Russia's Mr Fix-it

[jakojako777]

FROM ARTICLE

"Kosovo Liberation Army helps establish "Protectorate" in Haiti"

by Anthony Fenton


"The KLA is best known as a terrorist organization with ties to the CIA, US State Department, and narco-trafficking".

Kosovo Liberation Army helps establish "Protectorate" in Haiti

 

[Martian]

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Kosovo seems insignificant. What was the strategic advantage for the US?

Kosovo was last stage of destruction of Yugoslavia.
Bondsteel military base is one of the biggest bases ever built after 2ndWW!(built on Kosovo and it is for FREE of course)
From that base USA has control of all south east Europe including NABUCCO GAS PIPLINE that will pass near by (in Macedonia) once is built

Yougoslavia was not under USA control before the war. So war permitted destruction of the country - economy and industry - that was bought afterward for few dollars.........
The objective was to remove Yougoslavia completely and any Russian influence in region. Weaken Serbia (Russian allay)and assure future allays in Albanians by giving them (15% of Serb territory) Kosovo as gift !

Underneath I have different articles that talk about CIA- U.S. and KLA (illegal) cooperation I don't expect you to read all so it is up to you...
I have only highlighted titles or parts but there is plenty of text behind those links...

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As early as 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and funds supplied from Islamic countries and individuals, including Osama bin Laden. This did not stop the United States from arming and training KLA members in Albania and in the summer of 1998 sending them back into Kosovo to assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and intimidate hesitant Kosovo Albanians. The aim was to destabilize Kosovo and overthrow Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic.

CRG -- The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai

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KLA sites of systematic torture and killings were based throughout Kosovo and also in parts of Albania. For example Kukes and Burrel in Albania were used by the KLA with regards to military training, obtaining weapons, and for other factors. This in itself raises the role of Albania and NATO nations which took part in the bombing of the former Yugoslavia.

Kosovo and Systematic Persecution by KLA
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CIA Aided Kosovo Guerrilla Army All Along

American intelligence agents have admitted they helped to train the Kosovo Liberation Army before NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia. The disclosure angered some European diplomats, who said this had undermined moves for a political solution to the conflict between Serbs and Albanians

CIA Aided Kosovo Guerrilla Army All Along

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...The financing of the Kosovo guerilla war poses critical questions and it sorely test claims of an "ethical" foreign policy. Should the West back a guerrilla army that appears to partly financed by organized crime?

- Drugs Money Linked to the Kosovo Rebels (The Times, London, March 24, 1999)



(4/9/99) Kosovo "Freedom Fighters" Financed by Drug Money, CIA
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Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA - includes related article comparing United States foreign policy in Central America and Kosovo

Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA - includes related article comparing United States foreign policy in Central America and Kosovo | Progressive, The | Find Articles at BNET

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Now the (London) 'Sunday Times' has confirmed our charges. The OSCE Verification Mission in Kosovo was indeed a phony, a cover for the CIA to set up liaison with the KLA and spy on Yugoslavia. Walker was indeed creating another death squad operation, just as he did in El Salvador.

The Cat is Out of the Bag

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Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA.

Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA. - Free Online Library
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Bin Laden, Iran,and the KLA
How Islamic Terrorism Took Root in Albania
September 19, 2001

On 4 May 1999, the Washington Times reported, citing new reports from US intelligence and Jane’s Defense Review, that the town of Tropoje, Albania was a"common staging area" for Bin Laden’s and the KLA’s forces, and thus "a center for Islamic terrorists." US intelligence also acknowledged that Bin Ladin’s al-Qaeda had "both trained and financially supported" the Albanians, and that the Kosovo border had been infiltrated by Bosnian, Chechen and Afghan mujaheedin, in "…crossings (which) originated in neighboring Albania and, according to the reports, included parties of up to 50 men." The Jane’s report added that "…documents found last year on the body of a KLA member showed that he had escorted several volunteers into Kosovo, including more than a dozen Saudi Arabians. Each volunteer carried a passport identifying him as a Macedonian Albanian."

Bin Laden, Iran, and the KLA

Your first two paragraphs are astonishing and revealing to me. I've read numerous American articles on the Yugoslav war and they only talk about human rights. I cannot believe the valuable information that you have provided.

1. Yugoslavia was communist. "It was renamed to the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia in 1946, when a communist government was established." See Yugoslavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. YugoSLAVia was populated and controlled by Slavs, who are cousins to Russian Slavic people.

3. Being communist and Slavic, Yugoslavia has been a long-term ally of Russia on ideological and ethnic grounds.

4. Yugoslavia is critically located in Southeastern Europe. The United States desired control of "Bondsteel military base, one of the biggest bases ever built after second World War."

Camp Bondsteel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Serbian side has repeated numerous times that the reason NATO had attacked her in the Kosovo War was their eventual desire to establish a military outpost in the Balkans. This came at a time when most European nations were forcing the US to close bases on their land, or were rejecting construction of any new ones. This further proved that NATO and the US had an interest in establishing some sort of permanent military presence and that the Albanian side would be willing to allow it as opposed to the Serbs who wanted nothing to do with NATO or the US."

5. Camp Bondsteel, at 955 acres or 360,000 sq. meters, allows the US to militarily dominate the Balkans (i.e. Southeastern Europe). Economically, Camp Bondsteel permits US control of the proposed Nabucco pipeline project.

Nabucco pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The pipeline attempts to lessen European dependence on Russian energy.[1][2] The project is backed by several European Union states and the United States[3][4][5][6] and is seen as rival to the planned Russian South Stream pipeline.[7][8]"

6. "The objective was to [destroy] Yugoslavia completely and any Russian influence in the region. [In the process, the US] weakened Serbia (a Russian ally) and [secured] future allies in Albanians by giving them Kosovo (15% of Serb territory) as a gift!"

The strategic military and economic objectives of the US in Yugoslavia are clearly military control and to enable the building of an US-controlled gas pipeline from Turkey/Mideast to Europe. The effect is to liberate Europeans from undue Russian influence and control of gas that heat European homes and power European industry.

I have been under the false impression that the "busybody" United States has been waging expensive and pointless wars over selective human rights in faraway lands. I now see that the Cold War did not end with the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1991. For the United States, the Cold War never ended. I also believe that the Cold War will never end until the United States accomplishes its goal of weakening Russia to the point of irrelevance.

 

[jakojako777]

Your first two paragraphs are astonishing and revealing to me. I've read numerous American articles on the Yugoslav war and they only talk about human rights. I cannot believe the valuable information that you have provided.

1. Yugoslavia was communist. "It was renamed to the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia in 1946, when a communist government was established." See Yugoslavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. YugoSLAVia was populated and controlled by Slavs, who are cousins to Russian Slavic people.

3. Being communist and Slavic, Yugoslavia has been a long-term ally of Russia on ideological and ethnic grounds.

4. Yugoslavia is critically located in Southeastern Europe. The United States desired control of "Bondsteel military base, one of the biggest bases ever built after second World War."

Camp Bondsteel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Serbian side has repeated numerous times that the reason NATO had attacked her in the Kosovo War was their eventual desire to establish a military outpost in the Balkans. This came at a time when most European nations were forcing the US to close bases on their land, or were rejecting construction of any new ones. This further proved that NATO and the US had an interest in establishing some sort of permanent military presence and that the Albanian side would be willing to allow it as opposed to the Serbs who wanted nothing to do with NATO or the US."

5. Camp Bondsteel, at 955 acres or 360,000 sq. meters, allows the US to militarily dominate the Balkans (i.e. Southeastern Europe). Economically, Camp Bondsteel permits US control of the proposed Nabucco pipeline project.

Nabucco pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The pipeline attempts to lessen European dependence on Russian energy.[1][2] The project is backed by several European Union states and the United States[3][4][5][6] and is seen as rival to the planned Russian South Stream pipeline.[7][8]"

6. "The objective was to [destroy] Yugoslavia completely and any Russian influence in the region. [In the process, the US] weakened Serbia (a Russian ally) and [secured] future allies in Albanians by giving them Kosovo (15% of Serb territory) as a gift!"

The strategic military and economic objectives of the US in Yugoslavia are clearly military control and to enable the building of an US-controlled gas pipeline from Turkey/Mideast to Europe. The effect is to liberate Europeans from undue Russian influence and control of gas that heat European homes and power European industry.

I have been under the false impression that the "busybody" United States has been waging expensive and pointless wars over selective human rights in faraway lands. I now see that the Cold War did not end with the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1991. For the United States, the Cold War never ended. I also believe that the Cold War will never end until the United States accomplishes its goal of weakening Russia to the point of irrelevance.

REMEBER

USA wars have NEVER anything to do with democracy
USA wars are about geopolitics = world domination and (oil and all other precious resources that bring MONEY= POWER)

Try to use that angle and read always (for your own sake) OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY and whole new world without controlled media illusions will
be opened in front of you!


You did great job with that last post, much better than I did !!:thank_you2:

MERRY MARTIAN CHRISTMAS my friend !

 

[Martian]

REMEBER

USA wars have NEVER anything to do with democracy
USA wars are about geopolitics = world domination and (oil and all other precious resources that bring MONEY= POWER)

Try to use that angle and read always (for your own sake) OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY and whole new world without controlled media illusions will
be opened in front of you!


You did great job with that last post, much better than I did !!:thank_you2:

MERRY MARTIAN CHRISTMAS my friend !

I'm beginning to realize that the United States is not the liberal and mindless do-gooder that I had previously believed. It appears that the US invests its lives and money only into war efforts that possess strategic value to the United States.

The challenge for me is to discern the US national interests in any major action, whether economic or military. That will be difficult because the US government and media do not want its citizenry to debate the merits of the attempted strategic goals. It's simpler to just say human rights and end the debate. After all, which American would oppose human rights?

On my last post, all of the critical information came from your post. For years, I've been pretty clueless about the real US motivations for the Kosovo war. While I was thinking through the issue step-by-step, I merely repackaged your insights. The substance of the post is yours alone.

My friend, jakojako777, I wish you a Merry Christmas!

 

[jakojako777]

I'm beginning to realize that the United States is not the liberal and mindless do-gooder that I had previously believed. It appears that the US invests its lives and money only into war efforts that possess strategic value to the United States.

The challenge for me is to discern the US national interests in any major action, whether economic or military. That will be difficult because the US government and media do not want its citizenry to debate the merits of the attempted strategic goals. It's simpler to just say human rights and end the debate. After all, which American would oppose human rights?

On my last post, all of the critical information came from your post. For years, I've been pretty clueless about the real US motivations for the Kosovo war. While I was thinking through the issue step-by-step, I merely repackaged your insights. The substance of the post is yours alone.

My friend, jakojako777, I wish you a Merry Christmas!

On my last post, all of the critical information came from your post.

it is much more difficult even painful to constant shortcomings of your own government

pretty clueless about the real US motivations for the Kosovo war

marines get killed in Iraq & Afghanistan not for weapons of mass destruction, not for removing Saddam (who was just disobeying puppet just like general Noriega)
or to find Bin Laden or to stop genocide or to bring democracy and above all NOT for humanitarian reasons

they are always about the MONEY making war profits for military industrial complex, they are about POWER and WORLD DOMINATION
Sometime those wars are NOT started for winning but just for SPENDING tax dollars as long as possible.....forever
to make PROFIT to the banks & corporations!

Wars are the MOST PROFITABLE BUSINESS ON EARTH !


Magic MANTRA to repeat is "SECURITY" and "PROTECT" to make people scared all the time to force them into irrational decisions....


And yes "HUMANITARIAN" and "PATRIOTISM" are emotional blockers
but behind that curtain pupet masters are heartless cynical ba$tard$ with only one God=MONEY!
And we are sheeple!
They use the most modern science & psychology today to learn how to manipulate masses... ordinary people....

MERRY CHRISTMAS Martian !!!
:signs_partytime2::signs_partytime2::signs_partytime2:

 

[Armand2REP]

Putin is a master at politics. He knows how to use the media to promise the people a better life. However, since there's no transparency in the government, no citizen can demand that the Russian government provide a list of completed construction projects. It is my belief that it isn't just the oligarchs that are rich in Russia. I believe Putin is richer than any of the oligarchs.

While Russian projects aren't as transparent as the West is used to. There is enough information to know what direction things are going, everyone knows everything about the country is messed up, but it is better than the ninties. Putin gains his popularity from the takeover from the dismal failure that was Yeltsin and spent record oil profits on more social spending. At the same time, he failed to make the necessary investment in the infrastructure vital for the economy to survive, much less grow. If you ask a Russian, are you better off than you were ten years ago, they will undoubtedly say yes because it couldn't have been any worse. As the recession has deepened, the polls are dropping to the half way mark. The declining support has forced the regime to take a more hardlined approach on Freedom of Speech and the right to vote. The recent elections were rigged and it is because of the falling support it had to be done. Putin isn't a master of politics, he is a master of political supression.

The US and NATO were unhappy with the Soviets threatening nuclear Armageddon during the Cold War. The US and NATO would understandably prefer a weak Russia.

NATO has little to fear from Russia which is why we have gutted European militaries. It is only the weak CIS states that really fear Russia, but even then they are turning to the West since Russia can no longer financially provide what they need.

However, I do not believe that the US ordered Georgia to start an artillery bombardment of Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia or South Ossetia. I think Michael Saakashvili did it on his own initiative. Unfortunately, the Georgian-Russian war has given the Russian hawks the justification that they needed to spend more money on the military. Russia is already safe from foreign invasions as a nuclear superpower.

Of course the US wouldn't want Sakashtupid to attack Russian peacekeepers which is why you didn't intervene. Russia was happy to respond since it put the fear into her little neighbours that had thoughts of doing something independent but that turned out to backfire. As the war was justification for rearmament, now Russia is finding out that they are incapable of doing it. Now they must quickly buildup their nuke stockpile since their conventional military is incapable of defending them. They have an easy time meeting START II since they can't even produce the limits given in the treaty.

I think Putin, Medvedev, United Russia, and the rest of the Russian government need to take a good hard look at Russia's future. If things continue as they are, I think Russia's future is on the bleak side. If Putin can recapture his own and the oligarchs' wealth and direct it to nation-building then things will improve for the average Russian. This is a classical dilemma. Do you want to focus your nation's resources on guns (i.e. military) or butter (i.e. economy)?

With a $2 trillion pricetag needed to be spent yesterday and an economic recession, it is too late for Russia. They are dying. It is only a matter of time until the pronouncement.

 

[jakojako777]

While Russian projects aren't as transparent as the West is used to. There is enough information to know what direction things are going, everyone knows everything about the country is messed up, but it is better than the ninties. Putin gains his popularity from the takeover from the dismal failure that was Yeltsin and spent record oil profits on more social spending. At the same time, he failed to make the necessary investment in the infrastructure vital for the economy to survive, much less grow. If you ask a Russian, are you better off than you were ten years ago, they will undoubtedly say yes because it couldn't have been any worse. As the recession has deepened, the polls are dropping to the half way mark. The declining support has forced the regime to take a more hardlined approach on Freedom of Speech and the right to vote. The recent elections were rigged and it is because of the falling support it had to be done. Putin isn't a master of politics, he is a master of political supression.




NATO has little to fear from Russia which is why we have gutted European militaries. It is only the weak CIS states that really fear Russia, but even then they are turning to the West since Russia can no longer financially provide what they need.



Of course the US wouldn't want Sakashtupid to attack Russian peacekeepers which is why you didn't intervene. Russia was happy to respond since it put the fear into her little neighbours that had thoughts of doing something independent but that turned out to backfire. As the war was justification for rearmament, now Russia is finding out that they are incapable of doing it. Now they must quickly buildup their nuke stockpile since their conventional military is incapable of defending them. They have an easy time meeting START II since they can't even produce the limits given in the treaty.



With a $2 trillion pricetag needed to be spent yesterday and an economic recession, it is too late for Russia. They are dying. It is only a matter of time until the pronouncement.

If you ask a Russian, are you better off than you were ten years ago, they will undoubtedly say yes because it couldn't have been any worse

As usual you comments are anti Putin no matter what.
But numbers show us DIFFERENT story
Russian GDP was growing every year in rate of 6 to 7% during Putin's presidency and even as PM except for the 2009 it was negative be cause of economic crsis!

Russian GDP per capita is EQUAL to that of Poland today, so considering how low it was Russian GDP per capita in drunkard Yeltsin's time
Putin really IMPROVED lives of Russian people lot !

It is only the weak CIS states that really fear Russia, but even then they are turning to the West since Russia can no longer financially provide what they need.

We will see about that ....Ukraine will vote for Janukovich PRO - Russian candidate and candidate brought by CIA "color revolution" Juschenko has 3% of popularity among Ukrainians
For central Asia we will see
You probably read to much Reuters and other NATO propaganda agencies
So who "fears" Georgia?
They have NOTHING to "fear" if they don't attack !

Baltic countries?
Russia does NOT NEED them! Russia is SUPER RICH with resources !
Russia has SUPER BRIGHT FUTURE with oil, gas and all other resources!
Has enough land to FEED the whole PLANET !
WHY would Russia start war with NATO to attack 3 tiny economically FAILED countries?!
WHY?!
That is ONLY their PARANOIA!

The others? Name ONE other CIS country that "fears" Russia? ONE PLEASE !?

I do not believe that the US ordered Georgia to start an artillery bombardment of Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

So WHY USA GAVE so much weapons to Georgia before attack? And Israel's drones and USA special operations troops that were training Georgian army?
Documents and weapons were found!
USA was also using their servants Israel & Turkey to sell weapons and train
Georgians.

So WHAT was all that for? To enforce the "peace" perhaps?!

And Ukrainian and Baltic countries mercenaries? And USA war ships "bringing aid" to Georgia immediatly after the war?
And speed up visit of D!ck Chaney and promises of USA military backing?
I'm sure that I can find articles that give argument for all I say here, can you for yours?

The problem is that USA didn't expect such strong and QUICK answer from Russia!
They have planned that Georgians retakes positions so that they (USA)can send war ships"bringing aid" to Georgia and sending also thousands USA NATO "peacekeepers" to "separate" 2 sides (actually to re-enforce NATO presence in region)
But Russia have destroyed that plan by exploding Georgian army in few days and showing USA & NATO that they mean business !
And giving SIGN that this is RED LINE, that if crossed will trigger World War!
Of course USA citizens don't want to die for tiny country they didn't even know existing before that war!


Russia was happy to respond

sounds like Russians almost have planed or paid Georgians to kill 12 Russian soldiers and 300 civilians who happened to have Russian citizenship !
(You know even plenty of Georgians used to work in Russia before the war)

since it put the fear into her little neighbours that had thoughts of doing something independent


There you go again! Baltic countries are MEMBERS of NATO!!!
Why would they be affraid of Russian attack?!
WHY would Russia start World War by attacking 3 tiny shitty good for nothing countries!They have NO oil NO riches NO, NOTHING !
So why would they be "affraid" as NATO members?!
WHY?


This is a classical dilemma. Do you want to focus your nation's resources on guns (i.e. military) or butter

Russian standard of living has risen that is 100% PROVED FACT !
Russia doesn't have choice but to invest most of the money in weapons despite all
arguments about need of their economy (you've mentioned)

Russia is HUGE and UNDERPOPULATED country with the BIGGEST POPULATION country next door that NEED RESOURCES and Russia has BIGGEST RESOURCES in the world !


Only that as reason is more than enough let alone USA & NATO plan to encircle Russia (now trying that in central Asia)
and USA plan to obtain first strike primacy over Russia (that is why USA wants building anti ballistic missile batteries in Europe not for Iran!)

Russia has
1st resources in gas in the world
5th resources in oil
(without Rusian Arctic - unevaluated reserves that go up to 30% more of all reserves - for gas and oil)
Gold, diamonds, platinum, uranium etc. you name it they have it !
China doesn't even have enough water let alone the rest !
So PLEASE try at least to think if you don't have information!


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[jakojako777]

While Russian projects aren't as transparent as the West is used to.

PICK YOUR ARTICLE I'LL SEND YOU a LINK !

NATO - RUSSIA


U.S. Uses NATO as a Tool to Integrate Russia Into its Project for a New World Order - Expert - 2009-12-17

Former Soviet States: Battleground For Global Domination - by Rick Rozoff - 2009-11-23

Dangerous Crossroads: U.S. Expands Asian NATO Against China, Russia - by Rick Rozoff - 2009-10-17


Arctic: Canada Leads NATO Confrontation With Russia - by Rick Rozoff - 2009-08-05

Afghanistan: Training Ground for War on Russia - by Rick Rozoff - 2009-07-26

VIDEO: NATO exercises provoke Russia - by F. William Engdahl - 2009-05-14

Eurasian "Diplomacy": Russia and China confront the US and NATO over Afghanistan - by Eric Walberg - 2009-04-22

Russia accuses US and NATO of Interference In Georgia - 2009-04-14



NATO plans to rebase F-16 jets from Italy to Poland. Russia signals concern - 2009-03-29

Russia to upgrade army in response to NATO expansion - 2009-03-18



NATO naval build-up in Black Sea Threatens Russia - 2008-08-27

'No tradeoff' with Russia on NATO growth, missile shield - Bush - 2008-04-01



Moscow warns NATO against military build-up targeting Russia - by Simon Saradzhyan - 2007-11-21

Global Military Alliance: Encircling Russia and China - by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya - 2007-05-10

Why did West lie on NATO expansion, asks Russia - by Amit Baruah - 2007-02-18

Agents "Spying on Russia with NATO help" - 2006-12-18

West uses NATO to put Pressure on Russia - 2006-11-30
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RUSSIA-GEORGIA

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Russia accuses US and NATO of Interference In Georgia - 2009-04-14

Russia says Georgia is building up its forces - by Zerin Elci - 2008-11-19

Russian Official: The US 'attacked' Russia via proxy in Georgia conflict - by Arash Zahedi - 2008-09-14

Russia calls for more observers in Georgia - 2008-08-30

Georgia breaks ties with Russia - 2008-08-29

Using Georgia to Target Russia - by Stephen Lendman - 2008-08-13

Georgia urges Russia to halt navy drills - 2006-10-03

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Do you know WHY citizens of Russian origin who are BORN in Baltic countries ( Estonia, Letonia and Latvia ) and lived there for generations are DENIED BASIC HUMAN RIGHT of citizenship in Estonia, Letonia and Latvia ?

And WHY European Court for Human Rights doesn't have condemnation for that ?


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[Armand2REP]

If you ask a Russian, are you better off than you were ten years ago, they will undoubtedly say yes because it couldn't have been any worse

As usual you comments are anti Putin no matter what.
But numbers show us DIFFERENT story
Russian GDP was growing every year in rate of 6 to 7% during Putin's presidency and even as PM except for the 2009 it was negative be cause of economic crsis!

Russian GDP per capita is EQUAL to that of Poland today, so considering how low it was Russian GDP per capita in drunkard Yeltsin's time
Putin really IMPROVED lives of Russian people lot !

By the end of Yeltsin's reign, the Russian economy had collapsed. Doubling wages from nothing to a little was not a great feat when riding the oil gravy train that is now derailed. When Russia is as energy rich as she is and GDP is quite a bit less than the Poles, it speaks poorly about Russian central planning.

It is only the weak CIS states that really fear Russia, but even then they are turning to the West since Russia can no longer financially provide what they need.

We will see about that ....Ukraine will vote for Janukovich PRO - Russian candidate and candidate brought by CIA "color revolution" Juschenko has 3% of popularity among Ukrainians
For central Asia we will see
You probably read to much Reuters and other NATO propaganda agencies
So who "fears" Georgia?
They have NOTHING to "fear" if they don't attack !

Yanukovich or Tymoshyenko? I hear Yulia is going to win. As much as she pretends to appease Putin, she is actually pro NATO according to her recent writings.

Baltic countries?
Russia does NOT NEED them! Russia is SUPER RICH with resources !
Russia has SUPER BRIGHT FUTURE with oil, gas and all other resources!
Has enough land to FEED the whole PLANET !
WHY would Russia start war with NATO to attack 3 tiny economically FAILED countries?!
WHY?!
That is ONLY their PARANOIA!

Enough land to feed the planet? All the arable land is already used up and they always import more than they export. In effect, they can't even feed themselves. All the resources in the world don't mean jack unless you can extract them cheaply. They don't even have the technology to drill most of it. They are living off old wells that are drying up, only Sakhalin saved them. If it is paranoia, why did Russia change the nuke doctrine to premptive strike? Why does the party continually say they are not giving up Crimea? Why are they buying our Mistrals? Why buy obsolete Israeli UAVs? They aren't going to be fighting NATO, they are planning on fighting their weak neighbours.

The others? Name ONE other CIS country that "fears" Russia? ONE PLEASE !?

Uzbekistan

I do not believe that the US ordered Georgia to start an artillery bombardment of Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

So WHY USA GAVE so much weapons to Georgia before attack? And Israel's drones and USA special operations troops that were training Georgian army?
Documents and weapons were found!
USA was also using their servants Israel & Turkey to sell weapons and train
Georgians.

So WHAT was all that for? To enforce the "peace" perhaps?!

USA gave them small arms because they want them to join NATO, of course. That didn't mean they wanted them to take on Russia unilaterally.

And Ukrainian and Baltic countries mercenaries? And USA war ships "bringing aid" to Georgia immediatly after the war?
And speed up visit of D!ck Chaney and promises of USA military backing?
I'm sure that I can find articles that give argument for all I say here, can you for yours?

Georgia had thousands of troops in Iraq fighting for the US, of course they were going to support them. They also had to transport them back in a hurry.

The problem is that USA didn't expect such strong and QUICK answer from Russia!

USA never expected any of it.

They have planned that Georgians retakes positions so that they (USA)can send war ships"bringing aid" to Georgia and sending also thousands USA NATO "peacekeepers" to "separate" 2 sides (actually to re-enforce NATO presence in region)

But Russia have destroyed that plan by exploding Georgian army in few days and showing USA & NATO that they mean business !
And giving SIGN that this is RED LINE, that if crossed will trigger World War!
Of course USA citizens don't want to die for tiny country they didn't even know existing before that war!

There never was a NATO plan. If there was, don't you think they would have brought back the Georgian troops from Iraq first? Don't you think they would have given them more than assault rifles? Don't you think they would have prepositioned warships in the Black Sea to keep the Russian Navy off? Don't you think they would have arranged the destruction of the Roki tunnel to keep the Russian Army out? One mission by a JDAM carrying F-22 could have ended that war before the Russians could even mobalise.

Russia was happy to respond

sounds like Russians almost have planed or paid Georgians to kill 12 Russian soldiers and 300 civilians who happened to have Russian citizenship !
(You know even plenty of Georgians used to work in Russia before the war)

Russia gave the South Ossetians passports because they wanted to use them as the moral highground. The same thing has been done in Ukraine. It is an obvious pattern of where their targets are to legitamise their attack. Russia knew Saakashvili was going to attack and an invasion plan had already been drawn up. The whole incident had been building for years with the issuing of those passports.

since it put the fear into her little neighbours that had thoughts of doing something independent


There you go again! Baltic countries are MEMBERS of NATO!!!
Why would they be affraid of Russian attack?!
WHY would Russia start World War by attacking 3 tiny shitty good for nothing countries!They have NO oil NO riches NO, NOTHING !
So why would they be "affraid" as NATO members?!
WHY?

Who is talking about the Baltics? I was refering to CIS states.

Russian standard of living has risen that is 100% PROVED FACT !

Russian standard of living has dropped since the USSR. Life expectancy, alchohol consumption, birthrates, crime rates, income dipsarity, unemployment, infrastructure, agriculture, forested land were all better than they are today. That is why their people long for it.

Russia doesn't have choice but to invest most of the money in weapons despite all arguments about need of their economy (you've mentioned)

You can't build and maintain an army without an economy. They are not mutually exclusive. Since Russia's economy has fallen behind in production and technology they are no longer able to build the weapons they need. Since they can't afford to pay troops a decent wage, all they get are illiterate contractors and conscripts too poor to bribe their way out of it.

Russia is HUGE and UNDERPOPULATED country with the BIGGEST POPULATION country next door that NEED RESOURCES and Russia has BIGGEST RESOURCES in the world !

Russia has
1st resources in gas in the world
5th resources in oil
(without Rusian Arctic - unevaluated reserves that go up to 30% more of all reserves - for gas and oil)
Gold, diamonds, platinum, uranium etc. you name it they have it !
China doesn't even have enough water let alone the rest !

China has little of it and their economy dwarfs Russia, France has little of it, half the people and our economy still dwarfs Russia. India has little of it and their economy will dwarf Russia in 10 years. Russia cannot continue depending on raw materials as the major source of their economy, but that is all Putin is interested in. Russia is more like Iran, a dictatorial regime that lives off raw materials and whose technology is dependent on others.

So PLEASE try at least to think if you don't have information!

Merry Christmas!

 

[jakojako777]

lives off raw materials and whose technology is dependent on others.

I'll answer it all when I find the time just this to underline how your comments are often out of any proportion.........

If Russia is so backward why is still above France in so many domains specially when it comes rocket science (which is definitely not French weak spot)
Russia is working at the moment on the space ship on atomic propulsion (France?No?) not even USA!
Russia is making plane of 5th generation (France?No?)you are NOT even doing it on EUROPEAN level let alone national level !
Almost all planes that are created in Russia are NOT result of cooperation like in French case!
For the rest,... result of military industry speaks for itself.
Despite French high tech edge Russian weapons are still selling much better than French.
Than there are atomic power stations that Russia is building, nanotechnology, petrochemical industry even shipbuilding(yes I know Mistral LoL)etc.
The only really weak Russian spot is that Russian cars suck and that Russian industry is really in bad shape be cause of decade of non investing
But nobody is hiding Russian dependence on oil and very bad shape
of industry that needs INVESTMENT like all other infrastructure...

Just money must start to flaw and than things will fall in place (and you will be disappointed that things are going well in Russia when that happens!)
This crisis had just put accent on more than decade old problem but Russia will make reforms and rebuild her industry I'm sure!
What goes on my nerves is that you in your comments tend to exaggerate lot.....
I'm much more optimist for the future of Russia than for the future of France!

 

[Armand2REP]

lives off raw materials and whose technology is dependent on others.

I'll answer it all when I find the time just this to underline how your comments are often out of any proportion.........

If Russia is so backward why is still above France in so many domains specially when it comes rocket science (which is definitely not French weak spot)

Russia isn't above France in so many domains. France is above Russia in just about everything. Russians inherited solid Soviet technology which is functional and cheap, that is the case for rockets.

Russia is working at the moment on the space ship on atomic propulsion (France?No?) not even USA!

Even Russian scientists call it pipedreams. Russians are big on promises, show us the results!

Russia is making plane of 5th generation (France?No?)you are NOT even doing it on EUROPEAN level let alone national level !

France and Europe are alliance members. We do not need to drop $20 billion to develop 5th generation fighters when we can join the JSF consortium. France has no need since Rafale is superior in many ways, if we did we would join.

Almost all planes that are created in Russia are NOT result of cooperation like in French case!

French planes that arent' part of the Euro Consortium are not based on cooperation, like Rafale. France is a leading state of the EU where all parts are of a whole. It makes little difference when we act as one and makes us that much more powerful. No entity is stronger than the EU.

For the rest,... result of military industry speaks for itself.
Despite French high tech edge Russian weapons are still selling much better than French.

Russians can't sell their "high tech edge" weapons without French hardware. :stinker:

Than there are atomic power stations that Russia is building, nanotechnology, petrochemical industry even shipbuilding(yes I know Mistral LoL)etc.

The only progress Russian science and engineering have made is when they partner up with Euro projects. All the guts of the SSJ are Italian with French engines. The Yak-130 is joint Italian project. Ka-226 run on Turbomecca engines. Dozor-300 will run on Austrian engine with French thermals. Su-30 requires Domacles targetting pod and French HUDs to get them to sell. T-90 requires Catherine thermals to get them to sell. Russian corvettes require French optics to get them to sell. France again had to bail out Avtovaz and teach Russians how to build a modern Lada. Russia wants Mistral so we can teach them how to build a modern ship. Russia wants FELIN so we can teach them how to make a universal soldier. Total and Dalkia have to teach them how to drill and transport LNG. Russia has to be taught everything while they teach us nothing. They sell us the energy and we sell them technology... works for us.

The only really weak Russian spot is that Russian cars suck and that Russian industry is really in bad shape be cause of decade of non investing
But nobody is hiding Russian dependence on oil and very bad shape
of industry that needs INVESTMENT like all other infrastructure...

Why does Russia not have any money when they are sitting on all that raw material wealth you were gloating about? Because they hoard it in the Soveriegn Wealth fund which the cronies only embezzle for themselves. The rest of it depreciates on the FOREX when they should be spending it to rebuild crumbling Soviet infrastructure and just maybe, some new development.

Just money must start to flaw and than things will fall in place (and you will be disappointed that things are going well in Russia when that happens!)
This crisis had just put accent on more than decade old problem but Russia will make reforms and rebuild her industry I'm sure!

Russia had plenty of money before this crises and they did NOTHING.

What goes on my nerves is that you in your comments tend to exaggerate lot.....

I exaggerate nothing, Russia is in exactly the hole I have laid out. They have all the potential in the world but a government incapable of tapping it. There is no way for Russia to heal itself without a fundamental change in the system and that is what is holding them back... Putin.

I'm much more optimist for the future of Russia than for the future of France!

Good on ya, if you ever travel to Russia you wouldn't be so optimistic.