Search for suspected submarine near Stockholm

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  1. W.G.Ewald

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    Sweden intensifies search for suspected submarine near Stockholm

    In 1981 a Soviet sub ran aground in Swedish waters.

    Soviet submarine S-363 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    There is the claim that Russia has infiltrated the waters.

    One wonders why.

    Possibly as a practice to try out some plans wherein the access to the North Sea becomes more undetectable?
     
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    four days of continued search and still going on and nothing was found i Wonder even if the sub was there 4 days ago i don't think it will be still lurking in that part of the area
     
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    Most likely there is no Russian sub.

    However the event shows the paranoia developing in Europe.
     
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    So these guys concluded from this Super HQ pic that this is a Russian Sub. :lol:

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    Also how does this work ?
    They say they got a tip-off from a credible source, now won't the source be exposed ?
    Something fishy ? (no pun)

    In the end they'll simply say something like "There was some mysterious sub, which has now left the area". Already a lot of media has labelled it Russian Sub. This of course will make the common Swede paranoid about the Russian and thus the desired effect is achieved. :yey:
     
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    Quite possibly there was no sub. But, it's not paranoia when something is actually happening and Russian violations of countries borders has been increasing, for obvious reasons.

    The Swedish navy left port. It's an ongoing military operation, the media wont be told the details (google up OPSEC).

    Another user mentioning paranoia :confused:

    Unlike many other nations, Sweden takes its border security very seriously. The Swedish Navy repeated attacked i.e.tried to destroy, Soviet submarines, particularly in the 1980's.

    Swedish submarine incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I really hope this wasn't a Russian submarine and if it was I feel most sorry for the poor Russian submariners, risking their lives so some morons can feel more of a man.
     
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    Swedish navy widens search for mystery submarine
     
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    Swedish 'Cold War' thriller exposes Baltic Sea nerves over Russia
     
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    Reported by RT: http://rt.com/news/197412-sweden-sub-dutch-russia/

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    Could be a Russian submarine testing their (un)detectable-ness. Could be the Dutch submarine. Or, could be a total hoax, just to get the people of Sweden nervous, rake up the fictitious Russian threat, and coax them to join NATO. Of course, the best way to get an entire nation angry is to shoot down a passenger jet and blame it on Russia.

    I will wait for evidence about this Loch-Ness Monster. Excuses like "we have evidence but it is classified" ain't gonna work.
     
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    Maskirovka... is amazing how people from non media- savvy countries can be fooled so easily.

    But, in this case blaming the Dutch (MH17)... 0% shame, 100% asking for kicking. If the Dutch and Malaysia agree to invade Russia tomorrow, I'll (an Australian) sign up straight away.
     
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    First it is NOT cold war. Tensions aside, Russia IS NOT about to invade Sweden.

    There may be a sub or it may be a hoax. The picture taken by some non-military person can easily be a hoax. The point here is that the military takes actions not based on its own intelligence but based on someone sending a picture.

    They will make more stories after this incident to hide their ineptness.

    Russia is NOT LIKELY to confront Sweden through a sub in the Baltic sea. It makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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    From CNN:

    So there is no confirmed sighting, only radio intercepts. RDF could locate origin of transmissions from nominal Russian sub, but not were they directed unless a another station was heard. So as of now all conjecture is based on signals intelligence. As far as I have read, there are no sonar signatures detected for what is claimed.
     
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    Sweden ready to use force to surface sub - The Local

    Timeline: Mystery 'submarine' in Stockholm - The Local
     
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    Sweden gets two new sightings, as hunt for undersea intruder goes on

    Supreme Commander General Sverker Göranson and Admiral Anders Grenstad are articulating different objectives if sources are accurate.
     
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    Any news / updates, please.

    :scared2:
     
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    Nothing will come out of this search.

    First, assuming it is a Russian sub, it can operate underwater and move quite a long distance in the 5 days this operation has lasted. So most likely the sub is no longer there is the area of search.

    Second the radio signal could be a method to check the capability and readiness of Swedes and their possible response.
     

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