 6 decades now. Others can tow their pussyfooting lines.
 

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hahaha ... class leader maitra gives me an infraction for inappropriate language.
 

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I think a lot of people here are mistaking the Chinese Uyghur plight with the Paki Jihadis.......there are not the same animal.

Pak's uneducated peasant jihadis are dummies trained by the ISI and their proxy Mullahs, and used as cannon fodder by the ISI for their strategic initiatives or whatever they believe it to be in their crazy minds......call it what you want - strategic depth, paranoia, or just plain psychos leading psychos.

The Uyghur struggle is a people who are so pushed up against the wall that they can barely breathe.

Their culture, language, religion, land, way of life, traditions, and ethnic identity are methodically being stripped away.
If that is not bad enough - their intellectuals, poets, artists, clergy, and anyone who does not tow the official "CPC Han" line is simply arrested or made to disappear.

Think about this carefully guys - Imagine if they strip your people of the following 5 items :
1) Language
2) Religion
3) Culture
4) Way of life
5) Land (by flooding the area with Han Chinese)

The 64K dollar question here is: What the Hell do you have left ??
Isn't it conceivable that if someone were do that to us - We could all become terrorists ?
 
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Attacking a market with bombs is a classic Islamist tactic. China's taller than tallest mountain, deeper than deepest ocean, sweeter than honey, bigger than biggest beggar ally, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan trains and equips groups that do this sort of work. China had it coming - and the fact that explosives slipped through should worry the Chinese. Next time it may be bombs, and not knives, in a station in Beijing.

While I express sympathy for the injured and the relatives of the deceased, I would like to talk about happier things. China should increase funding for Pakistani nuclear plants, get the Xinjiang-Pakistan highway in good working order, and make visa free travel easy between Xinjiang and Pakistan. And China should stop making absurd demands on Pakistan about security of Chinese people in Pakistan. Pakistan is a poor country that needs help. By making such demand China is strengthening the hands of the very entities that seek to break Chinese-Pakistan everlasting friendship, like the Indians.

And these bomb blasts show that China is no more secure than Pakistan. Pakistan should now demand better security for Muslims in China. How can China ask for better security in Pakistan when the Muslims of Xinjiang are suffering so so much from lack of security?
 
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I think a lot of people here are mistaking the Chinese Uyghur plight with the Paki Jihadis.......there are not the same animal.

Pak's uneducated peasant jihadis are dummies trained by the ISI and their proxy Mullahs, and used as cannon fodder by the ISI for their strategic initiatives or whatever they believe it to be in their crazy minds......call it what you want - strategic depth, paranoia, or just plain psychos leading psychos.

The Uyghur struggle is a people who are so pushed up against the wall that they can barely breathe.

Their culture, language, religion, land, way of life, traditions, and ethnic identity are methodically being stripped away.
If that is not bad enough - their intellectuals, poets, artists, clergy, and anyone who does not tow the official "CPC Han" line is simply arrested or made to disappear.

Think about this carefully guys - Imagine if they strip your people of the following 5 items :
1) Language
2) Religion
3) Culture
4) Way of life
5) Land (by flooding the area with Han Chinese)

The 64K dollar question here is: What the Hell do you have left ??
Isn't it conceivable that if someone were do that to us - We could all become terrorists ?
I guess CCP is afraid of diversity, while a single culture is good for stability, forcing that culture on others would be wrong thing to do and could backfire, especially when that group is muslims.
 

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Sinicization is a term that refers to the cultural assimilation by rooting out the culture, language, traditions, customs, roots etc of non Hans, through coercion, intimidation, forced inter marriage and so on that has historically been undertaken to enlarge the boundaries of China after capturing these territories.

The map below will show how Hans systematically expanded territories that were not Han and Sinicised them to the extent that modern day China claims that, according to the 2010 census, 91.51% of the population was of the Han Chinese, when actually that is not historically true.



Before Han dynasty, there were different names attached to Chinese living in China. The Chinese were first called "Xia people" 夏族, but by Spring/Autumn period, the people living in central plain of China were called "Huaxia" people 华夏族 (literally means "the civilized Xia people"). Thus, technically speaking, han people were simply the descendants of the Huaxia people.

The cradle of Chinese civilization started from Yellow river, where the Xia people (or Xia tribes) 夏族 dwelled.

There is another theory

the name of "han 汉" for Han people originated from the historical fact when Liu Bang 刘邦 (founder of Han dynasty) was made the king of Han (Han Wang 汉王) in 206 BC after the collapse of Qin dynasty. After Qin dynasty collapsed, there was a battle between Liu bang and Xiang Yu who fought for control of China. In the beginning, Liu Bang's forces was weaker, so he accepted Xiang Yu's conferment to be a king of Han to rule the region of Han Zhong 汉中. The reason why he was called "King of Han" was because of the region of "Han Zhong 汉中" (literally means "central of Han"). That's how the name "han" came about.

After Liu Bang defeated Xiang Yu, he used the name of his kingdom as the name of the new dynasty and called it "Han dynasty". From then on, the people living within the Empire of Han came to be known as the Han people.
Where did the original Han People come from? - Chinese Ethnic Groups and Peoples - China History Forum, Chinese History Forum

The Baiyue or Hundred Yue (Chinese: 百越; pinyin: Bǎiyuè) or Yue (越) is a loose term denoting various partly or un-Sinicized peoples who inhabited southern China and northern Vietnam between the first millennium BC and the first millennium AD.

In the Warring States period, the word "Yue" referred to the State of Yue in Zhejiang. The later kingdoms of Minyue in Fujian and Nanyue in Guangdong are both considered Baiyue states. Although people of Yue had a knowledge of agriculture and technology of shipbuilding, Chinese writers depicted the Yue as barbarians who had tattoos, lived in primitive conditions, and lacked such technology as bows, arrows, horses and chariots.

The Yue were assimilated or displaced as Chinese civilization expanded into southern China in the first half of the first millennium AD. Variations of the name are still used in both the name of Vietnam (Chinese: 越; Vietnamese: Việt) and the abbreviation for Guangdong (Chinese: 粤; Jyutping: jyut)
Baiyue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In short, China is an amalgam of variety of people, who were assimilated to become Han.

China continues the historical mode of converting non Han into Han and they are doing just that by applying the old methods in Tibet and Xinjiang.
 

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I guess CCP is afraid of diversity, while a single culture is good for stability, forcing that culture on others would be wrong thing to do and could backfire, especially when that group is muslims.
Uniformity brings stability since the areas of conflict vanish.

That is why China insists on all people have a single identity in every form including thought.

That is why their aim is 'stability and harmony' and that is possible if your are a faceless One!

Pakistan is a great acolyte (devoted follower and attendent so to say) of China. That is why they are ridding itself, with the same coercion, converting, killing etc all minorities and all sects of Muslims who are not Sunnis.
 
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China has good relationship with Pakistan , so they are quite passive to take decisive decitions on ughurs in paki hideout
 

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One can be even a friend to one's enemy through the lack of character.
 

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Uniformity brings stability since the areas of conflict vanish.
This is a myth that is being pushed by the Chinese and their idiot beggar friends the Pakis. If everyone had uniform height, the same face, the same sex and had no conflict we would be worker ants. However even if I was a Han in a totally Han society, I might still find my neighbor's wife attractive - so that would be a problem unless uniformity also means uniform adultery with everyone trying to sleep with his neighbor's wife.

So the uniformity/stabilty is a myth except for restricted and disciplined groups like armed forces, whose uniformity exists within a larger deiverse group, and has purpose that goes beyond making it easy for some ChiCom moron to to rule.
 

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Or maybe they are helpless and pretending to be in control?
May be or perhaps Han Chinese are waiting for some 9/11 type massive killing of Han Chinese as a trigger to give brotherly love to Pakistan.

Killings in few dozens doesn't matter to Han Chinese.
 

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This is a myth that is being pushed by the Chinese and their idiot beggar friends the Pakis. If everyone had uniform height, the same face, the same sex and had no conflict we would be worker ants. However even if I was a Han in a totally Han society, I might still find my neighbor's wife attractive - so that would be a problem unless uniformity also means uniform adultery with everyone trying to sleep with his neighbor's wife.

So the uniformity/stabilty is a myth except for restricted and disciplined groups like armed forces, whose uniformity exists within a larger deiverse group, and has purpose that goes beyond making it easy for some ChiCom moron to to rule.
Sleeping with the neighbour's wife is a law and order issue.

But cloning all to be one faceless, uniform mass is a genocidal issue in a way.

Cleansing to be precise.
 

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Q&A: Xinjiang and tensions in China's restive far west

Hong Kong (CNN) -- China has once again been rocked by a violent attack targeting civilians after two SUVs plowed into people gathered at an open market in Urumqi, the capital of the western Chinese region of Xinjiang.

Explosives were tossed from the vehicles, before one of the SUVs exploded, leaving many shoppers dead or wounded on the streets as flames and smoke billowed from the scene.

The incident left 31 dead and more than 90 others hurt, according to Xinhua, China's state-run news agency.

The brazen act was described by China's Ministry of Public Security as "a serious violent terrorist incident" and it vowed to crack down on the perpetrators.

It was the latest in a series of deadly attacks in public places in China in the past few months.

It also put the spotlight once again on Xinjiang, a region with a long history of friction between Han Chinese, China's biggest and most dominant ethnic group, and the indigenous Uyghurs, a mainly Turkic-speaking Muslim population.

What happened in the recent attacks?
-- April 30, 2014: After Chinese President Xi Jinping had wrapped up a visit to Xinjiang, an explosion rocked the South Railway Station of Urumqi, followed by a knife attack at the same location. Three people died and 79 others were injured in the attacks, according to Xinhua, as "knife-wielding mobs" attacked people at one of the station's exits following the blast. Two people, described as religious extremists and part of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, were blamed for the incident. Both died in the blast.

-- March 1, 2014: Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming. Kunming railway station is one of the largest in southwest China. Witnesses described men clad in black outfits stabbing and attacking people with cleavers and knives. Local government officials told Xinhua that evidence at the crime scene indicated "it was orchestrated by Xinjiang separatist forces."

-- October 28, 2013: Chinese authorities indicated a Xinjiang connection when a jeep plowed into crowds in Tiananmen Square, killing five and injuring at least 40.

Who are the Uyghurs?
The Uyghurs are a predominantly Muslim ethnic group who live in Xinjiang, an area the size of Iran that is rich in natural resources, including oil.
The province shares borders with Mongolia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Uyghurs, who speak a language related to Turkish, regard themselves as culturally and ethnically close to central Asia, despite a long history of Chinese rule.

Since the collapse of the Qing dynasty in 1912, Xinjiang, which means "new frontier" in Chinese, has enjoyed varying levels of autonomy.
In 1933, rebels declared independence and created the short-lived Islamic Republic of East Turkistan.

The Chinese Communist Party took over the territory in 1949 and in 1955 it was declared an autonomous region, giving it a status similar to that of Tibet, which lies to the south of Xinjiang.

Why do Uyghurs resent Chinese rule?
Over the decades, waves of Han Chinese migrants arrived in the region, displacing Uyghurs from their traditional lands and fueling tensions.

Xinjiang is now home to more than 8 million Han Chinese, up from 220,000 in 1949, and 10 million Uyghurs. The newcomers take most of the new jobs, and unemployment among Uyghurs is high. They complain of discrimination and harsh treatment by security forces, despite official promises of equal rights and ethnic harmony.

Activists say that a campaign is being waged to weaken the Uyghurs' religious and cultural traditions and that the education system undermines use of the Uyghur language.

Why is China concerned about the Uyghurs?
Simmering tensions have erupted into riots. The worst violence in decades took place in July 2009, when rioting in Urumqi between Uyghurs and Han Chinese killed some 200 people and injured 1,700. That unrest was followed by a crackdown by security forces.

Beijing says Uyghur groups want to establish an independent state and, because of the Uyghurs' cultural ties to their neighbors, leaders fear that elements may back a separatist movement in Xinjiang.

What could be triggering attacks in Xinjiang?
It could be multiple factors, but China is increasing its grip over Xinjiang society, said James Leibold, senior lecturer of politics and Asian studies at La Trobe University in Melbourne. President Xi's administration views Xinjiang "as a crucial backdoor into central Asia" -- one that could provide a new Silk Road and economic opportunities. There are also natural resources in the province.

China has quadrupled internal security budget in Xinjiang, he said. "It has increased armed patrols as well as security cameras in the region."
At the same time, China has also injected money to boost economic development amongst the Ugyhur minority and the Han Chinese who live in Xinjiang, Leibold added.

Is the violence in Xinjiang getting worse?
"I think these things are cyclical in nature," said Leibold, an expert on Chinese ethnic policy relations. "If you look at Xinjiang over the last 60-plus years it's been under Chinese Communist Party rule, the violence ebbs and flows."

The 1950s were particularly bloody, as was the Cultural Revolution, and violence was reported in the late 1990s and early 2000s, he said.

"It's impossible to confirm that ethnic violence has increased," he said. "The government puts out statistics and all the information we get are bits and pieces."

The Chinese government blames what it calls three evil forces: Separatism, extremism and terrorism.

China's ethnic tensions Urumqi on edge before deadly anniversary

What is significant in recent violence is that the target of the attacks appear to be shifting to civilians from security forces, he said.

"We have seen targeting of innocent civilians and places, an attempt to maim innocent civilians in large numbers," Leibold said. "This violence has seeped outside of Xinjiang autonomous region," he added, referring to the incidents in Tiananmen and the Kunming train station several months ago.

Are there Uyghur terrorist groups?
Some say the threats from Uyghur separatist groups have been exaggerated and that little of the violence inside Xinjiang should be considered terrorism. They also say that the civil unrest is carried out by individuals or small groups, rather than an organized militant group.

However, Uyghur groups have claimed responsibility for bus bombs in Shanghai and Yunnan prior to the Olympics in 2008. The Chinese government blamed an attempted hijacking of a flight in 2012 on Uyghurs.

The U.S. State Department listed the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as a terrorist organization in 2002 in the wake of the September 11 attacks during a period of increased cooperation with China on security matters.

After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, some 22 Uyghurs were rounded up in Pakistan and Afghanistan and detained at Guantanamo Bay. The final three ethnic Uyghurs were released from Guantanamo to Slovakia where they were "voluntarily" resettled early last year.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/22/world/asia/china-explainer-xinjiang-uyghur/
 

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May be or perhaps Han Chinese are waiting for some 9/11 type massive killing of Han Chinese as a trigger to give brotherly love to Pakistan.

Killings in few dozens doesn't matter to Han Chinese.
I saw a very interesting comment by a Chinese member somewhere on this forum about Pakistan China relations. The comment was somthing on the lines of relations betwen the two countries being mulifaceted with terrorism being only one small issue - and that there were so many other facets that china can concntrate on.

That comment made me laugh. It shows how little the Chinese know about Pakistan, despite being the best of friends. China is an oligarchy but that oligarchy has a fairly tight grip on its people. Pakistan is also an oligarchy (army and elite) , but that oligarchy does not have control over vast areas of Pakistan.

Like the US, China too simply deals with and aids the Pakistani oligarchy, hoping that by some magic that aid will manage to control the parts of Pakistan that are not under control. The only thing that has ever united Pakistanis is hatred and fear of India. Islam did not unite Pakistan. the Chinese and Americans cannot unite Pakitan. So both China and the US try to arm Pakistan against India - but they only fund and arm the Pakistan army and elite, who have lost control over much of Pakistan.

The Pakistan army and elite have passed on US and Chinese arms to Islamic militias to attack India. Chinese rifles are regularly captured in India as also US made comm equipment. Those same islamic militias were (in the pre-9-11 days) found in Kosovo, the Philippines etc. They are now being exported to Syria and Xinjiang.

That is why it makes me happy to see Chinese aid to the Pakistani elite and pompous crap posted on here about "multifaceted" relations. That Chinese aid simply helps to prop up a weak Paki army and elite who bribe their own Islamic militias wih US money and Chinese arms to leave them alone and turn a blind eye as those militias attack allies like the US and China. The Chinese are losers when it comes to Pakistan. Here's hoping for more fun and games from Xinjiang. The Chinese have no understanding of Islamist terrorism. They need to learn. Let's see how long it takes for them do smarten up.

As long as they keep deluding themselves about "multifaceted relations" with Pakistan it should be fun watching. LOL losers.
 
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