Russia's Far East in the shadow rising China

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Russia's Far East in the shadow rising China

March 11, 2013 Simon Saradzhyan, RIA Novosti

For better or worse, China is still several decades of development away from claiming the mantle of the world's most powerful nation, according to Asia's wisest living statesman, Lee Kwan Yew, the founder of modern Singapore.
The Kremlin should use this "grace period" to allocate resources and introduce incentives to spur economic and demographic growth east of the Urals so that this region doesn't become what Russian political scientists describe as "a raw materials appendage" to China.
The International Monetary Fund and US National Intelligence Council are betting, respectively, that China will overtake the United States economically in 2016 and 2030.
Meanwhile, China's growing strength is causing a geopolitical realignment, with national leaders across the post-Cold War world scratching their heads over how to maximize benefits and minimize costs associated with the rise of the Middle Kingdom.
Russia's President Vladimir Putin is no exception, of course. He will have an opportunity to personally advance Russia's interests vis-à-vis Beijing when the general secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC), Xi Jinping, who is also set to become the president of China this week, visits Russia later this month.
Russia is the first country President Xi will visit. In keeping with the norm for Russian-Chinese summits, the two leaders will probably announce new bilateral economic deals and reiterate consensus on a number of international issues. This consensus reflects the current convergence of Russian and Chinese interests in counterbalancing US dominance, preserving the UN Security Council's monopoly on authorizing use of force, and preventing regime change in countries where they have vested interests.
The two nations also stand to benefit from further development of bilateral trade, which totaled $83 billion last year, making China Russia's largest trading partner.If the price is right, then Russia will be happy to help China meet its demand for gas, which is expected to quadruple by 2030, especially given that European states seek to lessen dependence on supplies from Russia's state-run energy giant Gazprom.
China is also one of the most generous clients of Russia's defense industry, whose existence is key to preserving Russia's relative self-sufficiency in armament, but also to maintaining some semblance of diversification of the national economy, which is dominated by the energy sector. However, the rise of China is not without costs for its neighbors. And these costs are bound to increase for the Kremlin not only in Russia itself, but also in the post-Soviet neighborhood, unless Russian leaders address the growing inequalities in the relationship with its economic superpower neighbor. As of 2011, China had a population of 1.344 billion and its GDP totaled $7.3 trillion, ranking second in the world, while Russia had a population of 142 million and its GDP totaled $1.86 trillion, ranking ninth in the world, according to the World Bank. If measured in terms of purchasing power, China's GDP is to exceed Russia's by a factor of five in 2013 and a factor of six in 2017, according to the IMF forecast.
Russia's political leaders are extremely careful to keep whatever reservations they have about the growing disparities with China private so as not to irritate Beijing. But sometimes they do let their worries show.Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned in August 2012 that "the Far East "¦ is located far away and, unfortunately, we don't have many people there and must protect it from the excessive expansion of people from neighboring countries."
Moscow's cautious attitude toward Beijing is also reflected in Russia's 2013 foreign policy doctrine, which calls for "a strategic partnership" with India, but for "strategic collaboration" with China. Russia's military leaders have likewise begun in recent years to hint at challenges presented by their eastern neighbor. In 2009, then chief of the Ground Forces Staff Lt. General Sergei Skokov said the following when describing the kind of warfare the national armed forces should prepare for: "If we're talking about the east, then it could be a multi-million-man army with a traditional approach to conducting combat operations: straightforward, with large concentrations of personnel and firepower along individual operational directions."
More recently, the commander of the Russian navy, Vladimir Vysotsky, warned that in the Arctic "a host of states ... are advancing their interests very intensively, in every possible way, in particular China." In response, "the ships of the Northern and Pacific fleets are continuing to increase their military presence in the Arctic zone," the admiral said in October 2010. It would be surprising if Russian generals were not planning for a possible conflict with China, which the Economist magazine forecasts to become the world's largest military spender in 20 years' time and which has been involved in 23 territorial disputes since 1949, using force in six of them (including the 1969 conflict with Soviet Russia), according to a count by MIT researcher Taylor Fravel.
But the expansion of Chinese influence in Russia's eastern provinces is unlikely to take a violent turn. After all, Russia has enough nuclear weapons to deter any nation from waging an open large-scale war. Also, thanks to Putin's personal efforts, the two countries settled outstanding territorial issues along their 3,600-km border – once described by Henry Kissinger as a "strategic nightmare" – in a 2004 agreement.Rather, China's influence in the Far East and Siberia – which some Russian scholars fear may eventually lead to a de facto loss of Russia's sovereignty over these regions – will expand incrementally and by economic means. Among the factors increasing the risk of such a development, it is the cross-border demographic and economic disparities that should be of utmost concern to the Russian leadership.
There are fewer people living in all 27 provinces that comprise Russia's Urals, Siberian and Far East federal districts than in Heilongjiang, just one of the four Chinese provinces bordering Russia. And all four of the Chinese border provinces have significantly greater population density than Russia's eastern regions. The population density in Heilongjiang, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang and Jilin is, respectively, 84, 20, 12 and 146 people per square kilometer, according to the China Internet Information Center. In comparison, Russia's 2010 national census registered a population density of 6.6, 3.7 and 1 person per square kilometer, respectively, in the Urals, Far Eastern and Siberian districts.
Neither are the economic comparisons of these border lands in Russia's favor.In 2010, the regional domestic products of Russia's three eastern federal districts totaled roughly $372 billion, compared with $538 billion worth of goods and services produced by the aforementioned four Chinese provinces over the same period of time.
While deepening its economic ties with China, Russia should also tap into the economic potential and modernization know-how of the United States, the European Union, Japan, South Korea and other powers to ensure a diversification of partnerships needed for sustainable development of its eastern provinces.
Otherwise – as Lee predicts in a recent book co-written by my colleague Graham Allison, the director of Harvard's Belfer Center – "the lands on the bend of the Amur River will be repopulated by Chinese."
Simon Saradzhyan is a researcher at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center.
Source: Russia's Far East in the shadow rising China

Bottom-line: Russia better start developing the vast lands of the Siberian Federal District and the Far-Eastern Federal District and put some people there, coz just across the border there's a billion hungry Chinese.
 

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Russia's Far East in the shadow rising China



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Bottom-line: Russia better start developing the vast lands of the Siberian Federal District and the Far-Eastern Federal District and put some people there, coz just across the border there's a billion hungry Chinese.
Demography is the destiny.

Historically there were a lot more Chinese in Russia Far East. Even now still many Chinese working there. In return Russians have also left their vestiges in China

China's "Moscow"
 

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Russians are not popping out enough babies to populate their core area, how the hell they are going to populate far east of the country which was thinly populated anyway.
 

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Syria Could Unite Russia and China Against the U.S. - Bloomberg
A U.S.-backed military intervention would lead to a deep rupture with the leadership in Moscow. Russia wouldn't try to stand in the way militarily, but it might well be driven to forge a stronger strategic partnership with China, which also opposes foreign military interventions in the Middle East and has joined Russia in vetoing UN Security Council resolutions on Syria.
 

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Russians are not popping out enough babies to populate their core area, how the hell they are going to populate far east of the country which was thinly populated anyway.
By getting rid of abortion. They kill 2/3rds of all fetus.
 

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Sino-Soviet border conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sino-Soviet border conflict (中苏边界冲突) was a seven-month military conflict between the Soviet Union and China at the height of the Sino-Soviet split in 1969. The most serious of these border clashes occurred in March 1969 in the vicinity of Zhenbao Island (珍宝岛) on the Ussuri River, also known as Damanskii Island (Остров Даманский) in Russia. Chinese historians most commonly refer to the conflict by the Zhenbao Island incident (珍宝岛自卫反击战) [3] The conflict was finally resolved with future border demarcations.
 

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Demography is the destiny.

Historically there were a lot more Chinese in Russia Far East. Even now still many Chinese working there. In return Russians have also left their vestiges in China
I think it was the Treaty of Aigun (I could be wrong) which finalized the border between the Russian Empire and the Qing Empire in Russia's favor.
Anyway, I think the concerns of Russia are real. I mean more and more products in the Russian Far-East have a Chinese flavor and more (blue-collar) jobs in the Russian Far-East are being taken over by the Chinese, which coupled with the fact that there are so few Russians in the Far-East will seem threatening.
Also, as you said, Russian presence in Heilongjiang is more of a vestige, but that's not the case with Chinese presence in Russian Far-East.

Also I read somewhere (don't remember where), that Mao had an eye for Siberia and always wanted to take back the parts that were ceded to the Russian Empire, and more.


China's "Moscow"
Btw, is that Harbin ?
 

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Russians are not popping out enough babies to populate their core area, how the hell they are going to populate far east of the country which was thinly populated anyway.
The Birth rate of Russia is the same as that of the US, but the death rate is devastating.

By getting rid of abortion. They kill 2/3rds of all fetus.
I think it has more to do with alcohol related deaths and crazy driving.
 

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The Russian government could provide incentives to people to move to the Far East such as free land, monetary benefits as well as spending on infrastructure and industry in these remote regions. That's how the US and Canada were settled. If someone gave me 2-5 sq. km of land in Siberia and a well constructed house, I would be willing to move. :)
 

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The Birth rate of Russia is the same as that of the US, but the death rate is devastating.

I think it has more to do with alcohol related deaths and crazy driving.
Since when is a fertility rate of 1.5 the same as 2.1? That is a huge difference. It takes 2 just for replacement.
 

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@Razor No it's not Aigun Treaty that finalized Russo-China border. I think maybe Amur Annexation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia by Convention of Peking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for the eastern part.



But Mao or any others were not that fanatic of irredentism to restore borders on basis of Aigun Treaty or even earlier. More likely a negotiating position.

The border was not completely settled down until 2008, when Russia gave back apprx. half of Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to China

The Island


Yes that's Harbin. But Russian traces are not limited to Heilongjiang Prov. (meaning Amur), but greatly visible in all bordering provinces, even in a small border town Manzhouli, Inner Mongolia>>


Ruski is officially one of 56 ethnic groups recognized.
 
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The Russian government could provide incentives to people to move to the Far East such as free land, monetary benefits as well as spending on infrastructure and industry in these remote regions. That's how the US and Canada were settled. If someone gave me 2-5 sq. km of land in Siberia and a well constructed house, I would be willing to move. :)

One thing to be noted is that, unlike Canada almost the whole of Siberia is permafrost.



It can be seen in the above pic that only Alaska and northern parts of Yukon, NW Territories and Nunavut are permafrost but the whole of Siberia is one giant lump of permafrost land. I'd would imagine this makes life difficult.
 

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Since when is a fertility rate of 1.5 the same as 2.1? That is a huge difference. It takes 2 just for replacement.
I said Birth Rate, not fertility rate. The Birthrate of US and Russia is about the same.
 

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