Russia's 'made-in-China' Proton-M explodes during launch

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  1. huaxia rox

    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    Russia's 'made-in-China' Proton-M explodes during launch - English pravda.ru

    The upper stage of DM-03 Proton-M, which was installed on the booster rocket for the first time since December 2010, after the loss of three Glonass-M satellites, could not cause the accident at Baikonur space port in the morning of July 2. The incident occurred before the stage was activated. The spaceport will have to reschedule other launches due to the need to clean the area from rocket fuel contamination. However, yet another disaster in Russia's space industry may cause a serious damage to the future of space exploration.

    Click here to see the video of the crash

    "Orbital block (Block DM-03 with three Glonass-M satellites), when entering low near-Earth orbit, operates in passive mode until it is separated from the launch vehicle, when its second stage is about to complete its work. Afterwards, space vehicles are delivered to desired orbit through two activations of the main engine booster," an official message from Russian Space Corporation Energia said.

    "The accident occurred during the first seconds of the launch, while upper stage DM-03 was supposed to get activated during the 585th second," a source in the space industry told ITAR-TASS. He added that "DM-03 upper stage did not have any flight observations in its history, as it was one of the most reliable boosters."

    At the crash site of Proton-M, a 200-meter crater was formed.

    According to telemetry, during the fourth second of the flight, the rocket started showing pitch displacement. After 17 seconds, engines went off. After that, the rocket began to fall apart in the air. During the 32nd second, it fell to the ground. Main engines were working before the rocket hit the ground, enabling flight control officers to take the space vehicle from the launch pad and avoid damage on the ground. The rocket fell 1.5-2 km from the ground control center, Interfax reports.

    Specialists currently determine the extent of contamination on the crash site.

    A Proton-M rocket exploded at Baikonur spaceport on Tuesday morning. The satellite was supposed to take three GLONASS satellites into orbit. Pravda.Ru asked expert opinion from writer and journalist Vladimir Gubarev.

    "The most recent explosion is very symbolic, because the technological level has been declining, and our parliamentarians and ministries are involved in nonsensical activities, such as the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences. This is a response to their initiative. This is a general decline in the scientific and technological level of the country, and it can be clearly seen when doctors or rectors of some secondary institutions become ministers and offer to destroy all our science.

    "Imagine a group of officials who do not understand much about their work, but they sit and evaluate the work of the country's largest research institutes. In this sense, the reform, which they now try to venture into science, does not stipulate the destruction of economy as such. It goes about officials taking control of everything. This has already happened in the space industry, and unfortunately, everything that happens in the space industry is the achievement of our officials.

    "The number of all types of managers has increased ten times, the number of no-specialists has grown a hundred times. There are very few professionals. The absence of specialists at the Mission Control Center, at various meetings, at the launch site really amazes me. I can only see people who came to talk about something. The current explosion of Proton is the price that we had to pay for commerce.

    "Russia staked on commercial space launches. I do not know the details, but I have a feeling that this was a typical commercial launch. Only commerce can lead to this. What upsets me most is that we receive spare parts from abroad, from China. It is clear that they work well for themselves. What is space equipment? It's when only two or three from a hundred devices can fly into space. The rest have to go to other areas."

    "Russia is currently unable to create equipment that can work in space for a long time. We buy it from China, where they can not make such equipment either, so we get what we can witness today. We can not make satellites without spare parts from the West or from China. That's what the danger is about. Of course, there will be such accidents.

    "The infamous launch of Mars Grunt, an accident on board the Proton rocket, and then suddenly it turns out that it all happened because of a failure in the electronic computing unit, which was delivered from China, and the unit was not designed to operate in space. What kind of reform in science can we talk about?

    "What has been happening to the Russian Academy of Sciences is a great shame for our country where academicians became our enemies just because they are older. How can one destroy the intellect of the nation? The explosion of Proton, I believe, is a vivid picture, a symbol of what is happening now to our science."
     
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    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    some reference before from russia.

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    The Russian shipyard managers admit that the Vikramaditya engine problem was not the quality of the Chinese firebricks used to insulate engine components from the intense heat of the steam boilers........But after Russian ship yard engineers examined the engines they concluded it was poor workmanship and supervision, not poor design or poor materials that was at the cause of the problem.
    ......

    Procurement: Russia Copes With The Vikramaditya Disaster
     
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    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    @huaxia rox why, are you up for Liberation of China and restoring democracy :troll:?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Chinese stuff is dangerous.
     
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    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    i am just presenting an article for people to read and judge because i think this news report is so special in information and logic and happens to come from pravda which is not some average gossip site (if you also read comments of the article in the link you can know those russan readers mainly are also educated and rational to say the least).

    and by the way i am up for anything that is good for china.
     
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    sir that is why they sold it cheap.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    4th of July fireworks displays in the US use Chinese pyrotechnics and the people who put on the displays are usually Italian. What a combination :-D
     
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    Pravada is the most comical site to every visit ....and the article more hilarious
     
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    Indians blamed Chinese power equipments for their power outages.

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    Chinese telecom products are worst in the world... that took a bad copy of Cisco...
     
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    Is that why Huawei and the like are some of the most successful telecom companies out there? And isn't India a big foreign market for Chinese telecoms equipment?

    I'd like to see an Indian equivalent of the Chinese telecom giants out there some time instead of the sour grapes.

    PS. Nimo posted "Chinese power equipments", not telecommunications equipment.
     
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    bose Senior Member Senior Member

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    One of the biggest user of Chinese telecom products from Huawei etc have decided rescently to move to Alcatel... the reason are obvious...

    We look up to CISCO, ALCATEL and others for their innovation and definitly it is worth being one like them... but sadly I do not not put the Chineese in the same bracket... at least our experience with Chineese products are very bad...


    My point was on the standard & quality of Chineese products in general...
     
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    Nice to see our Chinese friends mocking the Russians.

    I wonder whether we should do a poll on whether our members would rather go to space on a Russian rocket, or a Chinese.
     
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    It was the USSR [Russia] who helped the dirt poor China build their nonexistent industry in 1950’s & 60’s and we know how China reciprocated by back stabbing them in return in their border conflict.

    One has to remember that China is a xenophobic state turned after repeated defeats from Japan in 1930’s & WW – 2, a thoroughly humiliated state that will back stab anyone the moment it thinks there is any danger to its interest. The recent issuance of warning to its smaller neighbors is a proof of its insecurity still seen after 70 odd years of ending of WW-2.
     
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    What does satellite have to do with failure of the rocket carrying it? Last time when their rocket failed they blamed US sabotage.
     
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    Actually, Russia stripped Northeastern China's manufacturing base after 1945, under the idea that since most of those were Japanese-owned (they weren't - the Japanese had simply seized them when they occupied Manchuria), they were legitimate war reparations. What aid happened in the 50s was mostly to get China back to 1931 levels of industrial output.

    Actually, that might be a better metaphor to describe the Republic of China (Taiwan), as they were the government that suffered the Japanese invasions. The CCP is much more opportunistic and (strangely enough) less nationalist than the Chinese population. And the recent issuance of warning to India is probably driven by internal dynamics within the CCP (read: trying to score domestic political points) rather than any sense of insecurity. After all, why should China, with 8 trillion in GDP, worry about India, with 3 trillion?
     
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    Cisco has been knocked out of the telecom manufacturing industry for a while, it now focuses on providing telecom related services.

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    Nice try, one unknown company switches from Huawei to Alcatel, you make it as if Huawei was falling apart.

    Do you know that Alcatel is shrinking like hell and is behind Ericsson, Huawei and Nokia, ranking the forth among the five major global competitors? The only reason Alcatel could keep that spot is because it merged with Lucent.

    If you look up to companies like that, you are doomed.

    Don't be sad, your personal experiences mean nothing compared to the recognition Huawei has received globally.

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    I certainly dont appreciate the attitude Russians are taking toward their own failures, why are they blaming others? Such attitude mostly happens to Indians, when did they pick that up from Indians?

    See, who am i mocking?

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    Indian experiences with Chineese telecom products was very very bad, one of the biggest telecom operator (name withheld) and biggest buyer of Chinese telecom products were forced to move away to Alcatel, and this is the hard fact you do not want to accept because as usual the problem with Chineese of self criticism.
     

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