Discussion in 'Politics & Society' started by KS, Dec 6, 2012.
Secularism in India basically means handicapping Hindus as against providing sops and props for other religions.
This is playing into the victimhood mentality.
How many billionaires are Hindus vs non-Hindus ?
How many politicians are Hindus vs non-Hindus ?
How many top posts in the govt services are occupied by Hindus vs non-Hindus ?
Hindus despite being 80-85% of the population are represented in equal if not greater proportion in all spheres.
Muslims are some of the poorest, backward and most discriminated against people of India, if the government is giving them sops or props, then what is wrong ? It ties into being a socialist-republic.
Look at the sops given to OBCs, and other powerful votebanks by governments.
And if a muslim says anything, there is a huge uproar on the internet. At the same time no one bats an eyelid when the right wing brigade goes on trashing other religions and communities, and justifying acts of violence.
This is canard. I don't buy it.
It is thanks to our secularism that we are not in the same position as Pakistan and Afghanistan are today.
PLEASE answer my simple question
Who is responsible for this FAULT LINE between Hindus and Muslims
But is there are a faultline ?
India is secular BECAUSE Hindus are INHERENTLY and INTRINSICALLY Secular
Rather, than attributing all the blame to Hindus for being "secular" or was it "sickular"
I would attribute to India being secular to Indians themselves.
But, are you ?
Correction the word 'Secular' was added to the constitution by the congress govt for purpose of appeasement, there was no national vote to ask the masses if the word should be added or not but on second thoughts all laws in the nation are passed without popular mass vote. The secular should be swapped with 'Appeased'.
Some guys are knocking your door. Mocking Constitution? we will learn soon.....
Babri Masjid is anything but a upper caste uprising
Atleast in Public.
The parting shot in the last line is really powerful, goes to show that even in the press everyone is not a delusional idiot...
Our secularism?? Typical marxist rubbish....
Bell the cat....Any volunteers please line up!
I am ready.
Though I speak very highly about my religion and caste, I don't really follow it.
I was born and brought up a Hindu, studied in a Christian school, had many Muslim friends. I hardly had any problems with any religion.
The 80s were the period of backward caste uprising in India .The Brahmin elitehad it nice and warm through out the 80s.Majority of north Indian CMs during that period were either Thakurs or Brahmins.Babri and Mandal destroyed that equations completely.It is a cardinal mistake to call Babri an upper caste uprising
Post Babri Congress lost its minority vote bank permanently in north india
Right. Muslims and Christians can start complaining about secularism the day Muslims stop feeling polygamy defines their religion and Christians to have educational institutions funded by govt that admit mainly Christians. I am not talking about other minorities because they do not complain or demand as much as these two groups, so far.
I will consider Hindus have a level playing field when -
mosques, churches and gurudwaras are administered by the state as for temples
Imams, Pastors etc are appointed by govt
donations in mosques, gurudwaras and churches go to the state and are used for the good of all citizens (AFAIK 10% of Catholic church collections are sent to Vatican - someone correct me if I am wrong)
Hindus are allowed to have educational institutions/trusts that are exclusively for Hindus
Actually many sops are indeed given..but they are shallow and lack the real motive to uplift them or they are not making proper use of the facilities..things like Article 30 are blatantly anti-Hindu and their existence is justified through secularism...so in that perspective there is truth in the words When India decided that it was â€œsecular,â€ what it really meant, without spelling it out, was that Hindus, who make up the majority of the nation, would have to accommodate themselves to the ways of other religions, even if this meant taking some cultural blows.
In India, secularism is a loaded word which has come to symbolize a perverse sense of anti-hindu opinions and unabashedly pro-muslim/christian sentiment. Nothing wrong perse..but everything has to be in a limit.
@arkem8 and @KS
Would you two agree with the assertion that Babri masjid is an upper caste uprising
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