Salman Khurshid crosses swords with EC on quotas

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    EC show-cause to Khurshid

    Muslim votes in UP seems to be the key to victory!
     
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    [h=1]Full text of Election Commission's notice to Salman Khurshid[/h]
    New Delhi: Law Minister Salman Khurshid finds himself in trouble over a recent speech that promised a nine per cent sub-quota for backward Muslims in Uttar Pradesh. The minister's wife, Louise Khurshid, who is contesting elections as the Congress candidate from Farrukhabad, has been served a show-cause notice on orders of the Election Commission for violating the model code of conduct. Another notice has been issued to Mr Khurshid.

    Here's the full text of the Election Commission notice to the Union Law Minister:

    Whereas, the Election Commission has announced the General Elections to the Legislative Assemblies of five States, including the State of Uttar Pradesh, vide its Press Note dated 24th December, 2011; and

    Whereas, the Model Code of Conduct came into force with immediate effect as mentioned in the said Press Note and also intimated to the Union Cabinet Secretary and the State Chief Secretary vide the Commission's letter No. 437/6/1/2011-CC&BE (Vol. III) dated 24th December, 2011; and

    Whereas, the Commission received on 10th January, 2012, a complaint from the BJP (copy enclosed) that the newspapers of 10th January, 2012 carried a report that Shri Salman Khurshid, Union Law Minister, has made an announcement at an election rally at Farrukhabad to the effect that the Congress would provide a quota of 9% reservation to the minorities within the existing quota of 27% for OBCs and that he has also indicated that Muslims will be benefited from this move; and

    Whereas, it is alleged that the above announcements by the Union Law Minister amounts to serious violation of Model Code of Conduct, as the Uttar Pradesh is having a sizeable population of the minorities, specially Muslims, who are directly targeted by the Congress Party; and
    Whereas, the BJP has also mentioned that this direct appeal on religious, caste and communal basis is a direct and blatant violation of the Model Code of Conduct; and

    Whereas, it is laid down in the "Model Code of Conduct for the Guidance of Political Parties and Candidates" that

    "Para 1(3): There shall be no appeal to caste or communal feelings for securing votes. ......

    Para VII: "The Party in power whether at the Centre or in the State or States concerned, shall ensure that no cause is given for any complaint that it has used its official position for the purposes of its election campaign

    Para VII (vi): From the time elections are announced by the Commission, Ministries and other authorities shall not announce any financial grants in any form or promises thereof......, which may have the effect of influencing the voters in favour of the party in power" ; and

    Whereas, by announcement of such promise is prima facie a serious violation of the above provisions of the Model Code of Conduct;

    Now, therefore, the Election Commission hereby gives notice to you, to show cause, as to why action should not be taken against you for the above violation of the Model Code of Conduct.

    Your written reply, if any, in the matter should be sent to the Commission so as to reach the same in the Commission by 12th January, 2012 before 1700 hrs., failing which it would be assumed that you have nothing to say in the matter and action as deemed fit would be initiated against you without any further notice to you.

    Full text of Election Commission's notice to Salman Khurshid
     
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    Khurshed in a TV debate said that he was merely stating the stuff that is in the Election Manifesto based on the Sarkaria Commission and another Commission and what prevents a Congress Leader from campaigning for his party?

    It was taken on by one of the panellist (not BJP) who wondered why did Congress suddenly feel it necessary to implement the various Commissions report, just before the UP election when they had done nothing for so many years!

    While the panellist maybe right that it is opportunism, but can a Congress leader, just because he is the Law Minister and was a Minority Affair Minister be held guilty of breaking the Code just because he was campaigning for his party and stating the goal of his party, if elected?
     
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    I find Rashid Alvi a trifle statement (reproduced below) a trifle odd.

    If the Congress fulfilled one of its major poll promises, why does he have to say that Khurshid spoke in his individual capacity.

    Surely, he should have amplified it was on 9% that Khurshed spoke out of his desires, though Khurshed has categorically on various TV channels has said it is in the Congress Election Manifesto.

    He claims to have said it as a Congress Leader and not as a Minister. Fair enough. But how come Rashid Alvi, the Congress spokesman washes his hands off what the Congress Leader and not Minister said and that too if it were in the Election Manifesto?

    Politics is so confusion and no wonder no one believes the politicians and they complain that their status in the eyes is being sullied!
     
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    Note the political chicanery at play.

    Digviay raises Batla House during Election time, when PC and the UPA Govt has stated that it was a genuine one!

    What is the reality?

    The nation must know and not be blackmailed by politicians every election or by the Govt covering up, if Digvijay is to be believed telling the truth!

    And note how the BJP representative has jumped in!

    Note how Rahul G brings a young Muslim weaver on board as the one who brought in the revolution of weaver on stream! Watch that boy, who looks happy but totally nonplussed!

    What won't these politicians who think they are the new Norman Lords do to grab power!

    What a country!
     
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    PM letter settles Khurshid, EC spat

    ..........The example was given in the context of anti-corruption activist Anna Hazare's reservation over the government retaining administrative control over the CBI during the debate on the lokpal bill.

    This had angered the election commission and Quraishi had shot off a letter to the PM. He confirmed his exchange of letters on Friday on the issue of administrative control of the commission. “We did write a letter couple of weeks ago but can't share anything more on this.”

    Quraishi, however, downplayed differences with Khurshid. “We have some perspectives which we share...it is a ridiculous idea (personal differences with Khurshid) and we are friends. It is just institutional issues,” the CEC said.

    In his reply, the PM is understood to have assured Quraishi that any apprehensions that the EC may have will be taken care of. Sources in the panel said there had been no problem with the government so far but Khurshid's statement had raised doubts.

    In a separate development, Khurshid, who has replied to the poll panel's notice for his statement on granting 9 % quota for Muslims, said on Friday he had no regrets on the issue. “Why should I regret? You regret when you do something unlawful.”

    PM letter settles Khurshid, EC spat - Hindustan Times
     
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    However, the truth emerges.


    Constitutional Authority or not, the administrative control is with the Govt.
     
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    Smoke and Mirrors

    Well, political smoke and mirrors by Congress party. Digvijay Singh is a useful troll for Congress party to provoke and gauge the people's reactions, surely him being Rahul Gandhi's guru and guide he cannot be NOT speaking for The Party.

    Muslim reservation is there in all southern states where Muslim literacy is equal to or higher that for Hindus. Here is an interesting article that shows Muslims lag in WB, UP,etc using Census 2001 figures and asks that Muslims should be given reservation in some Northern states and removed from reservations list in South.

    The sachar muslim literacy rate puzzle

    It turns out that in 10 major states of India, Muslims are more literate than Hindus. This fact is conveniently ignored by the PM while promising them “first claim on resources”. Story here and here.

    Click the image to see the literacy data from the Sachar report (in turn extracted from the 2001 census data)action and are well into reverse discrimination territory.

    Scratch the surface and our social policies collapse in a pile of spectacular anomalies. The left wing cheerleaders will characteristically retreat into the woodwork and offer no opinions. I have pointed out that the #1 problem in India is the failure to evolve a robust mechanism for selecting individual castes for inclusion in the group called OBC. The muslim logic will be along the lines of, “Hey, if powerful and wealthy hindu OBCs can help themselves to a 18000 cr party, why not us ?” At least we have taken the pain to collect this much data. Do they have any data ? Sorry for putting it across so crudely, but this is the elephant in the room.

    Spectacular anomaly #1 - TN
    It turns out that in the states of Tamilnadu, Kerala, Andhra, and Karnataka muslims are more literate than Hindus, and way ahead of the SC/ST groups. Consider TN, Muslims have a 82.9% literacy rate compared to 72% for the hindus and a paltry 62% for SC/ST. If that is true, then on what basis are almost ALL muslims in TN grouped as OBC (socially and educationally backward) ?

    Spectacular anomaly #2 – AP
    Recently the government allocated a 5% quota for muslims (this resulted in hundreds of muslims getting admissions to medical schools cutting in front of merit students). Guess what, in AP Muslims have a literacy rate of 68% compared to only 59% for hindus and 49% for SC/ST. They have a splendid lead on the hindus of 10% and a whopping 20% lead on the SC/ST. Under what circumstances do they need the 5% quota.

    Spectacular anomaly #3 – West Bengal and Assam
    Scratchy record warning ! The communists really need to be taken to the skewers by the Bengali muslims. They must explain why only 6% of bengalis are OBC whereas 62% of Keralites are (they rule in both states). Is WB the land of milk and honey and is Kerala hopelessly mired in backwardness and oppression ? Where is the social basis for this classification ? In WB, Muslims have only 57% literacy whereas hindus have 73% and SC/ST have 56%. In Assam, Muslims are the worst with 48.4% with hindus at 70% (a whopping 22% behind). Guess what ? In WB, almost NO muslims get OBC benefits. They must compete in the open. The CPI-M apparently has no problems classifying the wealthiest muslims (Mapillahs of Kerala) as OBC but not giving benefits to wretchedly backward muslims of 24 parganas. <- Mark our words this anomaly is waiting to explode sooner or later.

    In states of Orissa, Gujarat, Mah, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Muslims are more literate than hindus.

    Reality Checks action items on Sachar

    The Sachar report naturally leads to the following action items in 2007.

    Remove Muslims from the OBC lists in Tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka, and AP. They can no longer be classified as OBC, because they simply do not meet the “socially AND EDUCATIONALLY backward” requirements due to their high literacy rates. Educational backwardness is a necessary condition for classification as OBC. Thanks to the muslim committee members of the Sachar commission for pointing this out.

    Add Muslims to the OBC lists immediately in Bengal, Assam, and Uttar Pradesh. This must be done after collecting admissions records, and surveys of individual muslim castes in thoses states.

    If you only add and not remove, then you have crossed the line of affirmative action.
     

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    Quotas for all are political sops.

    It is also a means to keep all communities are loggerheads and ready to be exploited , depending on the flavour of the moment.
     
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    I recently saw a one to one interview on DD.

    SY Quereshi, the Chief EC, slammed Khurshed on the issue of Govt control over the Election Commission.

    He appeared to be a level headed person.
     
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    Salman Khurshid is off the mark

    Is Khurshed really off the mark?
     
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    Salman Khurshid is probably acting like yet another Digvijay Singh.

    The minority vote bank is expected to find his comments a bit more credible.
     
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    as if its gonna make any change? Anyway they are gonna vote for religion and those who give them more reservation!!
     
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    Will reservations really help?

    If they do, which sections of the Muslim community will benefit?

    Who are the really marginalised Muslim? Will they get benefit of the reservations?

    What are the 'other means' that can have 'quick impact'?

    And how much more of marginalised sections will get reservations and when will it stop?
     
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    Separately, how far is D.r Juzar Bandukwala right, who has this to say on the subject:

    “Muslim reservation will harm the community far more than any benefits we may derive. As has been proved in the case of SC / ST, these benefits tend to be cornered by a small group. The diversity of Muslim mass is so vast, that the benefits will only flow to a select group, while hardly anything will percolate down to those who really need it. This itself will create a big divide within the Muslim community. Further non Muslims will resent this religious quota, but my opposition is more basic. Once a person avails of reservation, quality and merit are viewed as compromised..
     
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    I was going to pick this out. I think he is bang on the money.
     
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    Yusuf,

    Imagine you being eligible for reservation living the life in the lap of luxury compared to poor me! :lol:

    And though technically a minority, I am not covered by reservations!

    Bandukwala has really hit the target with his Banduk!

    We are dividing society and making each view the other as a usurper and with suspicion.

    Let us help those who really deserve help irrespective of the divisions conjured by society that none wishes to shed!
     
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