Sare Jahan Se Acha HINDUSTAN Hamara—Altaf Hussain

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  1. Blackwater

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    why did he do that? anyways RAW should fully protect this guy! he is very pro india
     
  4. Mad Indian

    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Do you guys even know on what backdrop he sang that song? What he actually meant was- "of all the countries, Hindustan is better and it is ours(.ie for us Muslims) . the next line runs as - Hindustan, and other countries of the world is also ours". But for some useless reason Hindus celebrate this song as if it is any indication of Hindu Muslim unity, while nothing can be farther from the truth.

    http://swarajyamag.com/tag/muhammad-iqbal/
     
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    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    Hahahahahaha ........... Don't break the DSB's Hearts. :lol:
     
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    Watch full video.........

     
  7. LordOfTheUnderworlds

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    I think you are talking about Chin-o-arab hamara... song, not saare jahan se accha...
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    ^^thanks for the info. I don't know that.
     
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    singing like a gadhha or a horse, undecided between the two. so ugly.
     
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    Spot on.Secularists and congress following morons have been celebrating Iqbal's
    Creation as unofficial national anthem.When in fact it really is an islamofascist celebration
    of subjugation of the kafir Hindus.
     
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    Iqbal was an offensive, racist, Jihadi bigot and made a hero by Upper caste Muslims/Pakistanis and their Hindu apologists. It's natural affection. Because he was a member of elite class - Upper caste Muslim from recently converted Kashmiri Pandit family, trying to be more Turkish than the Turks and more Arab than the Arabs.

    He did write patriotic songs for India like saare jahan se accha, but that was at young age, before he visited vilayat and became Islamist.
     
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    @Mad Indian , there is nothing wrong with Tarana-e-Hindi. It was written in 1904 i.e. before Iqbal lost his damn mind. There is only one mention of Muslims in the entire song and that too is disputed according to some. Although I can see Iqbal turning in his grave looking at the state Pakistan is in today.:devil:

    As for the Swarajya Mag article, expecting right wing mag to sing paeans of Iqbal, are we? I have met more than my share of RSS nuts and they are yet to realize that they were born in the secular India and they will die in one because the Hindu Rashtra ship sailed about 5 centuries ago.

    Ai āb-i rūd-i Gangā! wuh din haiṉ yād tujh ko?
    Utrā tire[11] kināre jab kārwāṉ hamārā

    O the flowing waters of the Ganges, do you remember that day
    When our caravan first disembarked on your waterfront?

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    सारे जहाँ से अच्छा हिन्दोसिताँ हमारा
    हम बुलबुलें हैं इसकी यह गुलसिताँ हमारा

    ग़ुर्बत में हों अगर हम, रहता है दिल वतन में
    समझो वहीं हमें भी दिल हो जहाँ हमारा

    परबत वह सबसे ऊँचा, हम्साया आसमाँ का
    वह संतरी हमारा, वह पासबाँ हमारा

    गोदी में खेलती हैं इसकी हज़ारों नदियाँ
    गुल्शन है जिनके दम से रश्क-ए-जनाँ हमारा

    ऐ आब-ए-रूद-ए-गंगा! वह दिन हैं याद तुझको?
    उतरा तिरे किनारे जब कारवाँ हमारा

    मज़्हब नहीं सिखाता आपस में बैर रखना
    हिन्दी हैं हम, वतन है हिन्दोसिताँ हमारा

    यूनान-ओ-मिस्र-ओ-रूमा सब मिट गए जहाँ से
    अब तक मगर है बाक़ी नाम-ओ-निशाँ हमारा

    कुछ बात है कि हस्ती मिटती नहीं हमारी
    सदियों रहा है दुश्मन दौर-ए-ज़माँ हमारा

    इक़्बाल! कोई महरम अपना नहीं जहाँ में
    मालूम क्या किसी को दर्द-ए-निहाँ हमारा!

    Sāre jahāṉ se acchā, Hindositāṉ[10] hamārā
    Ham bulbuleṉ haiṉ is kī, yih gulsitāṉ[10] hamārā

    G̱ẖurbat meṉ hoṉ agar ham, rahtā hai dil wat̤an meṉ
    Samjho wuhīṉ hameṉ bhī dil ho jahāṉ hamārā

    Parbat wuh sab se ūṉcā, hamsāyah āsmāṉ kā
    Wuh santarī hamārā, wuh pāsbāṉ hamārā

    Godī meṉ kheltī haiṉ is kī hazāroṉ nadiyāṉ
    Guls̱ẖan hai jin ke dam se ras̱ẖk-i janāṉ hamārā

    Ai āb-i rūd-i Gangā! wuh din haiṉ yād tujh ko?
    Utrā tire[11] kināre jab kārwāṉ hamārā

    Maẕhab nahīṉ sikhātā āpas meṉ bair rakhnā
    Hindī haiṉ ham, wat̤an hai Hindositāṉ hamārā

    Yūnān o-Miṣr o-Rūmā, sab miṭ ga'e jahāṉ se
    Ab tak magar hai bāqī, nām o-nis̱ẖaṉ hamārā

    Kuch bāt hai kih hastī, miṭtī nahīṉ hamārī
    Ṣadiyoṉ rahā hai dus̱ẖman daur-i zamāṉ hamārā

    Iqbāl! ko'ī maḥram apnā nahīṉ jahāṉ meṉ
    Maʿlūm kyā kisī ko dard-i nihāṉ hamārā!

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    Better than the entire world, is our Hindustan,
    We are its nightingales, and it (is) our garden abode

    If we are in an alien place, the heart remains in the homeland,
    Know us to be only there where our heart is.

    That tallest mountain, that shade-sharer of the sky,
    It (is) our sentry, it (is) our watchman

    In its lap where frolic thousands of rivers,
    Whose vitality makes our garden the envy of Paradise.

    O the flowing waters of the Ganges, do you remember that day
    When our caravan first disembarked on your waterfront?

    Religion does not teach us to bear animosity among ourselves
    We are of Hind, our homeland is Hindustan.

    In a world in which ancient Greece, Egypt, and Rome have all vanished without trace
    Our own attributes (name and sign) live on today.

    Such is our existence that it cannot be erased
    Even though, for centuries, the time-cycle of the world has been our enemy.

    Iqbal! We have no confidant in this world
    What does any one know of our hidden pain?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sare_Jahan_se_Accha#English_Translation
     
  13. Mad Indian

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    NO . We should follow your suggestion that we should bury our heads and hope and pray that the islamic cancer will go away on its own. Avoiding facing the problem works 100% of the time :rolleyes:
     
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    Disagree. That is your interpretation, and why would it not be? It is coming from you, after all.

    If he meant to indicate that Hindustan belongs to him as in he wishes to take control of India or keep control of India from a religious perspective, then he would not have said Hindustan is best of all the places. Instead, he would have said "Saare Jahan Se Accha, Saudi Arabia hamara, aur Hundustan pe kabza hamara."

    Keep looking for non existent things to hate on.
     
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    Of course I intrepreted it that way since I dint know that it was before Iqbal became an islamist. So it was natural that I intrepreted it in the way he was expected to write.

    That said, I am not really surprised that you are standing up for this POS. After all, you are a leftist, socialist Bengali, working in USA . Why wouldn't you? So typical isn't it. After all, its not without a reason that Bangladeshis still find home in west bengal so easily after raping, looting and killing your ancestors 70 years back and have created a problem ever since. No wonder you would defend these pos. You people would rather close your eyes and pretend it dint happen than face it. Not unexpected, not at all

    But what I am curious about though is how people like @blueblood think that islam does not pose a danger to the country. He after all, is not someone like you. He has actually seen muslims who(and I quote him here) -" tell to him your india won today against pakistan". I for one thought that the penetration of internet would drill some logic and common sense into the self respecting Hindus here. But I never accounted for chalta hai attitude of Hindus it seems. My fault really. I mean, if Indians/Hindus dint learn from 10 centuries of crimes against them by muslims, its hard to expect them to learn it today.

    May be Hindus and Indian civilisation are bound to be destroyed due to impotency to deal with dangers of islam. I have never envied Chinese on anything but man I envy them on their policy on Islam. they know the threat it poses to national security and are very pragmatic about stopping it. Its only the western morons and the Indian idiots who would rather sleep in their cocoons and bury their heads and turn the other way due of political correctness and other such bull shit instead of facing the actual problem. But I know enough about Xtian history that they are smart and would probably ditch all this PC nonsense and would deal with Islam in a way it is supposed to be dealt with. After all, Spanish inquisition and Crusades did happen for a reason. But India and Hindus have no hope. :(
     
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    @Mad Indian, if not for socialism, you'd probably not be in a position to sit in front of a computer and rant like that. I hope you know what I mean. :lol:

    Have some lemonade and cool down.
     
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    Altaf is fed up of pakistani terrorist army and he wants to join karachi with India.
    Mohajirs are most welcome in India but only on one condition that they kill as many paki army terrorist as they can and they should merge their land with India.
    pakistani terrorist army murdabad.
     
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    @Mad Indian , your alarmism is very alrming indeed. I have said it earlier and I'll say it again. The only Muslims you know are either on the TV or in the newspapers.

    So while you pointed out the India-Pakistan match thing, you conveniently forgot to mention that they also think that if shit hits the fan, state machinery will steam roll them. The best case scenario they envisage is for the police is to stay dormant and RSS and others will butcher them. Something which they can try to fight back.

    There is a reason why I don't engage you on this particular topic.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/bhopa...-as-ijtima-begins-today/article1-1293828.aspx

    Guess what, after this the local MLA initiates a "shudhhi yagya" right to the face of local Muslims and then they distribute "prasad" to every household and by that I mean "every". You think of Hindus as some downtrodden people which is insulting to say the least.


    @Rowdy , I know you haven't been to your city for sometime but will you please explain Mad Indian about the state of Muslims living in Bambai Bazaar or Khajrana in the BJP ruled Indore.

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    A weak earlier my Sunni friend was stopped from entering Imambara. I know because I was there. He wanted to go inside to poke fun at his Shia colleague.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...l-75-critically-hurt/articleshow/45485780.cms

    Same area where the ijtima happens. So please, for the love of gods, don't give them more excuses for staying together.
     
  19. Mad Indian

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    @blueblood
    Wth sir? Since when did media showed these traitors for what they really are. The muslims I am talking about are the ones I saw and interacted face to face. Why do you think no one buys this Muslim Hindu bonhomie seriously anymore? Because they know the truth having seen it in real life

    1. Seriously, you expecting an org like RSS to butcher up muslims is your best defence against anti national filth in the country? Just wow. I dont even know where to begin with this statement!

    2. Thats not a solution to any problem sir. For example, if there is threat of thievery in your house, you should increase the security features. You should not buy up weapons to butcher the thief after theft has already occured and you have lost your wealth

    Wow. Sir, You have to understand the difference between subjugation and assimilation. We should be aiming for assimilation of Muslims, not subjugating them. What you are proposing is for subjugation of muslims. I dont want that neither do I think that it can be a feasible solution in the long run, let alone a good one. Seriously how long do you think such subjugation will last? Till BJP is in power? Till RSS exists? Till they overpopulate enough to over run the election with their vote bank? Seriously, till when?

    Again sir, I dont think Hindus are down trodden. I think they are lazy, stupid and in some ways impotent. I have seen how violent they can be , during the inter-caste clashes. My area is particularly infamous for such.

    The problem I want to address regarding them ofcourse is what they have been conditioned to be wrt Islam. These are the same people who have no problem talking about caste solidarity, no problem with boasting about their caste violence and how awesome they are in caste violence, who have never voted out of their caste considerations, and yet would have no balls to talk about the muslim issue in the country. They have been conditioned to think that talking about genuine problems makes them a bad person or some other BS, all the while not having any problem with the castist violence they engage in, without any sense of irony! As late as 2015, there were TV programs and discussion panels in which castist fucks were talking about why castism is good and important and why intercaste marriages between BCs and SCs is wrong and that is from a state which more or less has gotten rid of caste surnames and is ahead of North India by atleast two decades wrt castes! (@Bangalorean can you believe it?! It was happening in top Tamil news channels no less!)

    So no I dont think Hindus are panzies. They are stupid and have been brought up to be stupid

    The issue I want to address is however is different. We can have an open conversation on castism and call out their anti national BS. Can we do that wrt to Islam? Whenever we have any sort of honest conversation on Islam and the threat it poses to national sovereignty , some leftist apologetic pimp would come and apologise for Islam . How are we supposed to tackle the problem of "your country India won the game against pakistan"(as you yourself said) if we are not even willing to talk about it? Seriously, thats what you said isn't it- its not a problem worth addressing? Do you think it will go away on its own? Do you think we "should" let the RSS to deal with them? What about ISIS and the 25 piglets which joined it from Telengana? Should we avoid talking about it too?


    Ok, so they are fighting each other and so we must encourage that until they finish each other off ? Is that what you are saying?
     
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    Lets just say I know inside happenings of Khajrana .... That area has been kept calm..... because of a certain societal "arrangement" , to put it elegantly.

    @Mad Indian .... the fact is in MP ***some*** people have taken the philosophy that the best defence is offense.
    MP sunnies are extremely communalized and sectarian polarized ....
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/newde...ension-in-atali-village/article1-1364989.aspx
    Here in MP stone pelting on a bhajan singing woman^^^^^^^^

    Here is some secular stone pelting a few months back.
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...sion-in-Neemuch/2015/04/03/article2745919.ece

    Note: I have many friends in the Bohra community and they have absolutely ZERO problems in MP.
     
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    @Rowdy So do you agree with his assessments that we can just relax as there is no danger?
     

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