Sabre-rattling over Iran

W.G.Ewald

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Good job deflecting the point.
Your "point" was blaming the oppression of the Iranian people under the Shah on the US. My response was that they are just as oppressed now. If the US contributes to the oppression of Iranians in the present, it is because Obama wants to pet the Egyptians and the Libyans and ignore the demonstrators for democracy in Tehran. But your song is always just one note: US is bad.

Honest to God, I tell myself every day not to get bogged down with quibbling pinheads on the internet.:-( Apparently I can't learn.

Time to invoke the 18 Hour Rule.
 

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Especially if they're Jews, eh?
take a moment and see who you are having that discussion with. that gringo hater walks around wearing gringo brands, sips latte in gringo fashioned coffee shops, covets gringo women(probably wanks off to them) loves gringo movies and will be first in line to go to gringo lands to vacation if that dolt could afford it.

he will dumb down every topic he comes into...
 
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Your "point" was blaming the oppression of the Iranian people under the Shah on the US. My response was that they are just as oppressed now. If the US contributes to the oppression of Iranians in the present, it is because Obama wants to pet the Egyptians and the Libyans and ignore the demonstrators for democracy in Tehran. But your song is always just one note: US is bad.
Maybe the Iranians are just as oppressed now. But that doesn't change the fact that the U.S. destroyed Iranian democracy in the past, which is why they have no moral right (if morals even exist in geopolitics) to criticize the lack of Iranian democracy today.
 
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Iran says in reply of the news that was coming from newspaper that israel is ready to attack iran, so what should you expect from iran, OK guys common fuck us we are ready to kick our butts. EH.......
 

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question here is can Israeli planes each all the way to Iran and return from there. It seems quite difficult task to me as Israel have to cross many countries airspace in order to do so.
 

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question here is can Israeli planes each all the way to Iran and return from there. It seems quite difficult task to me as Israel have to cross many countries airspace in order to do so.
They have the saudis that will assist them. muslim brotherhood :pound:
 

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They have the saudis that will assist them. muslim brotherhood :pound:
LAst time US vetoed such attack saudis were with Israelis but dont know situation now. what about other countries in that region?
syria and Jordan will be with Iran I guess and Iranians claim they have their Radars in those countries.
 

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Talk of war on Iran


What is behind the media leaks of Israeli talk about the possibility of launching a military strike against Iran and its nuclear program? In these reports, the Israelis are relying on the notion that there is increasing evidence that this program has a military aspect, contrary to Iran's claim that it is for peaceful, civilian purposes.It is impossible to imagine that the "preparation," or domestic Israeli discussion about launching a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, could take place without receiving American approval for such a move, or without actual American participation in such a strike. This is because Israel is unable to absorb the consequences of military action against Tehran on its own; it certainly requires U.S. military intervention in confronting the Iranian responses to such an attack, throughout the region, especially in the Gulf.

Israel also requires an air bridge to secure the ammunition, missiles and bombs, especially the smart bombs, to confront the responses in the Levant, which Tehran will ignite as part of its defense, with Syria and Lebanon serving as arenas for such a move.

However, American involvement in such a war is unlikely. At least, these are the indications, based on the current mentality of the White House, if we rely on the leaks of political and diplomatic discussions in Washington, or the appraisals of think thanks that are close to the U.S. administration, to varying degrees.


When they put forward this view, these circles rely on the argument that Washington cannot allow Israel to undertake an adventure such as this, in light of America's economic and military difficulties in Afghanistan and Iraq, and political difficulties in confronting the international solidarity with the Palestinian Authority's request for membership as a state in the United Nations. Moreover, there are medium- and long-term repercussions from the Arab Spring when it comes to the stance on Israel on the part of a number of Arab countries whose former regimes were pliable to Washington's demands, to the benefit of Tel Aviv.

One argument is valid with regard to Washington's readiness to see the military option used against Iran, in cooperation with Israel. America's withdrawal of troops from Iraq, which President Barack Obama has said will be complete at the beginning of next year, could free U.S. troops from the possibility of being targeted by Iran next door, through its allies in Iraq. This withdrawal means that using the military option against Iran would be made easier.

Around two weeks ago, the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Ghadanfar Roknabadi, said it was unlikely that Washington would resort to the military option, because U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq were hostages to the ability of Tehran and the "resistances" in the region to target American soldiers. "We will begin to be worried when these troops leave the region," the ambassador said, meaning that Tehran is taking into consideration the idea that the American withdrawal from the region will facilitate Washington's ability to move militarily against Iran.

However, even this argument can be countered. In addition to America's current economic difficulties, which prevent it from taking on the added financial costs of any new war, and the catastrophic consequences for the entire Middle East, the withdrawal from Iraq is insufficient to spare the Americans losses, since there are U.S. troops in a number of Gulf countries, and in Afghanistan.

Moreover, there is also the argument that views the American withdrawal from Iraq as part of a decline in Washington's policy in the region, and not an offensive. This withdrawal, the argument goes, will lead in practical terms to an acknowledgment of Tehran's influence in Iraq, and movement by Iran in the direction of cementing its control of the rules of the game in Baghdad, Damascus and Beirut. Therefore, Washington and Israel will lean toward negotiating with the Iranian leadership over conditions in the region, rather than escalating their rivalry with the Islamic Republic.

These expectations might be tested in the coming months and end up resembling the expectations about the future of Syria. If this happens, then the victory of the argument that the military option against Iran is unlikely will win out, raising questions about Israel's game of beating the war drum. The government of Benjamin Netanyahu, like that of western countries, might need to flee from their domestic economic difficulties, which have sparked unprecedented protest movements.

Israel is now trying to break the international isolation that has begun to target the Jewish state, amid the growing international recognition of a Palestinian state. Taking the discussion of striking Iran out in the open diverts attention from the failure by extremists in Israel to arrive at a peaceful settlement of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and the consequences of this for Israel, and even its ally America.

Talk of war on Iran
 

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Distance between Iran and Israel is around 1500 Km. Israel has F-15E Strike eagle with BVR Missiles like AMRAAM. They also have Air-Refuelling aircraft.

So, Technically they can attack Iran secret nuke plant. Even Iraq could be helpful, if needed.

In Worst case scenario, Jericho-2,3 will turn Iran in stone age in maximum 1-2 hours.

What if Iran retaliates with Long range Missiles ? Then Israel has Iron Dome, Patriot, SpyDer, Arrow-1,2,3, David Slig, etc. to face any attack.

In Short, Israel can destroy Iran nuke plant or Iran, The day they want and no Middle-east countries will able to do anything except shouting like mad dogs. :lol:
 
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every country has the right to have the nukes, whether Iran or Israel.....
Israel has the agenda of terrorism in middle east..
If Iran has right to have Nuke, Then Israel has right to destroy it.

Remember Iraq nuke plant ?? Israel destroyed it. They will repeat again if Iran has such intention.

Israel has nuke for last 40 years. When they used their Nuke ?? NEVER. If they had any such intention, There would be no Middle-East today.
 

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every country has the right to have the nukes, whether Iran or Israel.....
Israel has the agenda of terrorism in middle east..
YOu need to undesrand one thing. Irael is not neighbor of Iran and has no border dispute with it but still Iran treats Israel as its enemy and sole reason to go after Nuclear bomb is to be used against Israel.When you are surrounded by enemies only option you have is preemptive strike .
 

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Every country has the right to defend itself, and that includes acquiring nuclear weapons if necessary.

Please avoid doublespeak. How can you support India or Israel acquiring nuclear weapons and not Iran?
 
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LAst time US vetoed such attack saudis were with Israelis but dont know situation now. what about other countries in that region?
syria and Jordan will be with Iran I guess and Iranians claim they have their Radars in those countries.
There is no muslim brotherhood exists now, but this time Saudis stands neutral or may support Iran due to the virus of civil war which is ready in Sauds Arabia...It will blow up the whole middle east and this time the whole Muslim community supporting Iran compared to Saudis.. Muslim peoples impressed by Irani regime and it effect the whole Muslim world, so it will be full fledged long devastating war. Syria, Russia, China, Pakistan, Qatar, Turkey, Malasia are with Iran... its not 1967 or other....
 

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If Iran has right to have Nuke, Then Israel has right to destroy it.

Remember Iraq nuke plant ?? Israel destroyed it. They will repeat again if Iran has such intention.

Israel has nuke for last 40 years. When they used their Nuke ?? NEVER. If they had any such intention, There would be no Middle-East today.
If west or china had bombed Indian nuclear plant then i would have loved to see you justify that.

Right doesn't enter into the equation because its nonsensical. But power and interest does enter into it.

Correct statement would be "If Iran has the power to build a Nuke, Then Israel has an interest to destroy it."

Even pakis have had nukes for decades and even they have not used it :lol: but that doesn't mean they wont. In anycase nukes are defensive weapons...make no mistake if one's nation is on the brink of collapse then nukes will be used whether it is israel or pakistan or anyone else.
 
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Every country has the right to defend itself, and that includes acquiring nuclear weapons if necessary.

Please avoid doublespeak. How can you support India or Iran acquiring nuclear weapons and not Iran?
wow. India had 2 nuclear armed enemy and hence acquired the bomb . Israel is not the neighbor of Iran and AFAIK has not attacked them till now but still every 2nd day Iran take a vow to dessimate Israel. Dont you see the difference ?
 

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