Secularism in Search of a Nation

Discussion in 'Politics & Society' started by KS, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    8,008
    Likes Received:
    5,718
    Location:
    irrelevant
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/asia/06iht-letter06.html?ref=global-home&_r=0

     
  2.  
  3. parijataka

    parijataka Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2011
    Messages:
    4,893
    Likes Received:
    3,688
    Location:
    Bengaluru
    Secularism in India basically means handicapping Hindus as against providing sops and props for other religions.
     
    JBH22, maomao, rock127 and 3 others like this.
  4. Singh

    Singh Phat Cat Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2009
    Messages:
    20,305
    Likes Received:
    8,270
    Location:
    011
    This is playing into the victimhood mentality.

    How many billionaires are Hindus vs non-Hindus ?
    How many politicians are Hindus vs non-Hindus ?
    How many top posts in the govt services are occupied by Hindus vs non-Hindus ?
    Hindus despite being 80-85% of the population are represented in equal if not greater proportion in all spheres.

    Muslims are some of the poorest, backward and most discriminated against people of India, if the government is giving them sops or props, then what is wrong ? It ties into being a socialist-republic.

    Look at the sops given to OBCs, and other powerful votebanks by governments.

    And if a muslim says anything, there is a huge uproar on the internet. At the same time no one bats an eyelid when the right wing brigade goes on trashing other religions and communities, and justifying acts of violence.

    This is canard. I don't buy it.
     
  5. civfanatic

    civfanatic Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Messages:
    4,562
    Likes Received:
    2,526
    Location:
    తెలంగాణ
    It is thanks to our secularism that we are not in the same position as Pakistan and Afghanistan are today.
     
  6. pankaj nema

    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2009
    Messages:
    3,450
    Likes Received:
    1,407
    PLEASE answer my simple question

    Who is responsible for this FAULT LINE between Hindus and Muslims
     
    maomao and panduranghari like this.
  7. Singh

    Singh Phat Cat Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2009
    Messages:
    20,305
    Likes Received:
    8,270
    Location:
    011
    But is there are a faultline ?
     
  8. pankaj nema

    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2009
    Messages:
    3,450
    Likes Received:
    1,407
    No sir

    India is secular BECAUSE Hindus are INHERENTLY and INTRINSICALLY Secular
     
    maomao, rock127, jackprince and 3 others like this.
  9. Singh

    Singh Phat Cat Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2009
    Messages:
    20,305
    Likes Received:
    8,270
    Location:
    011
    Rather, than attributing all the blame to Hindus for being "secular" or was it "sickular"
    I would attribute to India being secular to Indians themselves.

    But, are you ?
     
    Energon likes this.
  10. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    8,008
    Likes Received:
    5,718
    Location:
    irrelevant

    :yawn::yawn:
     
    maomao likes this.
  11. Defenceindia2010

    Defenceindia2010 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    315
    Location:
    LAND OF THE WARRIORS
    Correction the word 'Secular' was added to the constitution by the congress govt for purpose of appeasement, there was no national vote to ask the masses if the word should be added or not but on second thoughts all laws in the nation are passed without popular mass vote. The secular should be swapped with 'Appeased'. :tsk:
     
    maomao likes this.
  12. Sabir

    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2009
    Messages:
    2,118
    Likes Received:
    782
    Some guys are knocking your door. Mocking Constitution? we will learn soon.....:taunt:
     
  13. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2009
    Messages:
    5,326
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    Babri Masjid is anything but a upper caste uprising
     
    KS likes this.
  14. SPIEZ

    SPIEZ Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,507
    Likes Received:
    1,009
    Ban religion.

    Atleast in Public.
     
    Snuggy321 likes this.
  15. arkem8

    arkem8 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2010
    Messages:
    643
    Likes Received:
    814


    The parting shot in the last line is really powerful, goes to show that even in the press everyone is not a delusional idiot...
    Our secularism?? Typical marxist rubbish....
    Bell the cat....Any volunteers please line up!
     
    maomao and panduranghari like this.
  16. SPIEZ

    SPIEZ Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,507
    Likes Received:
    1,009
    I am ready.

    Though I speak very highly about my religion and caste, I don't really follow it.

    I was born and brought up a Hindu, studied in a Christian school, had many Muslim friends. I hardly had any problems with any religion.
     
  17. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2009
    Messages:
    5,326
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    The 80s were the period of backward caste uprising in India .The Brahmin elitehad it nice and warm through out the 80s.Majority of north Indian CMs during that period were either Thakurs or Brahmins.Babri and Mandal destroyed that equations completely.It is a cardinal mistake to call Babri an upper caste uprising
     
  18. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2009
    Messages:
    5,326
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    Post Babri Congress lost its minority vote bank permanently in north india
     
  19. parijataka

    parijataka Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2011
    Messages:
    4,893
    Likes Received:
    3,688
    Location:
    Bengaluru
    Right. Muslims and Christians can start complaining about secularism the day Muslims stop feeling polygamy defines their religion and Christians to have educational institutions funded by govt that admit mainly Christians. I am not talking about other minorities because they do not complain or demand as much as these two groups, so far.

    I will consider Hindus have a level playing field when -

    1. mosques, churches and gurudwaras are administered by the state as for temples
    2. Imams, Pastors etc are appointed by govt
    3. donations in mosques, gurudwaras and churches go to the state and are used for the good of all citizens (AFAIK 10% of Catholic church collections are sent to Vatican - someone correct me if I am wrong)
    4. Hindus are allowed to have educational institutions/trusts that are exclusively for Hindus
     
  20. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    Messages:
    8,008
    Likes Received:
    5,718
    Location:
    irrelevant
    Actually many sops are indeed given..but they are shallow and lack the real motive to uplift them or they are not making proper use of the facilities..things like Article 30 are blatantly anti-Hindu and their existence is justified through secularism...so in that perspective there is truth in the words When India decided that it was “secular,” what it really meant, without spelling it out, was that Hindus, who make up the majority of the nation, would have to accommodate themselves to the ways of other religions, even if this meant taking some cultural blows.

    In India, secularism is a loaded word which has come to symbolize a perverse sense of anti-hindu opinions and unabashedly pro-muslim/christian sentiment. Nothing wrong perse..but everything has to be in a limit.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2012
    maomao likes this.
  21. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2009
    Messages:
    5,326
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    @arkem8 and @KS
    Would you two agree with the assertion that Babri masjid is an upper caste uprising
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2015

Share This Page