Saffron terror?

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    Saffron terror?


    Is saffron a color of Hindu terrorism? Then can green be associated with ******c terror? Why or why not? Is saffron a really dirty color or is there a deliberate attempt to bring into disrepute?


    Dubbing terrorism as SAFFRON immidiately brings into disrepute a whole range of Indian Dharmas.




    In Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism), deep saffron color is associated with sacrifice, religious abstinence, quest for light and salvation. Saffron or "Bhagwa" is the most sacred color for the Hindus and is often worn by "Sanyasis" who have left their home in search of the ultimate truth.


    Buddhist monks in the Theravada tradition typically wear saffron robes (although occasionally maroon--the color normally worn by Vajrayana Buddhist monks--is worn). (The shade of saffron typically worn by Theravada Buddhist monks is the lighter shade of saffron shown above.)


    Sikhs use saffron as the background color of the Nishan Sahib, the flag of the Sikh religion, upon which is displayed the khanda sahib in blue. Saffron turban is very popular among Sikhs. Of course blue is another sacred color of Sikhism.


    Yellow color is closely associated with saffron, and is interchangeable. For Hindu ritual altars, Ganeshji can be drawn in saffron or yellow colours.



    Associating saffron with terrorism is tantamount to dubbing the whole range of Indian dharmas as terrorists, starting from thousands of years ago.


    Rajputs have long associated saffron dress as symbol of the lasr desperate battle. Rajput armies in SAFFRON dress were ferocious, not of afraid of being killed in battle of do-or-die.


    Last. Our National flag has a yellow strip, at the TOP. Is our tiranga a flag of terror? Minoritis appeasers may, tommorow, demand a change in the flag too.
     
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  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Attributing colours to terrorism is indicative of a limitation in the Lexicon Repertoire of the individual.

    It is also indicative of a lazy mind.
     
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    You got to have some distinction to investigate it, adding the region/religion of the accused would be one way but would create too much Hysteria so color is the only go.........
     
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    It is stupid to degrade one color because few individuals does wrong,both green and saffrom terror is stupid terms
     
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    Giving a religious angle to any form of terrorism results from the shoddy work of the intelligence agencies and inefficient politicians. Cannot leave the media out, in the race for TRPs they coin these catchy words. Yellow Journalism at work.
     
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    The people who involved saffron ( My fav color ) with terrorism, can be linked with Radical Islamic terrorist in Pakistan and Bangladesh..

    Is this is a kind of diversion?

    As far as i know all major blast are committed by Radical Islamic Terrorist in India and for the world is same..

    India is now building up some meaningful anti-terrorist solution within the Country but still very vulnerable..

    As per thread level Islamic terrorist are main priority, and only solution for them is bullets and blasts..

    As for Hindu Terrorists they are too responsible for some blast, And justice will be served..
     
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    Also of a michivious mind.

    Gut or GOT? region or religion? I take the latter in both the cases.

    So is there a green terror, like 26/11? Or Beslan? Or... oh, the list is miles long.

    What color is the ethnic cleansing of Hindu Pandits? Or of Punjab, eradicated by KPS Gill ?
     
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    Saffron is the colour of Hindus, Sikhs and even Buddhists.

    Saffron-coloured cloth is thought by some to have a history of use among Celtic peoples. A "saffron" kilt is worn by the pipers of certain Irish regiments in the British Army and in the defence forces of the Republic of Ireland. This garment is also worn by some Irish and Irish-American men as an item of national costume. Its colour varies from a true saffron orange to a range of dull mustard and yellowish-brown hues. The Antrim GAA teams are nicknamed "The Saffrons" because of the saffron-coloured kit which they play in. The surname "Cronin," which originated in County Cork, is derived from the Old Irish word crón, meaning saffron-coloured.

    The colour saffron is associated with the goddess of dawn (Eos in Greek mythology and Aurora in Roman mythology) in classical literature:
    Homer's Iliad :

    Now when Dawn in robe of saffron was hastening from the streams of Okeanos, to bring light to mortals and immortals, Thetis reached the ships with the armor that the god had given her. (19.1)

    Virgil's Aeneid :
    Cymon and Iphigeneia c. 1884 by Frederic Leighton - saffron suffuses the canvas at sunrise

    Aurora now had left her saffron bed,
    And beams of early light the heav'ns o'erspread,
    When, from a tow'r, the queen, with wakeful eyes,
    Saw day point upward from the rosy skies.

    Because Theravada Buddhist monks were at the forefront of the 2007 Burmese anti-government protests, the uprising has been referred to as the Saffron Revolution by some in the international media.

    To amplify:

    1. In Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism), deep saffron color is associated with sacrifice, religious abstinence, quest for light and salvation. Saffron or "Bhagwa" is the most sacred colour for the Hindus and is often worn by "Sanyasis" who have left their home in search of the ultimate truth.

    2. Buddhist monks in the Theravada tradition typically wear saffron robes (although occasionally maroon--the color normally worn by Vajrayana Buddhist monks--is worn). (The shade of saffron typically worn by Theravada Buddhist monks is the lighter shade of saffron shown above.)

    3. Sikhs use saffron as the background colour of the Nishan Sahib, the flag of the Sikh religion, upon which is displayed the khanda in blue

    So, who are the terrorists who are belonging to what is labelled as "Saffron Terror"?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It can't also be 'Swastik Terror' because Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging and Russian National Unity use stylised swastikas or similar symbols.

    Other names for the shape are:

    * crooked cross, hook cross or angled cross (German: Hakenkreuz).
    * cross cramponned, ~nnée, or ~nny, in heraldry, as each arm resembles a crampon or angle-iron (German: Winkelmaßkreuz).
    * fylfot, chiefly in heraldry and architecture. The term is coined in the 19th century based on a misunderstanding of a Renaissance manuscript.
    * gammadion, tetragammadion (Greek: τέτραγαμμάδιον), or cross gammadion (Latin: crux gammata; French: croix gammée), as each arm resembles the Greek letter Γ (gamma).
    * tetraskelion (Greek: τετρασκέλιον), literally meaning "four legged", especially when composed of four conjoined legs (compare triskelion (Greek: τρισκέλιον)).
    * The Tibetan swastika (卍) is known as g-yung drung

    The Buddhist sign has been standardised as a Chinese character 卍 (pinyin: wàn) and as such entered various other East Asian languages such as Japanese where the symbol is called 卍字 (manji). The swastika is included as part of the Chinese script in the form of the character "萬" (pinyin: wàn) and has Unicode encodings U+534D 卍 (left-facing) and U+5350 卐 (right-facing).[4] In Unicode 5.2, four swastika symbols were added to the Tibetan block: U+0FD5 ࿕ (right-facing), U+0FD6 ࿖ (left-facing), U+0FD7 ࿗ (right-facing with dots) and U+0FD8 ࿘ (left-facing with dots).

    The swastika is a historical sacred symbol in Indian religions. It rose to importance in Buddhism during the Mauryan Empire and in Hinduism with the decline of Buddhism in India during the Gupta Empire. With the spread of Buddhism, the Buddhist swastika reached Tibet and China. The symbol was also introduced to Balinese Hinduism by Hindu kings. The use of the swastika by the Bön faith of Tibet, as well as later syncretic religions, such as Cao Dai of Vietnam and Falun Gong of China, can also be traced to Buddhist influence.

    In Bronze Age Europe, the "Sun cross" (a three- or four-armed hooked cross in a circle) appears frequently, often interpreted as a solar symbol. Swastika shapes have been found on numerous artifacts from Iron Age Europe (Greco-Roman, Illyrian, Etruscan, Baltic, Celtic, Germanic, Georgian Bordjgali and Slavic). This prehistoric use seems to be reflected in the appearance of the symbol in various folk cultures of Europe.

    The Finnish Air Force continues to use a swastika as their emblem, originally introduced in 1918.

    Check this photo of Pentagon. It is a swastika

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/silvery/143053448/#/

    Inside the Hagia Sofia (Hagia Sofia, Blue Mosque,) there is a pylon from ancient Egypt that dates back to 3000 BC and we found on the roof signs of the Hindu symbol a swastika.

    Read more: http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blo...ohoneymoon/1182433440/tpod.html#ixzz1CawzXfTR

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    Amiens Cathdral

    The Muslim "Friday" mosque of Isfahan, Iran and the Taynal Mosque in Tripoli, Lebanon both have swastika motifs.

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Swastika
     
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    Ray, we do not not need any testimonials about Swastika. It is symbol of Lord Ganesha and an integral part of Hindu beliefs.

    Come on Ray, a certain Star and a certain moon + a star have caused more bloodshed in history than anyone else.
     
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    I wonder if one could classify terrorism by colour or symbols.

    Both are universal.
     
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    I am not here to give testimonials nor do I think I am qualified to do so.

    However, having observed how threads take a uncontrollable tailspin on any issue even remotely connected to religion, to pre-empt such adventurism, I merely brought out the universality of colour and symbols so that it nips dangerous forays into these areas.
     
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    Let us also understand the crescent and the star.

    The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.

    The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon as its symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana. Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the city's flag even before the birth of Christ.

    The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

    It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.

    For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.



    http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm
     
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    As regarding bloodshed in the name of religion, the medieval era was the era of religious chauvinism and so it is but natural that blood had to be spilled.

    We cannot superimpose today's ethics on the past.

    The environment, beliefs and circumstances were totally different.

    Likewise, the practices relevant in those days where the societal circumstances were different, cannot be judged by today's societal circumstances.
     
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    Actually, Crescent and Pentangle are also part of Hinduism. Tantra uses Pentangle and 'Star of David' very much.

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    The above is the image of Sharada(another version of Saraswati). She is Goddess of learning. Notice that a crescent is adorned in her crown. Also, notice her bindi, it is a combination of crescent and a dot. Then, observe the top of the crown, it is a pentangle.

    The crescent symbolises many things in Hinduism. On of the things is Samaya tantra. According to Hinduism, Moon has 15 phases + 1 eternal phase, total 16 phases. The 15phases are new moon to full moon. The eternal phase is Samaya. Samaya devi is also a consort of Lord Rudra. Lord Rudra is a manifestation of Lord Shiva, and Samaya is a manifestation of Goddess Parvati(or Shakti).

    Pentacle is also part of Yantras...

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    The upward facing triangle generally symbolises Shiva and the downward facing triangle symbolises Shakti(Parvati). The 'star of david' is thus the union of Shiva and Shakti. It is called Shatkon or Shatmukha. Shatmukha means six-faced. Remember, Shiva and Shakti have a son named Karthikeya who is also known as Shanmukha for having six-faces. Thus, 'star of david' also symbolises Karthikeya.
    Below is the image of Sri Yantra. It is made up of 4 upward triangles of Shiva and 5 downward triangles of Shakti. Totally, it has 44 triangles.
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    If you can and want, then go the whole hog.
     
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    My opinion is coloring terrorism is meaningless,the whole world knows which one is global threat including india ,even war on terror by nato wont even consider this saffron terror unless raul baba begs them to tackle it,i think world terrorist list doest contain any of those organization branded as saffron terror.Only indian congress and other useless like commies will raise these kind of issues.
     
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    Saying terrorism is not fuelled by religion is patently false but saying that all religions fuel terrorism is also patently false. To say that Hinduism or Hindus have the potential to be terrorists is very mischeiviously malicious. Everyone has the potential to be a terrorist just as everyone has the potential to be a saint. But in practical terms we dont go by potentials but actual performances.

    In terms of performance, Jihadi terrorism is the biggest threat that India(and the world) faces today. Jihadis claim that they are doing what they are doing under the influence of their religion.

    'Saffron terror' is a mischevious ploy to divert attention from the threat of Jihadi terrorism and the incompetence of the state in handling this terrorism for the fear of backlash from votebanks.
     
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    I believe only those religions which proselytize are capable of producing religious terrorism. These terrorists are motivated by the belief that "their religion is the only true religion", their "god is the only true god, all the others are demigods/devils" and their religion must conquer for the sake of the betterment of humanity.
     
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    Leading right-wing Hindu group battles 'terrorist' accusations


    NEW DELHI // For an organisation that has always been quick to raise the spectre of Islamist terrorism in India, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or RSS, the country's leading Hindu-rights body and the ideological fountainhead of the main opposition party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, finds itself suddenly grappling with a case of turned tables.

    A spate of arrests of its members, in connection with bomb blasts across the country, has given birth to the phrases "saffron terror" and "Hindu terror".

    This negative publicity has alarmed the RSS enough to start what it calls an abhiyan, a mass-contact drive in which volunteers go door-to-door, distributing pamphlets, trying to convince their public that the RSS is not connected with terrorist activity, and thus attempting to undo the damage to its image.

    The RSS's abhiyan, begun discreetly in early January, will continue until the end of February in various parts of the country.

    Nearly 40 RSS swayamsevaks, as the volunteer-members call themselves, have been questioned or investigated by security agencies, over various acts of terror: the 2007 bombings inside the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad, which killed nine people; the blasts in 2007 on the Samjhauta Express train heading to Pakistan, which killed 68 people; the 2007 explosions in the tomb of a Sufi saint in Ajmer, Rajasthan, which killed three people; and the bombings in 2008 in the town of Malegaon, in Maharashtra, which killed seven.

    Seven RSS members or associates are said to be among the prime accused in these cases. One of these seven, Sunil Joshi, was shot and killed soon after the Ajmer blast by, his family claims, his "own men".

    Radical Hindu bodies such as the RSS and its sister outfit the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) have been accused of organised violence before. Rank-and-file RSS and VHP members were charged with involvement in the demolition of the Babri Masjid mosque in 1992 in Ayodhya, the subsequent communal riots in Mumbai, andthe communal riots in Gujarat in 2002.

    The recent arrests, however, mark the first time that so many leading RSS members have been interrogated or arrested in connection with the planning of acts of terror.

    Perhaps the most vital piece of evidence that has made it into the public domain is the 42-page signed confession of Swami Aseemanand, a member of the RSS since the mid-1970s. Mr Aseemanand was arrested last November in the temple town of Haridwar; a copy of his confession was recently procured by the news weekly Tehelka.

    Written in Hindi, the statement quotes Mr Aseemanand as first saying, "I told everyone we should answer bombs with bombs," and later, "I suggested that 80 per cent of the people of Malegaon were Muslims and we should explode the first bomb in Malegaon itself. I also said that during the Partition, the Nizam of Hyderabad had wanted to go with Pakistan so Hyderabad was also a fair target."

    The RSS has been struggling to respond to these investigations and to Mr Aseemanand's confession. Early in January, at a rally in Maharashtra, Ram Madhav, one of the RSS' top leaders, was quoted in The Organiser, the RSS's in-house publication, as stating: "Half of the accused in cases of so-called Hindu terrorism have been falsely incriminated. The government is deceiving the people and trying to portray pious people as terrorists."

    More recently, however, Mr Madhav tempered his assertion by admitting to the press that a few individuals may have "strayed".

    The charges of terrorism levied upon the RSS have given the ruling Congress party,- otherwise beleaguered by a spate of corruption cases, a supply of political ammunition against the RSS and the BJP.

    Last year, a diplomatic cable from the American ambassador to India, Timothy Roemer, revealed the Congress Party's opinion on radical Hindu outfits such as the RSS. The cable, released by Wikileaks, indirectly quoted Rahul Gandhi, the scion of the Congress's Gandhi dynasty.

    "Responding to the Ambassador's query about [the Pakistan-based militant outfit] Lashkar-i-Taiba's activities in the region and immediate threat to India, Gandhi said there was evidence of some support for the group among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community," the cable read. "However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalised Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community.
     

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