'Secularism' in preamble has left Indians divided: HC

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  1. parijataka

    parijataka Senior Member Senior Member

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    While the learned judge says our Constitution guarantees freedom to practice any religion he has disposed off the plea of Kashmiri Pandits for protection to their temples in J & K.

    Seems secularism is a stick to beat Hindus with anywhere and everywhere in India.

    'Secularism' in preamble has left Indians divided: HC

    SRINAGAR: The Jammu and Kashmir high court has directed the Centre and chief election commissioner to act against politicians who seek people's mandate in elections by invoking religious nationalism, to prevent them from subverting the Constitution of the country.

    "In our constitutional philosophy, there is only one 'ism that is Indianism. All other isms are sworn enemies of Indianism. Any person claiming to be Hindu nationalist, Muslim nationalist, Sikh nationalist, Buddhist nationalist or Christian nationalist is not only working against Indianism but against the very thought of India," Justice Muzaffar Hussain Attar said in a landmark judgement earlier this week.

    Disposing of a petition filed by Kashmiri Pandits seeking protection of their religious places, Justice Attar observed that it appears that "in terms of Constitution of India, which guarantees all the rights, which include right to practice and profess one's religion and faith, there was no requirement of bringing in expression 'secularism' in the preamble of the Constitution.

    "This expression has evoked sharp reaction from a section of population and divided people of the country into different pigeon holes of different isms. A very serious and potential threat is posed to the very existence of the idea of India by the fringe elements, who take cover under various types of isms other than Indianism.

    "India is not a Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist or Christian India. It is India which is born from the bosom of unrelenting struggle of millions of people," he said.

    The court directed all constitutional authorities and the Union government to ensure that anyone attempting to subvert Constitution of India is stopped by taking recourse to the provisions of the law.
     
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    Just my thought and what I have been saying in essence.
     
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    Good direction by the court, but i dont think parties are going to stop using religious nationalism or "secularism" to gain votes or appease a certain side, As long as one exists the other will too.

    But then I really think the constitution needs a rework, secularism and stressing one nation etc, but separate laws for each community?
     
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    even if India has come out of colonial rule as a Hindu Nation, It still would have been a secular nation.

    Now we are a pseudo secular nation, where secularism is demanded only from its majority faith.
     
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    Secularisn became part of preamble of constitution only in 1975, were we not secular before that? What were we before that?
     
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    Secularism - the very word is a Joke as practised in India.

    Whereas it is to unite all elements that comprises of India, it has only driven a knife into the very fabric of India.
     
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    What is Indianism? :rofl: Some new 'religion'?
     
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    Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir high

    BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi’s remark that he was a ‘Hindu nationalist’ stirred a debate earlier this year, but the Jammu and Kashmir high court has ruled that any person claiming affiliation with any form of religious nationalism shall be barred from contesting elections.

    “In our constitutional scheme, a citizen of India is only an Indian. No person can claim himself to be a Hindu nationalist, Muslim nationalist, Sikh nationalist, Buddhist nationalist or a Christian nationalist,” justice Muzaffar Hussain Attar said in the ruling on Thursday.

    “The constitutional provision is loud and clear (about it) and in unambiguous terms forbids using such expression,” he added.

    Justice Attar said a very serious and potential threat is posed to the very existence of the idea of India by “the fringe elements, who take cover under various types of ‘isms’ other than Indianism”.

    Attar’s observation came while hearing a petition filed by Sanjay Tickoo, president of the Kashmiri Pandit Sangarsh Samiti (KPSS), a body of Kashmiri Pandits who stayed back in the valley in the face of armed rebellion in 1990s.

    Tickoo had moved a petition on safeguarding the Hindu temples in the valley saying “the ‘secular’ character of the Constitution would require the state and its authorities to protect the religious places”.

    The petition said some non-Kashmiri Mahants had illegally allowed use of religious properties for commercial purposes and sought action against them.

    The judge has directed the chief secretary “to take all required steps in accordance with law for protection of religious places of Hindus.”

    Earlier this year, Modi described himself as a ‘Hindu nationalist’ because he was a born Hindu.

    “I am a nationalist. I'm patriotic. Nothing is wrong. I am born Hindu. Nothing is wrong. So I'm a Hindu nationalist,” he said in Gujarat in July this year during an interview with an international news agency. His remarks ruffled many a feather.

    However, justice Attar said, "A person, who persists in use of such expression/s and, in fact, believes in such a thought, has to be dealt with according to constitutional mandate and other laws of the land."

    Can't be Hindu or Muslim nationalist in India: J-K court - Hindustan Times
     
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    same story by Hindustan times

     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    That's funny coming from a region where most people don't count themselves as Indians and don't allow other Indians to settle and where Jihadis have been waging a war against Hindus since 80s.
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    wrong.people from kashmir regard themselves as indians,even though small percentage of people are with pakistan.this includes muslims
    indian constitution doesn't allow a non kashmiri person to buy a property or settle in kashmir.
    jihadis are currently extinct/endangered species in jammu and kashmir.with effort from indian army their extinction from J&K and PAKISTAN depends purely on political commitment
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    I'm surprised that J&K even have an HC lol.
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    The Sanctity and authority of J&K HC shouldn't be doubted because the region has some separatist elements.

    This is a good judgement on the topic of Secularism which has been so far misunderstood and misused.
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir


    This is the beauty of secularism!

    Wipe out Hindus from your regions, then claim secularism and use this BS secularism to denounce Hindu nationalism which is the only roadblock for the nefarious designs of these secular people....start is Kashmir then it's Assam, bengal and so on!
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    This thing i really dont like that Indians cant go and settle in Kashmir but Kashmiris can come and settle anywhere in India . These Kashmiris are flooding all over India and do get lot of benefits from the central government . Be it Kashmiri Pandits, kashmiris Muslims , they all live good lives compare to Indians as they get all of ours tax money .
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    i wonder why people didt open their mouth when mms says only muslims have first right over indian resources? No one said nothing like hindu or muslims has rights over resources
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    Who is getting wiped out and from where ? Mainland India is being flooded by Punjabis and Kashmiris and on that Gujrathis are keep on moving towards South . Where as South Indians are very less in North India .
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    I fail to understand What Modi has said was according to the context of the question asked by the interviewer not him proclaiming himself hindu nationalist!

    The original question from journalist was when asked people say you are hindu nationalist!
    His reply was logic, if by birth he is a hindu and he became a nationalist then he is called hindu nationalist what is wrong in that?
    Or do we have to have political correctness here too?
    If i am born hindu i would say im hindu and if im communist or nationalist i would say i am affiliated to such
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    I never knew South Indians are being ethnically cleansed by Gujaratis the way secular people did to Kashmiri communal Hindus!

    BTW I find ever increasing south Indian population in North India cities from engineers to nurses they are all flooding the North!
     
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    Re: Nothing like Hindu or Muslim nationalism exists in India: Kashmir

    Bingo right on the spot they quote constitution but they don't allow people of other parts of India to buy land there or even stay there!
    Double standards!
     

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