Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and Joint

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    Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and Joint-Production​



    Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra ,is a busy place these days, because it has become a go to place for many Middle Eastern air forces to visit the manufacturing process and the products of the organization. Numerous high level, Middle Eastern air force delegations, including Jordanian, Iraqi, Yemeni and most recently the Royal Saudi Air Force delegation, have visited the PAC in Kamra. They expressed keen interest in the products and services offered by PAC, especially the JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter aircraft, which is the most high end product of PAC.


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    Saudi Arabian defense delegation at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra

    This week a high profile Saudi Arabian defense delegation lead by the Deputy Defence Minister Prince Salman bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz al Saud, visited Pakistan after the two countries agreed on 'enhanced defence ties' during a trip by Foreign Minister Saud al Faisal to Islamabad earlier. The two countries described the warming of bilateral defense ties as the beginning of a ‘new era in the strategic partnership’ between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

    The delegation stayed in Pakistan for three days and was hosted at the General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army, Air Defence Command of Pakistan Air Force, Pakistan Ordnance Factories at wah and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra, the home of JF-17 Thunder aircraft. The Saudi defense delegation also included the members of the Royal Saudi Air Force, during the visit to the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. Reportedly, Saudi Arabia has expressed interest in joining the JF-17 program with Pakistan during the visit.

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    The Royal Saudi Air Force, is one of the most advanced and professional air forces in the region which employs some of the most advanced fighter, attack and early warning aircrafts like the Boeing F-15 Eagle, F-15 Strike Eagle, Eurofighter Typhoon, Panavia Tornado and E-3 sentry. It has also recently ordered, much advanced F-15 SA aircraft from Boeing, which pack an advanced array of onboard systems like AESA radar and other upgrades like, signature enhancements, Infrared Search and Track, Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System and upgraded engines.

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    Saudi Arabian defense delegation at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra


    In that context the Saudi Arabian interest in the JF-17 Thunder program, might raise some eyebrows in certain countries and among certain experts. It must be understood that by expressing interest in the JF-17 Thunder program, the RSAF might be opting for a 'hi-lo mix' doctrine. The RSAF is operating its advanced fleet of fighter and attack aircraft for frontline duties, while the JF-17 might become its workhorse for training, conversion, Combat Air Patrol, Point Defence and Close Air Support, much like the Lockheed Martin F-16.



    The JF-17 is a cost effective platform, with minimum operating and maintenance costs as compared to RSAF's front line fleet. It means that RSAF can save the airframe hours on its frontline jets as well as save on operating and maintenance costs by having its pilots fly the much cheaper and easier to maintain JF-17 Thunder aircraft. What also is noteworthy, is that the JF-17 Thunder will offer and 'open architecture' to RSAF for weapons and software integration, which means that the RSAF would have a level of freedom in open source weapons and software integration it has never enjoyed before. This feature will offer RSAF to integrate any open market weapon system, avionics and electronics it wants on its JF-17 fleet, giving it a great control over the platform to carry out a variety of missions.

    Pakistan is the sole producer and operator of the JF-17 Thunder aircraft, therefore it has the industrial expertise to share with Saudi Arabia, which the Kingdom needs to develop its aviation industry. Unlike the western suppliers which more often are extremely reluctant to share the critical aspects of technology, Pakistan will be willing to offer a full transfer of technology in all aspects of the program. By 2016 a majority of work on the JF-17 program will be carried out by PAC, including critical aspects like, structural, electronics, avionics, testing and evaluation as well as weapons integration.

    The time of the visit is a critical factor to be noted as PAC has just recently rolled out the 50th JF-17 Thunder for the Pakistan Air Force and has started the production of an upgraded Block-II variant, featuring in flight refueling, enhanced avionics and self protection systems to name a few. PAC is also in the process of initiating a conceptual set of requirements for the Block-III variant which will be the most advanced of the JF-17 family. If the Saudi Arabia joins the program at this point in time, it will be possible to tailor the Block-III to the exact requirements of the RSAF.

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    By the this process, Pakistan will transfer its technology to Saudi Arabia as well as help its close friend develop its industrial potential in major aspects of aviation engineering which other suppliers are reluctant to offer. This would mean that the Kingdom would be able to acquire the knowledge, skills and the technology to a level where it can realize its dream of building an indigenous aviation industry. A joint research and development effort will also develop skilled professionals in Saudi Arabia to carry out future ventures.
    Such a deal would not only be beneficial to the Saudi aviation industry, but also would become a lifeline for Pakistani aviation industry. If RSAF being a high end operator opts for a JF-17 variant, it would build confidence in the program and would become an export success as other nations would feel more confident to opt for the JF-17 platform. For Pakistani aviation industry, it would mark a good omen and would help Pakistan foster its aviation industry and be recognized as a reliable supplier of high end defense products.

    Pakistan Air Force is an organization that has to operate in a high threat environment against heavy odds, including budgetary limitations. JF-17 sales would help PAF develop its capabilities further and opt for a joint venture with its most trusted ally the People's Republic of China for a 5th Generation stealth aircraft project, which PAF direly needs in order to effectively counter the growingly sophisticated threats posed by hostile air forces. Such a deal with Saudi Arabia will help PAF in bolstering its war fighting capabilities as well.

    Such a deal is more than likely to cement an already close relationship between the two countries. Both nations share a historic relationship that has stood the test of time. This deal, should it go through would mark ' a new era ' in Pakistan-Saudi Arabia defense cooperation as this program will come with a long term commitment. It would also help develop more synergy and interoperability between the PAF and RSAF. Over all such a deal will be a 'win win' for both friendly nations and would open up gates for further cooperation in defense industry sector.
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    There are multiple reasons behind this move. First of all KSA wants to start its own defence industry and purchasing and co-producing the medium tech JF-17 is an ideal platform to start with. The aircraft belongs to two Saudi friendly countries, i.e. China an Pakistan and will be delivered with no strings attached. Saudi Air Foce already operates PAC MF-17 Super Mushak.

    The P5+1 deal between USA and Iran and the reluctance to take military actions against Syria seems to have upset the Saudis who on their turn are looking to further improve ties with Pakistan. The JF-17 Thunder deal is also a signal to USA for Saudi desire to look towards new markets for their defense needs.

    From reliable sources I have learnt that Saudis are willing to bear the costs for the integraton of EJ200 jet engin and some German systems already in use by the Typhoon. Changes will be implemented in the Block 3 which is currently bing developped.
     
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    A second high delegation including the KSA Defence Minister is expected to visit Pakistan this month again.
     
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    Junk Fighter the 17th Blunder for KSA? KSA can buy F-22 ....why would it buy a third rate third world useless piece of crap which even Chinese don't wanna use?

    But then this is pakistan, they will sell Chinese shyt to even the US, even though US will never buy - but pakis will go gogo gaga over their own created news! ;)
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    They are manufacturing typhoons(which is a 4.5++ generation fighter jet) themselves.
    So why they would like to buy a 4 generation fighter with tot?
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    No they are not manufacturing Typhoons but still importing them, UK is very smart country.
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    Maufacturing Typhoon? Mate, they can't even maintain the aircraft and have hired German and Brits for overhauling and maintenance.
    Pakistan will not only provide cheaper alternative but also pilots and technicians to train the Saudis.
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    true that,

    the jf-17 offered is under tot, got Saudis interested, they are sitting idly without much ToT with Eagles and Typhoons anyway :D
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    why would rich man will get TATA nano when he can afford top of luxury cars................

    why would they want TOT, they can buy any production line of western countries, worse part is that they dont have pilots to fly them..........:rofl:
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    Considering even Pakistan just assemble JF-17 components manufactured in Chinese factories I don't know how much different will be it for Saudis.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    Buy 1 AC and get 1 PAF pilot, training(why would they even need training when they are getting a loyal trained PAF pilot?), maintenance and life time upgrade + ToT free offer! isn't it? :D
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    well ,money is not the issue for saudis. JF-17 still has to prove war worthiness. it''s still 3.5 gen aircraft. strange saudis are interested in it .

    may be there is some other story in it. may be pak needs funds in pretext of involving Saudis in the name of islam. Just like they blackmailed saudis for the last 65 yrs in the name of islam.
     
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    It is the saudis in the name of Islam served their masters US by using pakistani human resources against USSR.
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    The news of success must be hard to digest, you seem quite upset. :lol:

    On a serious note, don't worry about the Saudis or Pakistanis and forcus on your own indigenous Blunder, the Looser's Combat Aircraft Tejaz which is repatedly rejected by your own airorce, has a forced IOC and still running 20+ years behind schedule!

    But then, this is Incredible india! :thumb:
     
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    Re: Saudi Arabia Interested in JF-17 Thunder Further Development and J

    true LCA is failed project. no doubt

    but JF-17 has also proved nothing. it is only flying only with PAF, though developed only by china. JF-17 still has to prove its worth

    and please dont tel me that saudi got interested in JF-17 due to its tech superiority
     
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    No doubt the Saudis can afford to buy more advanced and expensive aircraft but their industry can not absorb the technology. One of the reasons that PAF rejected the Gripen was the hi-end manufacturing which could not be aborbed due lack of industrial base. JF-17 is a medium technology aircraft with the capabilities of -16. It will give the Saudis a solid base to gain experience with manufacturng, flying and maintaining a modern fighter jet.

    A wise choice indeed!
     
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    no way jf-17 even closer to F-16 A 80ties version

    2ndly saudis are khote, if they have brains to learn they would have become america or south korea by now
     

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