Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

pmaitra

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Hezbullah fighting against the ISIS..so what
Hezbollah is fighitng against ISIS and that makes them good guys. Israel is helping the ISIS, so that makes them the bad guys. Simple as that. The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
Hezbullah fighting against the Israeli's, that's why Israel strikes back Hezbullah
That doesn't explain why Israel has been attacking Syrian bases, at places and times when Syria is in a fight against ISIS and al-Qaida, with no Hezbollah-vs-Israel fight in sight. The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
You never heard, Syrian Surface to air missiles was destroyed by IDF when they were transported to Hezbullah
What is your point? IDF aircraft flying in the air can be for many reasons, including, assisting ISIS or Daesh, which they have been doing. The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
I'm taking about weapons who pose major threat to civilians outside from border
Pose a threat to civilians, so what? You have supported killing of civilians in Donbass. Why sing a differnet song here?
Yep in Gaza, they Bombing Sunni Terrorists, and in Syria They bombing Shia terrorists
IDF is killing civilians and combatants and Hamas and Hezbollah are also killing civilians and combatants. Both are terrorists.
well done, from Air to air missiles into 30mm cannon ..Good going keep it up
Everybody saw those 30 mm holes.
I'm again saying IDF never claim any fake identities, If they said No means no, if yes means Yes
I am saying again, I don't believe IDF. They have hidden the truth in the past to appear macho.
you believe it or not, Israel is the most powerful nation in Middle east,
Did I say Israel is the weakest nation in the Middle East? The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
 
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White House Warns Against Russian Military Action Against ISIS
  • White House relies on the rumor mill to warn Russia off of something Moscow has no intent of doing anyway
  • US says Russian intervention would be 'destabilizing' - presumably unlike the ongoing US intervention in Syria
Daniel McAdams | (Ron Paul Institute) | Russia Insider


Big on non-interventionism when it's not US interventionism

This article originally appeared at Ron Paul Institute

Today's lesson in how propaganda works: The rumor mill turns a trickle of a story early this week about “thousands” of Russian soldiers deploying to Syria any day – a wholly unsourced story originating on an Israeli website – into a torrent of hyperventilating about the “Russian invasion” of Syria.

Today neocon convicted felon Eliot Abrams took to the Council on Foreign Relations website to amplify the Israeli article (again with no sources or evidence) to a whole new and more dramatic article ominously titled “Putin in Syria.”

Abrams adds “reporting” by Michael Weiss, who has long been on the payroll of viscerally anti-Putin oligarch Michael Khodorkovsky, without revealing the obvious bias in the source. Never mind, all Weiss adds to Abrams' argument is that the Pentagon is “cagey” about discussing Russian involvement in Syria before again referencing the original (unsourced) Israeli article.

See how this works? Multiple media outlets report based on the same totally unsourced article and suddenly all the world's writing about the Russian invasion of Syria.

Now the White House has gotten into the game. According to an article by Agence France Press, the White House is “monitoring reports” that the Russians are active in Syria.

What reports? The article does not say nor does the White House. Presumably the White House is referring back to the original (unsourced) Israeli article.

But in the category of never let a good “crisis” go to waste, the White House, which began bombing Syria last August in violation of both international and US law, has declared that any Russian involvement in the Syria crisis would be “destabilizing and counterproductive.”

Apparently a year of US bombs is not “destabilizing.”

This is where the hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The US is illegally bombing Syria, illegally violating Syrian sovereignty, illegally training and equipping foreign fighters to overthrow the Syrian government, and has backed radical jihadists through covert and overt programs.

ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria were solely the products of the 2003 US invasion of Iraq under false pretenses – the lies of the neocons – and after a year of US bombing ISIS seems as strong as ever while scores of civilians are killed by US attacks.

All of this is perfectly fine and should never be questioned. But even the hint that the Russians, who have had to contend with their fair share of radical Islam and are much closer to Syria than the US, may have an interest in joining the fight against ISIS is met with hysterical reproaches by a White House that admits it has no evidence.

What is the White House afraid of? While the stated goal of the Obama Administration is to defeat ISIS, the real, long-term goal is to overthrow Assad. The Russians disagree with the US insistence that Assad's departure must be the starting point of any political settlement of the crisis. The Russians have long ago come to understand that Assad may be key to saving Syria from the kind of jihadist chaos that has engulfed Libya after its “liberation” by the US and its allies.

That is why the US government is flirting with the (unsourced Israeli) rumors of a massive Russian invasion of Syria. Regurgitated cries that the Russians are coming may serve to divert attention from another failed US intervention in the region.

One might think that if the US was serious about defeating ISIS it would welcome involvement from Russia and Iran, both of which would like nothing more than to see the back of the Islamic State. One might think if the US was serious about defeating ISIS it would rethink its “Assad must go” policy and allow the one force that has the most incentive to defeat ISIS – the Syrian Arab Army.

Yet the US will only work with the same states that have trained, funded, and turned a blind eye to the radical Islamic fighters as they have poured into Syria over the past four years – Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, etc.


Conspiracy-minded people must be wondering why the US is so reluctant to accept assistance from forces that so earnestly and with such military capacity seek the end of ISIS while partnering with those forces that have done so much to create ISIS.
 

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Hezbollah is fighitng against ISIS and that makes them good guys. Israel is helping the ISIS, so that makes them the bad guys. Simple as that. The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
oh They helping Assad to keep in power, and they continue their Shia terrorism,
did you heard Lebanon too kills Hezbullah.


That doesn't explain why Israel has been attacking Syrian bases, at places and times when Syria is in a fight against ISIS and al-Qaida, with no Hezbollah-vs-Israel fight in sight. The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.


Then cry a river

What is your point? IDF aircraft flying in the air can be for many reasons, including, assisting ISIS or Daesh, which they have been doing. The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
are you a shia muslim ..!!

Pose a threat to civilians, so what? You have supported killing of civilians in Donbass. Why sing a differnet song here?
who is started fight in Ukraine, who is invaded Ukraine

IDF is killing civilians and combatants and Hamas and Hezbollah are also killing civilians and combatants. Both are terrorists.
Very good..Indian Army too ...!! can you spell the same

Everybody saw those 30 mm holes.
everybody ..shall we have a poll about how many IDF members saw 30 mm bullet scratch in MH 17

On 25 July, the liberal Russian opposition newspaper Novaya Gazeta published a bold headline in Dutch that read "Vergeef ons, Nederland" ("Forgive Us, Netherlands")

I Sure..you say it's a western funded newspaper

I am saying again, I don't believe IDF. They have hidden the truth in the past to appear macho.
once someone starts believing RT and Sputnik, they will not believe the truths

Did I say Israel is the weakest nation in the Middle East? The point is, Israel is helping ISIS.
--- This is an old strategy so as to appear strong to its enemies. ---

this is what you said in last post ..!!
 

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oh They helping Assad to keep in power, and they continue their Shia terrorism,
did you heard Lebanon too kills Hezbullah.
Lebanon
Shia

Blah blah blah

Israel is helping ISIS.

That is the pertinent point. Everything else is a desperate attempt by you to add deflection.
Then cry a river
The meme was "Crimea river."
are you a shia muslim ..!!
Are you a Wahhabi?
Are you a Nazi?
See, I can also write tripe.
who is started fight in Ukraine, who is invaded Ukraine
Read the Ukraine thread. Already answered. It is NATO backed Ukro-Nazis.
Very good..Indian Army too ...!! can you spell the same
Indian Army too what?
everybody ..shall we have a poll about how many IDF members saw 30 mm bullet scratch in MH 17
Nobody saw bullet scratch.
Everybody saw bullet holes.
On 25 July, the liberal Russian opposition newspaper Novaya Gazeta published a bold headline in Dutch that read "Vergeef ons, Nederland" ("Forgive Us, Netherlands")

I Sure..you say it's a western funded newspaper
And this proves what? There were no 30 mm bullet holes? :lol:

Try news media that are not retarded like Novaya Gazeta, Kommersant, Guardian, BBC, and NYT.

Try RT, that is much more scientific and objective.


A simple Google search gives this.

once someone starts believing RT and Sputnik, they will not believe the truths
Yep, look above, but I see no cure for you.

--- This is an old strategy so as to appear strong to its enemies. ---

this is what you said in last post ..!!
Yeah, that applies to Israel, not to Russia.
 

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okay ..enjoy living in delusion

I don't want to disturb you
 

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This is a good development. It is about time someone put a check on the Israelis secretly helping out the ISIS each time the Syrians come close to defeating them in a battle. I hope part of this deployment also includes S-300 missiles operated by Russians. Israeli planes will be within range the moment they take off from Tel-Aviv.
if the russains were serious enough they will put the more advanced s350. which incorprates some s400 tech too. the s350 was pitched to south korea but they opted for a US system instead. i find russia more of a peacekeeper. the us is too blood thirsty.
 

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if the russains were serious enough they will put the more advanced s350. which incorprates some s400 tech too. the s350 was pitched to south korea but they opted for a US system instead. i find russia more of a peacekeeper. the us is too blood thirsty.

S 350 is a Short Range SAM system, currently in use by Russia only ..even less numbers ..They keep going for more Tor M and S 400
 

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S 350 is a Short Range SAM system, currently in use by Russia only ..even less numbers ..They keep going for more Tor M and S 400
the s350 is mid range with a 120km range it sort of the successor to the tor m the s350 incorporates tech from the s400 , but they have different jobs the s400 is more of a long range sam system. a huge amount of countries are lining up for them
 

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more /.... 300 Russian Soldiers deployed in Syrian Latakia Port

your very pro Israeli whch i dont have a problem with. but do you not think that Israel's foreign policies are malicious?. there are supporting rebels to the south of syria so isreal can drill for oil there near the golan heights.
 

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the s350 is mid range with a 120km range it sort of the successor to the tor m the s350 incorporates tech from the s400 , but they have different jobs the s400 is more of a long range sam system. a huge amount of countries are lining up for them
Please refer this thread for S 350

Vityaz components are mounted on 8x8 all-terrain trucks or similar vehicles. The weapon system is designed to engage a wide spectrum of threats at ranges of up to 40 kilometers
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/the-vityaz-s-300-mr-sam.52048/
 

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your very pro Israeli whch i dont have a problem with. but do you not think that Israel's foreign policies are malicious?. there are supporting rebels to the south of syria so isreal can drill for oil there near the golan heights.
So far Israel never supported any Proxies or Rebel groups.
 

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So far Israel never supported any Proxies or Rebel groups.
if you say so, there are even youtube videos of vice news showing Syrian rebels being treated by Israel. check it on you tube its there also there are plenty of other sources that too indicate isreal's policy towards rebels groups and terrorists. a quick search query will prove it too.

anyhow back to topic if russia is in syria, which it is then it will be more difficult for countries such as the us, france and the uk to do airstrikes in Syria as russia will be doing it. this increase russia's role in world affairs.
 

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Question is why Russia deployed now ? why not earlier? :confused1:
 

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From the CNN video above:

". . . what the intelligence community is saying is the Russians are actually reinforcing the Assad regime, uh, which could be extremely complicating our efforts in our fight against ISIS . . ."
- Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling (Retd.)​

Yeah right. Helping one who has been fighting ISIS for that past one year could complicate the US efforts against ISIS.
 

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Looks like reports of Russia supplying S-300 to Syria are true.

 

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