Savarkar mooted two-nation theory: Digvijay Singh

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    After the 'Sanghi terrorism' issue, Congress general secretary Digvijay Singh sought to stir a fresh controversy alleging that freedom fighter Veer Savarkar was the first to moot the two-nation theory that led to partition.

    "It was Veer Savarkar who first mooted the idea of a two-nation theory which was later adopted by Muhammad Ali Jinnah," Singh told reporters. He said he had made these remarks at a book launch function at the India Islamic Cultural Centre. Singh said he was trying to make a point that extreme communal ideologies create a divide.

    His contention was that Veer Savarkar was a non-believer who also coined the word Hindutva. He pointed out that Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, was also a non-believer. "All extreme ideological people are non-believers. A good Hindu or a good Muslim is always a believer," he said. The BJP and the Sangh Parivar have always held that Jinnah was the proponent of the two-nation theory which eventually led to the creation of Pakistan. However, followers of Savarkar contend that Sir Muhammad Iqbal, after becoming the Muslim League President in 1930, had for the first time publicly demanded an "independent,sovereign Muslim state."

    Singh, a known detractor of the BJP and the Sangh parivar, also attacked the opposition party over the issue of the hoisting national tricolour at Lal Chowk in Srinagar. "These people only want to hoist the flag at contentious places like the Lal Chowk and Idgah in Hubli. They only want to create disturbance," he said. "They (BJP) would like to hoist the flag or construct a temple only where there is dispute. Why do they not hoist the tricolour at the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh headquarters?" Singh said.

    The AICC general secretary also attacked senior BJP leader L K Advani for his criticism of the government on the issue of black money. "What efforts he (Advani) made to bring back the black money from foreign banks during his tenure as deputy prime minister of the country," he asked. Singh, who is the AICC incharge for Uttar Pradesh also took a dig at Mayawati government in the state over the issue of law and order. "How can law and order improve in a state when money is taken for appointing and transferring police officers," Singh said.

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  3. KS

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    Good.

    Now next is what Jinnah was a closet Hindu ??
     
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    warriorextreme Senior Member Senior Member

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    swatantryavir vinayak damodar savarkar and Jinna both were atheists...
    and yes me too agree with this..
    besides he always had foresight..he knew that if these so called people who dont want to be with india then partition is only solution...
    when many stood against gandhiji's decision to help British in WW2,savarkarji who had been known for going against gandhiji stood with him on this decision
     
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    Savarkar was first to moot two-nation theory??

    Digvijay Singh & all other so-called supremo politicians of this country, let me give you a serious piece of advice; please your voters/communities by literally licking their heinies or come what may but, stop embarrassing yourself by faking views of the greatest souls this world has ever seen or might see.

    Its a shame to see how generations of post-independent India have failed to find alternative way to hold power sourced from myriad groups than being non-intellectual moegoe.
     
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    How can someone stoop so low for the vote of a particular community kitna ghatya insaan hain.
     
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    Let Digvijay Singh write a book and come up with his evidence before the people.

    Then, let that be verified independently by other historians and by the documents he presents.

    What are Digvijay Singh's credentials as a historian anyway?

    The BJP have always talked of Savarkar speaking of "Akhanda Prachanda Bharat" (United Powerful India). So let's see...
     
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    Oh please stop relating any statement that comes from any congress leader to be for "minority easement". Today which indian muslim would be even bothered by who did what 63 years ago and why would that effect his choice of vote? Wow what a reason to cast your vote in favor of congress. Look he called savarkar the instigator of 2 nation theory. Now that is going to fetch me 3 square meals a day and a house and good clothes. Grow up people and stop coming up with baseless assumptions. Rich urban muslim population probably never votes like the rest, rural lot are more bothered about their crops and minimum support price than who formulated the 2 nation theory.
     
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    as it is related to BJP..i just think it is an attempt to divert countries attention from black money issue and other numerous corruptions by congress.
     
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    It has nothing to do with the BJP or the congress. Digvijay told this. He is making all kinds of statements these days. How is it going to divert anyone's attention from other pressing issues? I am still going to buy onions and tomatoes and dal tomorrow and I am still going to feel the pinch and bother about that more.
     
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    when top leader of a political party issues a statement its definitely a political statement and are meant to achieve some political mileage out of it . Its a political gimmick to appease certain section of the society and distract them from corruption issue.Its a political stunt In same manner Ekta/tiranga yatra by BJP was termed a political stunt .
     
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    How cheap can Con-party people get? This shows the level... yup, cheaper than cheapest.....
     
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    launch of a book RSS 26/11 on December 6 that Singh claimed he had talked to Hemant Karkare before he was killed, and that he appeared concerned about threats to his family from saffron activists.

    During a book launch function at the India Islamic Centre, Singh stated, "Savarkar ([COLOR=#9A0003 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important][COLOR=#9A0003 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]Indian[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] freedom fighter) had the original idea of the two-nation theory which was later adopted by Jinnah."

    in the future....launch of book on Space Tech claimed that Neil Armstrong was not the first to step foot on Moon's surface cause it was all setup in a studio etc...
     
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    Yusuf you may be right that today "indian muslim would be even bothered by who did what 63 years ago and why would that effect his choice of vote". But it's apparent that many political parties from Congress to the left clearly think that raking up such issues is going to fetch them Muslim votes..because in their perception (right or wrong) it DID fetch them votes in the past.

    If indeed Indian muslims are unconcerned with this nonsense, then why are these poltical parties indulging in something which they know is bound to irk many citizens of this country? If they claim to represent the interests of muslims, then why not work towards "3 square meals a day and a house and good clothes...their crops and minimum support price" [rather] "than who formulated the 2 nation theory'. Clearly they cannot be so dumb as to totally miss the message, especially one which has the potential to upset all apple carts. There can be three (maybe more) explanations (in my opinion) for this

    1. The politicos genuinely believe that Indian Muslims are swayed by such rhetoric, based on their arbitrary surveys, meetings with the so-called community leaders or their workers on the ground.

    2. This is a smokescreen, a hogwash to deflect attentions from their failure to fulfill the aspirations of Indian masses irrespective of religion and community, which is, Roti, Kapda, Makaan. They feel that by pandering to specific sections in the society they can divide the masses, create confusion and distract them from more pressing issues

    3. Some Indian muslims who are probably more infleuntial and more vocal, strongly believe that these issues are more important for Indian Muslims and so relations with Pakistan, two-nation theory, Jammu and Kashmir, Tasleema Nasrin, Osama bin Laden et al are to be treaded carefully.

    I feel the truth lies somewhere in between.
     
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    While accusations of minority apeasement (read apeasement of Muslims) is common against Congress and the Left, BJP cannot be exonarated from this either. BJP leaders have been openly supporting the anti-land acquisition agitation, led by TMC and Jamiat Ulema-i-Hind with the active backing of the Maoists in Nandigram.

    Check out these links:
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jamiatcpm-rift-widens/25993/
    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_charred-body-of-child-found-in-nandigram_1088306
    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1081227/jsp/bengal/story_10308272.jsp
     
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    Butas the recent elections in Bihar have proven that once the safety and security is guaranteed (which is the constitutional responsibility of the state in any case) then JD(U)/BJP can get the votes on development agenda no matter what the Congress says or the RJD says.


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    Ontopic,

    The fact that Sarvarkar was an atheist is well know. Also in his book "The war of Independence 1857" published in 1909 he was an advocate on Hindu-Muslim unity and its importance to achieve independance and apprecaited the role of Muslims in 1857. This changed post his release from the British prison ofcourse where he wrote "Hindutva"

    Jinnah also until the 1930s was an Indian Nationalist. an ardent advocate of Hindu-Muslim unity and considered himself "Indian First, Indian Last" and was a close friend of Tilak and Gokhale and defended Tilak in British Indian court against a sedition charge http://www.hindustantimes.com/Where-Jinnah-defended-Tilak/Article1-514641.aspx. But he was a atheist more or less as well, and regardless of who mooted TNT first both supported it. I posted this article earlier as well


     
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    As erroneous as the claim is,if Savarkar had mooted the two nation theory,why did congress, which has steadfastly opposed everything coming from the tallest of Hindutva ideologue,bring about the actual fruition of his theory.Was Savarkar's influence on the Muslim community so strong that they took to streets,looting,raping and burning the country until they go their homeland,because Savarkar had proposed they,the Muslims, should have nation of their own.How is diggy's party going to go about undoing Savarkar's theory,surely its a sacrilege to allow it to stand.

    Diggy is a consummate liar and will sell every last ounce of his character and integrity to do the bidding of his mistress.

    P.S:Savrakar's life came to an end in the highest tradition of the Hindu Dharma,by renouncing all attachment with the body,neither caring for it nor healing its ailment caused by old age.V.D Savarkars' life,thoughts and mission was something people with significantly lesser intellect could not simply fathom,neither then nor at this time.Diggy should stick to things in his own intellectual league,like promoting his theory that 'RSS carried out the Mumbai 26/11 attacks"
     
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    People have views and these views change with time. People change allegiances and parties and sometimes defect. Some call them converts, some call them turncoats. The point is that at what point of his life (or circa. which year) did Savarkar mooted Two-Nation Theory, if at all? Even Dr. Ambedkar at one point proposed a Three-Nation Theory for Hindss, Muslims and SC/STs.
     
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    Our problem is, we Indians love living in the past. Who cares about the partition now? It happened 63 years ago. Move on. India is progressing, we need not worry about the past. The more we hold onto the past the more backwards we will go. As soon as we let go of the past, Hindu extremism will cease to exist. Same for Islamic extremism.

    After all, both forms of extremism exist because of a real and/or perceived sense of previous persecution. It's literally become 'an eye for an eye' situation now, which will only become worse if it doesn't end now.

    We shouldn't be worried with who ignited the partition in 1947. What we should be worried is about what we need to do to ensure that another partition doesn't occur in this country. And that can only be achieved by ensuring communal harmony.

    Digvijay Singh's comments won't do the country any good at this point.
     
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    yusuf , certainly this statement is made to appease the muslims . muslims feel happy if the guilt of formulating the two-nation theory is shifted away form some-one belonging to their community to their well-known detractor savarkar--thus the accusation that muslims divided the country gets diluted , making muslims feel better about themselves .
     
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    Why don't you go ahead and commission a survey to find out how many or what percentage of muslims in india even know about the two nation theory?
    Instead of taking a academic view of the statement, its been taken in the context of vote bank politics. everything cannot be from that angle. I even didn't take Advanis statements on jinnah as ones to appease muslims but in an academic topic. Research and prove or disprove it.
    If what I read of savarkar, it says he clearly saw hindus and muslims as two nations but yes he didn't want partition. So it is a fact that savarkar advocated the two nation theory. Jinnah too it up further to demand two separate states with a line drawn in the middle.
     

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