Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and Joint

[Neo]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

Considering even Pakistan just assemble JF-17 components manufactured in Chinese factories I don't know how much different will be it for Saudis.

Another misperception often created by Indians is that JF-17 Thunder is being assembled in Pakistan. Pakistan is producing and licence building 26% f the aircraft in the second fase. During third (final) fase, 60% of the aircraft and vital components will be produced in Pakistan according tothe original agreement.

 

[Blackwater]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

Another misperception often created by Indians is that JF-17 Thunder is being assembled in Pakistan. Pakistan is producing and licence building 26% f the aircraft in the second fase. During third (final) fase, 60% of the aircraft and vital components will be produced in Pakistan according tothe original agreement.

can u pls elaborate what 26% parts pakistan produce for JF-17???

i have heard from sources PAF kamra is full of Chinese Eng who assemble JF-17

 

[Neo]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

well ,money is not the issue for saudis. JF-17 still has to prove war worthiness. it''s still 3.5 gen aircraft. strange saudis are interested in it .

Wrong, its a 4th gen aircraft and block 3 will be a 4+ gen with Aesa, IFR, BVR, Irist and advanced weapon suit and avionics.

may be there is some other story in it. may be pak needs funds in pretext of involving Saudis in the name of islam. Just like they blackmailed saudis for the last 65 yrs in the name of islam.

Not only Saudis but 12 diferent countries including some non muslim countries are showing interest in the JF-17.
You can travel to the moon to find logic answers but the simple truth is that its an excellent plane, alredy dubbed the poor man's F-16 by Allan Warren. (AFM)

 

[Blackwater]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

well ,money is not the issue for saudis. JF-17 still has to prove war worthiness. it''s still 3.5 gen aircraft. strange saudis are interested in it .

Wrong, its a 4th gen aircraft and block 3 will be a 4+ gen with Aesa, IFR, BVR, Irist and advanced weapon suit and avionics.

block 3 is still on papers not on ground,so talk what is actual


Not only Saudis but 12 diferent countries including some non muslim countries are showing interest in the JF-17.
You can travel to the moon to find logic answers but the simple truth is that its an excellent plane, alredy dubbed the poor man's F-16 by Allan Warren. (AFM)

12 countries interested still u cant sell so far. so pls accept the fact that, there is still room for improvement in order to sell this plane

 

[Apollyon]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

can u pls elaborate what 26% parts pakistan produce for JF-17???

i have heard from sources PAF kamra is full of Chinese Eng who assemble JF-17

Pakis have Chinese Engineers assembling Made in China Parts designed by Chinese Engineers using Chinese Machinery in Pakistan.

 

[Dazzler]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

well ,money is not the issue for saudis. JF-17 still has to prove war worthiness. it''s still 3.5 gen aircraft. strange saudis are interested in it .

may be there is some other story in it. may be pak needs funds in pretext of involving Saudis in the name of islam. Just like they blackmailed saudis for the last 65 yrs in the name of islam.

they are interested in it, came by themselves, not the other way around.

 

[Blackwater]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

they are interested in it, came by themselves, not the other way around.

you misses the spot

pak needs funds in pretext of involving Saudis in the name of islam. Just like they blackmailed saudis for the last 65 yrs in the name of islam.

this is the truth

recently ur army chief went to saudi for what????

 

[Dazzler]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

you misses the spot

pak needs funds in pretext of involving Saudis in the name of islam. Just like they blackmailed saudis for the last 65 yrs in the name of islam.

this is the truth

recently ur army chief went to saudi for what????

conspiracy theories nothing else.

 

[Neo]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

true LCA is failed project. no doubt

but JF-17 has also proved nothing. it is only flying only with PAF, though developed only by china. JF-17 still has to prove its worth

and please dont tel me that saudi got interested in JF-17 due to its tech superiority

JF-17 is being flown against PAF F-16A/B as well as C/D and the results sofar are well beyond expectations. Soon it will participate in Antolian Eagle in Turkey and combat against Turkish Air Force F-1C/D.
It is not fully developped by China, more than 120 PAF engineers and technicians have participated in the devlopement of the aicraft. Our 20+ years expertise with fling the F-16AB has resulted in many design changes and upgrades.The trainng programme is written by PAF, not China.

Yes, the Chinese lacked interest in the less capable FC-1 due lack of range and due the fact that more capable J-10A was beng inducted at the same time.
It doesn't mean that JF-17 is not good enough. It has huge export potential and only time will tell if it's a success.

What Saudis see in the aircraft is aleady explained by me in earlier posts.

 

[Neo]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

no way jf-17 even closer to F-16 A 80ties version

2ndly saudis are khote, if they have brains to learn they would have become america or south korea by now

JF-17 is performing better than the F-16A, even the KLJ-7 radar has shown bettr results the F-16's APG radar. It has successfuly fired SD-10A and flown cmbat night missions in FATA.

 

[p2prada]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

Not bad for the Saudi industry. I always wondered why they are sitting on so much money but have a negligible presence in the aviation sector.

Starting with the JF-17 is a good choice. Of course the money they bring in will benefit PAF a lot, which is bad news for us. However I am not sure if the US will allow the integration of the EJ-200 on the aircraft simply because China also has a stake in the project regardless of what anybody says, especially when PAF is not yet able to manufacture the aircraft fully by themselves.

The benefit for the Saudi industry will come during flight testing and production rather than actual development, which by itself is more than what they can get from the west anyway.

 

[Neo]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

can u pls elaborate what 26% parts pakistan produce for JF-17???

i have heard from sources PAF kamra is full of Chinese Eng who assemble JF-17

There are a few subcontractors in Pakistan like Heavy Industry Taxilla, Indus Motors, PAC which are building spares for airframe as wel as sevral other components and avioics.

Pakistan starts production of avionics for JF-17 Thunder jet
Updated at: 1900 PST, Friday, May 28, 2010

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday successfully launched the production project of avionics for the fighter jet (JF-17 Thunder) at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra.

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, speaking as chief guest on the historic occasion, said, "a strong air force is essential for our nation's survival; therefore, self-reliance for PAF (Pakistan Air Force) is an important factor. Today's ceremony is an important step in this direction."

He expressed satisfaction that significant progress had been made in achieving national objective of attaining self-reliance in defence industries. He commended the management, airmen and civilians of PAC for their devotion and dedication towards this project of national importance and urged them to continue this journey with added zealand zest.

Earlier, PAC Chairman Air Marshal Farhat Hussain Khan presented an appraisal of the JF-17 avionics programme activities. He said the generic production and testing facilities had been established at Kamra Avionics and Radar Factory where, besides the Chinese avionics, four indigenously designed and developed avionics systems were also being produced.

He informed that the production scope would be progressively broadened to include the production of complete JF-17 avionics suite at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. Secretary of Defence Production, Members of JF-17 Board of Directors, Principal Staff Officers of Pakistan Air Force and representatives from the Chinese aviation industries attended the ceremony

The News

 

[Neo]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

block 3 is still on papers not on ground,so talk what is actual.

12 countries interested still u cant sell so far. so pls accept the fact that, there is still room for improvement in order to sell this plane

There's an 80+ pages thread called JF-17 vs Tejaz. By your logic, you shouldn't even be compaing the two becase the former is alreay inducted and has recieved FOC with two squadrons already fomed where as the latter has just saved his as* by a forced IOC and has yet to be inducted.
Duble standards indeed

Yes, atleast 12 countries are cosely following the JF-17 programme and waiting it to mature. The time seem to be right now to land the first order. :thumb:
And yes, Block 1+2 is only the beginning, there is a lot of room for further improvement and we will see that in block 3-5 in due time.

 

[Blackwater]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

There's an 80+ pages thread called JF-17 vs Tejaz. By your logic, you shouldn't even be compaing the two becase the former is alreay inducted and has recieved FOC with two squadrons already fomed where as the latter has just saved his as* by a forced IOC and has yet to be inducted.
Duble standards indeed

Yes, atleast 12 countries are cosely following the JF-17 programme and waiting it to mature. The time seem to be right now to land the first order. :thumb:
And yes, Block 1+2 is only the beginning, there is a lot of room for further improvement and we will see that in block 3-5 in due time.

U r kan-fusing with some other member reply. I already said LCA is a failed project

 

[ninja85]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

The news of success must be hard to digest, you seem quite upset.

On a serious note, don't worry about the Saudis or Pakistanis and forcus on your own indigenous Blunder, the Looser's Combat Aircraft Tejaz which is repatedly rejected by your own airorce, has a forced IOC and still running 20+ years behind schedule!

But then, this is Incredible india! :thumb:

jf-17 suits only to beggars strange saudi's interested in it, it's all cheap plastic copycat chinese tech and you pakibeggars are just bragging saying that its a "joint program" LOL......chinese gives you money(you begs) and then you invests it back into chinese cheap tech and only thing is really happening is you getting cheap plastic copied tech :taunt1:and chinese owning ur beggars ass in the process.

 

[maomao]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

The news of success must be hard to digest, you seem quite upset.

On a serious note, don't worry about the Saudis or Pakistanis and forcus on your own indigenous Blunder, the Looser's Combat Aircraft Tejaz which is repatedly rejected by your own airorce, has a forced IOC and still running 20+ years behind schedule!

But then, this is Incredible india! :thumb:

News of success hahahahahahah where lil paki? Where? You are cooking up news and exaggerating?

If we look form another angle - Saudis / Arabs are not known to be intelligent people and that reeks in pakis who have adopted arab culture! Hence, there is a very high probability that Saudis may start a production line of Spitfires!

Tejas has India's FOC and can kick ass of any piece of Chinese shyt which you claim to be yours LOL have some shame! Get facts clear lil paki.....IAF loves Tejas as a replacement of MIG-21s it's a known fact...but you are a lil paki who knows nothing!

A madrasa educated paki from a Failed Bankrupt Beggar (add shameless dollar hungry to it) state talking about 'Incredible India'......Hmmmm that's not new......shameless pakis are known for that!

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

since 2008 they are saying they will export Junk fighter and we have yet to see any customer, except for its assembler (PAF), even the original manufacture's airforce dont want this piece of junk.

 

[Illusive]

Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

SA can be the cashcow for the development of JF17 while pak raises the banner of Islamic brotherhood etc. I don't think China will fund this project if they don't get a customer even after block 2 production. So this deal might be very important for the future of development of this aircraft. Ofcourse it wont die because pak would be also funding it with chinese soft loans, but for how long