Russia's Far East in the shadow rising China

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  1. Razor

    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Russia's Far East in the shadow rising China

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    Bottom-line: Russia better start developing the vast lands of the Siberian Federal District and the Far-Eastern Federal District and put some people there, coz just across the border there's a billion hungry Chinese.
     
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    Demography is the destiny.

    Historically there were a lot more Chinese in Russia Far East. Even now still many Chinese working there. In return Russians have also left their vestiges in China

    China's "Moscow"
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    Russians are not popping out enough babies to populate their core area, how the hell they are going to populate far east of the country which was thinly populated anyway.
     
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    Syria Could Unite Russia and China Against the U.S. - Bloomberg
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    By getting rid of abortion. They kill 2/3rds of all fetus.
     
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    Sino-Soviet border conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    I think it was the Treaty of Aigun (I could be wrong) which finalized the border between the Russian Empire and the Qing Empire in Russia's favor.
    Anyway, I think the concerns of Russia are real. I mean more and more products in the Russian Far-East have a Chinese flavor and more (blue-collar) jobs in the Russian Far-East are being taken over by the Chinese, which coupled with the fact that there are so few Russians in the Far-East will seem threatening.
    Also, as you said, Russian presence in Heilongjiang is more of a vestige, but that's not the case with Chinese presence in Russian Far-East.

    Also I read somewhere (don't remember where), that Mao had an eye for Siberia and always wanted to take back the parts that were ceded to the Russian Empire, and more.


    Btw, is that Harbin ?
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    The Birth rate of Russia is the same as that of the US, but the death rate is devastating.

    I think it has more to do with alcohol related deaths and crazy driving.
     
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    The Russian government could provide incentives to people to move to the Far East such as free land, monetary benefits as well as spending on infrastructure and industry in these remote regions. That's how the US and Canada were settled. If someone gave me 2-5 sq. km of land in Siberia and a well constructed house, I would be willing to move. :)
     
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    Since when is a fertility rate of 1.5 the same as 2.1? That is a huge difference. It takes 2 just for replacement.
     
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    @Razor No it's not Aigun Treaty that finalized Russo-China border. I think maybe Amur Annexation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia by Convention of Peking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for the eastern part.

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    But Mao or any others were not that fanatic of irredentism to restore borders on basis of Aigun Treaty or even earlier. More likely a negotiating position.

    The border was not completely settled down until 2008, when Russia gave back apprx. half of Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to China

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    Yes that's Harbin. But Russian traces are not limited to Heilongjiang Prov. (meaning Amur), but greatly visible in all bordering provinces, even in a small border town Manzhouli, Inner Mongolia>>
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    Ruski is officially one of 56 ethnic groups recognized.
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    One thing to be noted is that, unlike Canada almost the whole of Siberia is permafrost.

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    It can be seen in the above pic that only Alaska and northern parts of Yukon, NW Territories and Nunavut are permafrost but the whole of Siberia is one giant lump of permafrost land. I'd would imagine this makes life difficult.
     
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    I said Birth Rate, not fertility rate. The Birthrate of US and Russia is about the same.
     
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    How is a birth rate of 10.3 equal to 13.7?
     

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