Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-16

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  1. Ash

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    ABU DHABI — Saudi Arabia has been examining the prospect of becoming a partner in Pakistan’s fighter jet program.

    Officials said the Saudi Defense Ministry has been reviewing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet program.
    The officials said representatives of the ministry as well as the Royal Saudi Air Force were examining the feasibility of procuring JF-17 as part of cooperation with Islamabad.“This project could provide the kingdom with technology that could be used in future projects,” an official said.

    On Jan. 20, Saudi Deputy Defense Minister Prince Salman Bin Sultan visited Pakistan and toured the JF-17 project, modeled after the U.S.-origin F-16 and which entered production in late 2013. Salman, hosted by Pakistani Chief of Staff Gen. Raheel Sharif, was said to have focused on enhanced defense cooperation, including training and an exchange of expertise.

    “During the meeting, matters of mutual interest, regional security and enhanced bilateral defense collaboration including training exchange program were discussed,” an official statement said.

    Pakistan has been deemed the leading strategic ally of Saudi Arabia. Western diplomats said Pakistan, with assistance from China, has provided ballistic missiles and non-conventional weapons expertise to the Gulf
    Cooperation Council kingdom.Officials said Pakistan has offered to supply the Saudi military with aircraft, main battle tanks and submarines. They said the offer included technology transfer as well as co-production in Saudi Arabia.
    “The expectation is that Saudi purchases from Pakistan will increase over the coming year,” the official said.

    Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-16 | World Tribune
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    JF 17 is just an upgraded version of MIG 21. It lacks Maneuverability and it is interesting to know what features of F16 the latest version of JF17 is incorporating.
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    saudis increasing cooperation with pakis........with US relaxing their policies on iran, it seems saudis are knocking on every available doors to counter iran. Anyway lca would have been a better choice had the production fully started.....
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    Which technology the reporter is talking of?
    Engine: Russian
    Radar: China (Russian copied)
    Avionics: Mainly Chinese + European
    Airframe: Chinese
    Raw material for airframe: China
    Software: China
    Tires, Parachute brakes etc: China
    Design: China

    Whats is pakistan's contribution: 50% money during development + payment on soft loans for aircraft cost + assembling Radar, disassembled airframes, avionics etc.

    JF-17: Purely metal frame + no full fledged fly by wire + still no confirmed BVR (important because already 2 squadrons are in service) + 3000 hrs life + Only Chinese BVR missiles (in future), since no one shares code source for BVR missiles for integration with foreign radars + Hardly a 4th gen aircraft (yes I mean it).
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    Has Russia approved engine resale to Saudi Arabia?

    Till that happens or the Chinese engine matures, this deal can't materialize.
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    RD-93 reexport is fully granted.
    JF-17 is not a complete Chinese development. It bases on MiG LFI-80 (Fighter for Special Periods - cheap fighter for war-time production) project.
    The case is that approxymately 1/3 of former MiG engineers has emigrated into China after MiG DB disaster in harsh 90-s.
    So, we can see many "very Chinese" faces on several photos. They are "Chinese" engineers Li-Si-Tsin, Si-Ni-Tsin and Van-Ju-Shin (from the Soviet Korean War time folklore) :p
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    My bad, Russia has allowed reexport of RD-93 to Saudi Arabia.

    Russia blocks sale of engines for Sino-Pak fighter jets - Hindustan Times
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    Paki's must be jumping out of joy :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

    Buy 1 JF-17 and get 1 Paki Pilot, life time support/ugrades FREE :lol:

    Why would Saaudi's are even reviewing that Junk Fighter in the first place? the recent Saaudi - Amreeka stranded relationship over Iran crisis? :noidea:
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    why would rich man would buy cheap car.

    same way why would KSA would buy cheap fighter when they can afford top of the line fighter.
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    key words in the original post include - partner, co-production, tech transfer, shared expertise, strategic ally.

    see the full array of offers our pal Pakistan proposes to GCC?

    these things cant b bought with money even the capability of "reverse engineering"

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    Come on KSA dont even fly their own fighters they have foreign fighters. Do you seriously care to have production facility. All they need to do is to call and fighter will be at their runway. They are so loaded with $$$$.
     
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    Yeah, Saudis have no tech or experience to produce any viable fighters, even such a simple one as JF-17.
    And no country except China will transfer that techs to them.
     
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    KSA, welcome aboard JF17 too!:thumb:

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    What a combination, designed by Isrealis based on F-16, a Russian engine, french avionics and Chinese duplicates... Saudis have gone mad!!!
     
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    first pakibeggars begs money from china,then china gives them loan and pakibeggars invest that loan money back into chinese defence programs,

    its like you buying loan from the same who is selling you a car.
     
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    Saudi`s need a cheap aircraft to bomb rebels out at cheaper price than using some big F-15 ..
     
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    China eventually could end up arming all unworthy buyers (mostly in africa and middle east) and fuel an arms race, they lack the conscience for it anyway. It could be more dangerous than the arms race fueled by the cold war, at least in those days there were set allies and factions to whom arms would be sold to.
     
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    Saudi Arabia May Buy Pakistani-Chinese Fighter Jets | The Diplomat
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    Re: Saudi eyeing Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter jet, modeled from U.S. F-1

    may be saudi want to equipped taliban with jf-17. as it is proved saudi are the biggest funder of taliban in pakistan
     
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    so great !

    then we have more saudi junk to shoot down and inflict more damage :D

    just in case :D

    who buys jf-17 anyway ? except saudiz of course :rofl:
     

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