Senators irked by India's Iran ties, stalled nuclear trade

[panduranghari]

When a guy was called out and your the only one with the loser who is still in the field when everyone has left before the beating starts then you deserve to get beaten by the bully gang to.. We should get the hell out of there... Lift the lunge pick up the chapal in your hands and run without turning back...

I disagree. We need oil. Iran can sell it to us. We help them by buying what we want in their time of need, they will sell us more of the stuff we need - OIL. Once the ponzi of the USA and the G8 collapses - which it will 100% guaranteed - oil will not trade in US dollars. If we can get a oil producer who may be happy to make us a preferred customer, this is the time to do it. If we dont, China will be more than happy to take up the offer.

 

[Armand2REP]

Exclusive: China buys up Saudi, Russian oil to squeeze Iran

(Reuters) - China is scouring the world for alternative oil supplies to replace a fall in its imports from Iran, as it seeks to negotiate lower prices from Tehran, and has been drawing heavily on Saudi Arabia.

Industry sources told Reuters that Beijing had bought the bulk of an increase in crude oil supplies from top oil exporter Saudi Arabia in the last few months.

The world's second-largest oil consumer is also importing more cargoes from West Africa, Russia and Australia to replace reduced supplies from Iran.

China is the top buyer of Iranian oil, taking around 20 percent of its total exports, but since January it has cut purchases by around 285,000 barrels per day (bpd), or just over half of the total daily amount it imported in 2011.

Saudi Arabian output reached 9.76 million barrels per day (bpd) in December, up 360,000 bpd from October, OPEC data show, and has remained near that level in January, according to a Reuters survey. Several sources in the oil industry said China has bought a good part of the extra oil.

"On average, Saudi exports went up by 200,000 barrels per day and this went to the East, overwhelmingly to China," said one of the sources, a senior executive with the trading arm of a U.S. oil company.

A source familiar with the matter, who declined to be identified by name, also said the kingdom had been supplying about an extra 200,000 bpd to China since November.

Oil traders believe Unipec, the trading arm of China's top refiner Sinopec Corp. (0386.HK), has been using a flexibility clause in deals, known as tolerance, to buy more oil under term contracts, especially as Saudi official selling prices in the past two months have been attractive.

"Under the current circumstances, it is necessary to use the tolerance to adjust lifting volumes," a Chinese oil trader said.

Exclusive: China buys up Saudi, Russian oil to squeeze Iran | Reuters

 

[Yusuf]

Saudi Arabia seems to be the biggest beneficiary right now taking away sales of iran. But then it will also run out faster. That will suit the west. What foresight.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Exclusive: China buys up Saudi, Russian oil to squeeze Iran

(Reuters) - China is scouring the world for alternative oil supplies to replace a fall in its imports from Iran, as it seeks to negotiate lower prices from Tehran, and has been drawing heavily on Saudi Arabia.

Industry sources told Reuters that Beijing had bought the bulk of an increase in crude oil supplies from top oil exporter Saudi Arabia in the last few months.

The world's second-largest oil consumer is also importing more cargoes from West Africa, Russia and Australia to replace reduced supplies from Iran.

China is the top buyer of Iranian oil, taking around 20 percent of its total exports, but since January it has cut purchases by around 285,000 barrels per day (bpd), or just over half of the total daily amount it imported in 2011.

Saudi Arabian output reached 9.76 million barrels per day (bpd) in December, up 360,000 bpd from October, OPEC data show, and has remained near that level in January, according to a Reuters survey. Several sources in the oil industry said China has bought a good part of the extra oil.

"On average, Saudi exports went up by 200,000 barrels per day and this went to the East, overwhelmingly to China," said one of the sources, a senior executive with the trading arm of a U.S. oil company.

A source familiar with the matter, who declined to be identified by name, also said the kingdom had been supplying about an extra 200,000 bpd to China since November.

Oil traders believe Unipec, the trading arm of China's top refiner Sinopec Corp. (0386.HK), has been using a flexibility clause in deals, known as tolerance, to buy more oil under term contracts, especially as Saudi official selling prices in the past two months have been attractive.

"Under the current circumstances, it is necessary to use the tolerance to adjust lifting volumes," a Chinese oil trader said.

Exclusive: China buys up Saudi, Russian oil to squeeze Iran | Reuters

Chinese are bargaining to get a better deal out of Iran

 

[Energon]

Honestly what I would like to see here is India becoming a part of the solution instead of getting caught in the problem. India has very good relations with Iran, Israel, the USA and Saudi Arabia. It can actually play a mediator to help reduce the tension and keep trade and commerce moving.

 

[Payeng]

Iran is strategically located, nations have interest on her, if US interest do not match with India's interest then their is no other way, India cannot take a decision against her own strategic interest to the comfort of some third party.

 

[Tshering22]

Honestly what I would like to see here is India becoming a part of the solution instead of getting caught in the problem. India has very good relations with Iran, Israel, the USA and Saudi Arabia. It can actually play a mediator to help reduce the tension and keep trade and commerce moving.

Not happening. US is too adamant and we are having a weak government. If we had an iron-strong PM, I could say that, but with the current PM-puppet that we have, she'd (he's only a tool that's all) end up screwing our ties with both US and Iran.

Better stay out of it and stick to keeping India-Iran ties at bilateral levels. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Chinese are bargaining to get a better deal out of Iran

So much for all the "help" they claimed they'd do for Iranians. But one thing's for sure; Iranians are not emotionally insane like Pakistanis are to become conclusive so fast.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

I disagree. We need oil. Iran can sell it to us. We help them by buying what we want in their time of need, they will sell us more of the stuff we need - OIL. Once the ponzi of the USA and the G8 collapses - which it will 100% guaranteed - oil will not trade in US dollars. If we can get a oil producer who may be happy to make us a preferred customer, this is the time to do it. If we dont, China will be more than happy to take up the offer.

Right now the only thing Guaranteed to collapse is Irans Mullah government not the US or NATO. They will be around far longer than these guys in Iran who are going to be served a beating soon. In that case i take my week a$$ policy and side with the strong, India needs oil and Iran will not be there to give any. So we better change our source and use the West to find a better source like Gulf.

 

[The Messiah]

Right now the only thing Guaranteed to collapse is Irans Mullah government not the US or NATO. They will be around far longer than these guys in Iran who are going to be served a beating soon. In that case i take my week a$$ policy and side with the strong, India needs oil and Iran will not be there to give any. So we better change our source and use the West to find a better source like Gulf.

Whoever is in power in iran we will still get the oil.

we aren't siding with anyone...we are not giving free money to iran or weapons.

 

[trackwhack]

Stand by Iran
Talk to Israel and Iran
Host leaders of both nations in Delhi
See where it leads.
Worst case - No change, Best case - Jerusalem is split down the middle and Palestine is formed.

If the West cannot see a route other than sanctions or war, India should try to find an alternative way that avoids both.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Whoever is in power in iran we will still get the oil.

we aren't siding with anyone...we are not giving free money to iran or weapons.

With uncle sam in the picture he does not understand nuterality. All he knows is your with us or against us.

So its time for us to make up our mind and move on because the next regime may be a puppet of the west and they may ignore us if USA tells them to.

 

[The Messiah]

With uncle sam in the picture he does not understand nuterality. All he knows is your with us or against us.

So its time for us to make up our mind and move on because the next regime may be a puppet of the west and they may ignore us if USA tells them to.

usa will not do anything against India now...so you're saying we should become lackeys ? i will never accept India bowing to anyone.

the previous regime in iran was a yankee puppet and they were ordered to transfer weapons to pakistan during war with us.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

usa will not do anything against India now...so you're saying we should become lackeys ? i will never accept India bowing to anyone.

the previous regime in iran was a yankee puppet and they were ordered to transfer weapons to pakistan during war with us.

What lackey? If USA is cleaning up Mullah pig stays that we are all against then they are doing our work. To simply miss that massive point and make discions based on emotions is not sane. Its only an ego issue that we should not be lackey but USA is doing us and our way of life a MASSIVE MASSIVE favor by clearing out Af-pak and Iran, something we have been battling since the middle ages.

We should thank USA by saveing our democracy from attack and takeing the heat on themselves.

Previously they did not know India now they do and they have changed sides.. So lets also evolve quickly and not be laggards or lackeys to our own failed policy.

 

[Folk hero]

f.u.c.k USA always global policing bullying small or weak nations looting oil selling weapons to terrorist nations meddling with rising superpowers.

if US going to attack Iran and loot it's oil we should Iran first and take oil for our self.:evil:

i know -----es ana porkiys will be waiting for that.

 

[The Messiah]

What lackey? If USA is cleaning up Mullah pig stays that we are all against then they are doing our work. To simply miss that massive point and make discions based on emotions is not sane. Its only an ego issue that we should not be lackey but USA is doing us and our way of life a MASSIVE MASSIVE favor by clearing out Af-pak and Iran, something we have been battling since the middle ages.

We should thank USA by saveing our democracy from attack and takeing the heat on themselves.

Previously they did not know India now they do and they have changed sides.. So lets also evolve quickly and not be laggards or lackeys to our own failed policy.

and thats why saudi wahabis are allies of usa ? they are the biggest source of terrorism and not iran. fact is that we have better relations now with iran than we had with iran when it was a usa "ally". why is that ? why wasn't iran under the shah a friend to us ?

they have done f**k all in af-pak...tell me 1 incident in which they bombed LeT terrorists ?

 

[panduranghari]

What lackey? If USA is cleaning up Mullah pig stays that we are all against then they are doing our work. To simply miss that massive point and make discions based on emotions is not sane. Its only an ego issue that we should not be lackey but USA is doing us and our way of life a MASSIVE MASSIVE favor by clearing out Af-pak and Iran, something we have been battling since the middle ages.

We should thank USA by saveing our democracy from attack and takeing the heat on themselves.

Previously they did not know India now they do and they have changed sides.. So lets also evolve quickly and not be laggards or lackeys to our own failed policy.

USA cares only about itself. That is a fact.

our democracy does not need protection from anything. Democracy as an system of governance, IMHO, does not have a future anyway.

 

[Mad Indian]

USA cares only about itself. That is a fact.

our democracy does not need protection from anything. Democracy as an system of governance, IMHO, does not have a future anyway.

ever wonder why indian democracy does not work, look in the mirror.

Democracies are sores in the eye for any democratic govt. People always fight for democracy. So having a strong democracy in a neighbourhood is like having a time bomb up the a$$ for autocrats. It will soon begin to make the people fight against the autocrats. Ever wonder why china and porkis are busy trying to dismantle our democracy(both being autocrats)?

We should do what is best for us(whether we sanction or not), but not considering the importance of democracy is suicidal for a democracy.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

and thats why saudi wahabis are allies of usa ? they are the biggest source of terrorism and not iran. fact is that we have better relations now with iran than we had with iran when it was a usa "ally". why is that ? why wasn't iran under the shah a friend to us ?

they have done f**k all in af-pak...tell me 1 incident in which they bombed LeT terrorists ?

When they clean out all immediate dangers they will ask Saudis to also clean up or change. They cant invade Saudi without enraging the whole Muslim world into war. USA is not God, they can only go step by step..

Its time we change our policy to. They are fighting our war and we can never win it ourself.

What FOOLS you people are, the oppurtunity you did not have in a thousand years has showed up and some strong power is helping your week limp a$$ hindu scum and you bring up your little ego and turn your face in Pride now?

Get of your silly high horse.. I mean little donkey your riding on.

 

[The Messiah]

When they clean out all immediate dangers they will ask Saudis to also clean up or change. They cant invade Saudi without enraging the whole Muslim world into war. USA is not God, they can only go step by step..

Its time we change our policy to. They are fighting our war and we can never win it ourself.

What FOOLS you people are, the oppurtunity you did not have in a thousand years has showed up and some strong power is helping your week limp a$$ hindu scum and you bring up your little ego and turn your face in Pride now?

Get of your silly high horse.. I mean little donkey your riding on.

they are not fighting our war.

if not for usa pakis would have been wiped out into insignifance in 1971.

our policy is exactly where it should be ie we are on good terms with iran and israel and usa and russia. you term such a relationship as a failure ?

 

[Godless-Kafir]

they are not fighting our war.

if not for usa pakis would have been wiped out into insignifance in 1971.

our policy is exactly where it should be ie we are on good terms with iran and israel and usa and russia. you term such a relationship as a failure ?

We may not have seen eye to eye with USA in the past but now they are in the same boat. That is good for us, let us not ---- up what we have.

What i am saying is Mulla leadership in Iran will become anti-india if not for their obsession with Anti-USA. Who cares if that mulla regime falls, we should aid US and we need to diversify our oil sources.