Saudi analyst claim Saudis have nuclear weapon

[garg_bharat]

More than 20000 Russian soldiers are involved in Syria effort including the naval component. So no proxies this time. If war starts with turkey, it is very much a war including Russia.

 

[garg_bharat]

Does india have proxies? Which ones.

How will india fight if war knocks.

Eventually everybody is on its own.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

More than 20000 Russian soldiers are involved in Syria effort including the naval component. So no proxies this time. If war starts with turkey, it is very much a war including Russia.

We are talking about war of US-Russia-China. US bombed the shit out of different countries in last few decades. Russia can do the same. Even then it needs a proxy like Asad or direct border in case of Ukraine.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Does india have proxies? Which ones.

How will india fight if war knocks.

Eventually everybody is on its own.

India has to fight its wars on its own.

But will India go to war with any of the US-Russia-China? No. Will they use Pak or Bangladesh to mount attack on India? Yes.

There is too much at stake which will prevent direct confrontation. We are not yet facing the tensions that existed during cold war.

Not to forget world powers adopt weird stances to change the rules of the game. The US-Sino axis, which was unexpected in 50s, changed suddenly to counter USSR. It is hot game. Alliance will change and small countries will be torn apart.

US in Vietnam and Soviets in Afghanistan did not happen too long time ago. This time is no different.

 

[warrior monk]

Well Pakistan might have transferred the gun type warheads of 1990s vintage to the Saudis after it went for the implosion type in 2000s.
All these warheads will probably be in the control of the Pakistan military inside Saudi Arabia in nuclear bunkers ready to be mated when orders come down from Rawalpindi.
These movement of warheads probably have two fold purpose.
1 ) To save them from Indian counter strike if Indo-Pak war goes nuclear .
2) To convince the Saudis that they are on their side . Whenever Pakistan says that they will protect the territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia I think they are talking about this .

Since 1974 Saudis have been a major financier of Paki nuclear weapons after the 98 tests Saudi def min even toured the Kahuta Research Labs .Americans are completely aware of it . If Iranians test then Saudis will ask Pakistan to test one warhead on their behalf in Saudi Arabia so as to convince the Sunni world.

Pakistan dosen't like the Shia govt of Iran it only tolerates them because of its minority Shias and to prevent Iran from allying itself with India .

Iranians cannot test for the next ten years to prevent western sanctions and not to provoke Saudis to become overtly nuclear with Pakistani nuclear weapons.

 

[garg_bharat]

China is comparatively a rational power. I doubt Saudi are rational.

China will definitely use a proxy to fight with india. However we cannot be certain about middle east players.

A large multinational Muslim army can still ally with Pakistan to launch an attack on india.

My point is that india's nukes will not deter them.

 

[Screambowl]

From the past 6 years they have been claiming that, if Iran or Israel gets the device, they will have within weeks.

 

[garg_bharat]

Iran can come under Russia's nuclear umbrella.

If stuff blows up in Syria, then such an outcome is very likely.

Russia knows that its access to Mediterranean and Indian ocean is critical. The west is trying to block it. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[garg_bharat]

From the past 6 years they have been claiming that, if Iran or Israel gets the device, they will have within weeks.

There is a proliferation of nukes. Everybody knows who has!

Russia would have factored in such stuff when it decided to enter Syria civil war.

 

[sorcerer]

ISIS Leader Al-Baghdadi Calls for Destruction of Kaaba Stone

Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has joined others in calling for the destruction of the Kaaba Stone, reports Al-Jazeera this morning.

In a statement out this week, the ISIS leader said it is a Muslim’s “religious duty” to destroy the monument of “idolatrous worship”, which is the central shrine object of Islam.

The Black Stone, or al-Ḥajar al-Aswad, is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building, located in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.


Muslim religious leaders worldwide are afraid that the Islamic State could attack the holy site of Mecca after they have already previously destroyed the archeological sites of Hatra, Nimrud and Khorsabad



Ibrahim Al Kandari, a Kuwaiti Islamist preacher, also demanded the destruction of the stone believed to be of meteoric origin. “The Black Stone should be destroyed to put an end to this ancient pagan ritual and idolatrous worship of images”.

“The fact that the prophet Mohammed discarded the 360 idols but did not destroy the Kaaba stone does not mean that we shouldn’t do it now” he insisted.

According to 7th century Islamic scholar Ibn Az-Zubair, and nephew of Aisha, third wife of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad even considered dismantling it:

“Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka’ba?”. He replied, “She told me that once the Prophet said, ‘O ‘Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka’ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit”.

Worship at the Kaaba and the kissing of the Black Stone are just the first of many practices adopted from 7th century paganism and repackaged within monotheistic Islam, believe many Islamic historians.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/isis-leader-calls-for-destruction-of-kaaba-stone/

 

[rockey 71]

I guess both Iran and S Arabia have nukes. Basically anyone with the political will and the money can have these. In the polarization over Syria, we should remember even Turkey has nukes.

 

[warrior monk]

I guess both Iran and S Arabia have nukes. Basically anyone with the political will and the money can have these. In the polarization over Syria, we should remember even Turkey has nukes.

Iran is a recessed nuclear state and has no nuclear weapons , its plutonium producing reactor has been dismantled and it centrifuges are under safeguards plus it cannot enrich more than 19 % uranium so it rules out nuclear capability now . Its future bomb assembling factory is under safeguards .
Saudis may have Paki nuclear bomb essentially under paki military control so it is essentially a Paki weapon in Saudi Arabia.
Turkey doesn't have any nuclear ambitions it only has American B-61 nuclear weapons under American control not under turkey's control so it is essentially American weapon in Turkey.

 

[no smoking]

Saudis may have Paki nuclear bomb essentially under paki military control so it is essentially a Paki weapon in Saudi Arabia.

No, Saudi doesn't have a Pakistan nuke either. She is under the protection of American nuclear umbrella and American conventional forces, both are powerful far beyond anything that Pakistan can give. No one will give up 7000 warheads for 1 nuclear weapon.

 

[garg_bharat]

@no smoking, does it matter if nuke is Pakistani or american?

A senior Saudi source says Saudi has nukes, then there is leak from CIA. So we have to accept that Saudi has. The source of Saudi nukes is immaterial.

All bets are off if there is an invasion of Syria.

 

[garg_bharat]

There is a serious breach of nuclear non-proliferation regime.

If Saudi or Turkey uses a nuke in war, there will be irreversible consequences.

Russia is unlikely to be impressed by Saudi nukes. It is clear that Russia is ready to go to any length to protect its forces in Syria. Russia has many options, far more than Saudis would like to believe.

 

[garg_bharat]

Would we see nuclear war in 2016?
Is USA failing to control its allies?

USA has invested heavily in certain countries over last half century. Will these countries prove USA's undoing?

While USA and its allies engage in mindless war and destruction all over the globe, will small setbacks in Syria cause them to use nukes?

Is nuclear non-proliferation regime so fragile?

Questions are piling up. Who has the answers?

 

[British Bengal Tiger]

Saudi analysts?

What do they analyse? Camel jockeys? LMAO!

They are busy working on a remote controlled donkey, forget nukes!

 

[no smoking]

@no smoking, does it matter if nuke is Pakistani or american?

Well, it does. Which protects you better? From Pakistan side, they have maximum10-20 spare warheads for you since they have India on the other side and you have to wait days for them to mate the warhead to the missile; from American side, nearly 2000 warheads can be shoot at any time and another 5000 will be ready in days.

A senior Saudi source says Saudi has nukes, then there is leak from CIA. So we have to accept that Saudi has. The source of Saudi nukes is immaterial.

The source of nukes tell you who is behind them. So far, thousands American soldiers are still deploying there, that tells you these news are BS.

All bets are off if there is an invasion of Syria.

Who is going to invade Syria? As long as Russians are there, no one dare to invade Syria without the nod of Putin.

 

[garg_bharat]

Well, it does. Which protects you better? From Pakistan side, they have maximum10-20 spare warheads for you since they have India on the other side and you have to wait days for them to mate the warhead to the missile; from American side, nearly 2000 warheads can be shoot at any time and another 5000 will be ready in days.



The source of nukes tell you who is behind them. So far, thousands American soldiers are still deploying there, that tells you these news are BS.



Who is going to invade Syria? As long as Russians are there, no one dare to invade Syria without the nod of Putin.

There is dissonance between your view and what we are hearing from middle east and usa.

Why would CIA leak that Saudi has seven warheads when it can lend 5000 as you say. The number seven can come only if Saudi purchased the warheads from somebody other than USA.

Loud voices from sunni world indicate a preparation of USA disengagement from the middle-east.

If a real president is elected (not a stooge), then USA is heading for serious military budget cuts.

 

[garg_bharat]

USA cannot adopt a strategy of nuke and run. The strength of us dollar is directly related to us ability to keep the peace.