Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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  1. afako

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    Indian-origin jihadi fighters have been found fighting along with the rebels in the raging civil war in Syria. "This is one of the reasons why we think India should play a more pro-active role, because this expanding conflict will not leave anyone untouched," said Bouthaini Shabaan, political adviser to Syrian President Bashar-al-Assad, in a conversation with TOI. She quoted UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi as saying that there were almost 38 nationalities of fighters in war-torn Syria.

    Shabaan is in India as a special envoy of Assad, to convey a message from him to PM Manmohan Singh. Syria wants India to take a lead role at the forthcoming BRICS summit, and "support" Russia and China in their stand on the conflict. Both P-5 countries have vetoed UN Security Council resolutions against Syrian regime. Shabaan met foreign minister Salman Khurshid and national security adviser (NSA) Shivshankar Menon.

    MEA spokesperson said, "India reiterated deep concern on the security situation in Syria and the continued escalation in violence. We also expressed our concern about the plight of the people of Syria arising out of intense fighting and conflict. India urged the need for peaceful resolution of the crisis with participation of all parties taking into account the legitimate aspirations of all Syrians for which the Geneva Communique which includes the 6-Point Plan of Kofi Annan provides a good basis."

    Many of the Indian fighters found in Syria are coming in from the UK, she said. Shabaan said the western narrative on the Syrian conflict was incorrect, and the war within Syria was actually being fuelled by Turkey and Qatar, with some help from Saudi Arabia.


    "Turkey wants to spread the Muslim Brotherhood all over the region," she alleged. The US, she argued, wanted to break up the region by fomenting conflicts along sectarian and ethnic lines, which could destabilize West Asia for long time to come.

    "We don't want this to become a sectarian conflict," she added. She said she had told foreign minister Salman Khurshid that India should be wary of countries funding mosques here since Damascus was living with the consequences of such action.


    'Indian-origin jihadis' fighting in Syria against Assad regime - The Times of India

    [edited] from India will bring another bunch of [edited] when they will wage Jihad against Kuffar India.

    MOD Edit: A certain term has been removed.
     
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  3. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Along with Pakistan, Britain should be on a terror-source watch list. Moreover, I'd like to see a more rigid anti-Islamist stand on the part of the British government. It has been widely reported that British Jihadis were flocking to Syria.
     
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    Bluff from the Syrian side. Syria has been trying to get Indian involvement in Syria and wants to play this card to bait India in.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    Syria now reminds me of the Spanish Civil War.

    Foreign involvement in the Spanish Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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    I doubt they are Indian Muslims from UK. They might be Pakistan who pretend to be Indians.

    If they were Indian Muslims, they have to go to paki mosque for prayers,as there is no Indian mosque in UK. and paki control mosque are notorious for brainwashing ..
     
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    GPM Tihar Jail Banned

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    @Yusuf

    It might be a bluff, or may not be a bluff. Is it so far fetched to imagine that some Indians might be involved in Syrian civil war?
     
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    It is far fetched for me. We didn't see any Indian Muslim involvement in any other war. Did we see in Balkans? In Chechnya? But yes Pakis have been all over the place and can pass off as Indians.
     
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    They are Indian origin Muslims from the UK.

    If indeed they have been indoctrinated, it has nothing connected to India and instead it is the fundamentalism that is rife in Great Britain because of their cockeyed policy of encouraging all malcontents around the world a safe haven!
     
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    GPM Tihar Jail Banned

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    You are saying that none of the resident muslims is not indoctrinated.
     
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    Syria conflict is a very serious Shia Sunni Conflict
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    The Minority shias will be removed from power by the Majority Sunnis
    No matter what is the cost

    After Iraq being LOST by the Sunnis to the Shias ie the after
    the death of Saddam ; Syria is the perfect place for revenge
     
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    All the more reason why India should keep clear of intra-islamic conflicts.
     
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    Interestingly I lived in UK for more than 6 yrs,and worked in a bank in NRI banking , I have not met single Indian Muslim . Which proves that they might be pakis fighting in Syria pretending to be Indians
     
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    One thing i woild like 2 add is that desperate poor Indian Muslims frm GCC countries may also be attracted towards Syrian Shia-Sunni Jihad n not only frm U.K. or London........
    Its not a secret thing as all illegal activities such as Hawala....money laundering, Gold-Smuggling, Narco-Drug terrorism n Jihadi funding against India happens frm GCC-gulf countries.....
     
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    It is possible that maybe a few could be Indians, and it is also possible that there could be a few Muhajirs claiming to be of Indian origin.
     
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    BTW just came in my mind .

    They are not Indian because India does not allow dual citizenship they are brits of pak origin
     
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    US Cancels Russian Helicopter Buy Amid Syria Standoff – Senator


    The United States has scrapped plans to purchase additional helicopters from state-run Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport amid pressure from federal lawmakers over Russian arms deliveries to Syria, a top US senator said Wednesday.

    “I applaud the [US] Defense Department’s decision to cancel its plan to buy 15 additional Mi-17 helicopters from Rosoboronexport,” US Sen. John Cornyn said in statement, The Associated Press (AP) reported.

    Cornyn, a Republican from Texas, has been leading a push in Congress to oppose the Pentagon’s purchase of Russian helicopters for deployment in Afghanistan due to Moscow’s weapons shipments to the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad as his forces battle rebel groups in a fierce civil war.

    Russia has insisted that it is fulfilling existing contracts with Syria, and that the deliveries are legal under international law. Moscow has also questioned the composition and goals of the various armed groups fighting the Assad regime.

    A Pentagon spokesperson confirmed to RIA Novosti on Wednesday that the United States does not have plans to purchase additional Mi-17s from Rosoboronexport beyond previous orders.

    US defense officials had requested Congressional funds for next year "to provide additional enhancements for the Afghan National Security Forces" but have since "re-evaluated requirements in consultation with Congress," the spokesperson said.

    The 15 Russian-built Mi-17s were slated to be purchased by the Pentagon next year for $345 million and then given to Afghan national security forces, the AP reported.

    “Doing business with the supplier of these helicopters has been a morally bankrupt policy, and as a nation, we should no longer be subsidizing Assad’s war crimes in Syria,” Cornyn said in the statement cited by the AP.

    The United States has purchased a total of 63 Mi-17V-5 military transport helicopters from Russia for use by the Afghan National Army.

    The United States and several other countries accuse Assad’s government of being behind an August 21 chemical weapons attack outside Damascus that Washington claims left more than 1,400 dead.

    The Syrian government in turn has accused rebel groups it has been battling since March 2011 of being behind the attack, though it agreed to a Russia-brokered deal to destroy its chemical weapons arsenal.

    The deal was struck amid threats by Washington that it would carry out military strikes against Syrian government targets in response to the Aug. 21 attack.

    US Cancels Russian Helicopter Buy Amid Syria Standoff – Senator | World | RIA Novosti
     
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    But the CIA, in partnership with totalitarian Saudi princes should "subsidize" rebel group's massacres of Syrian Minorities including Christian groups?

    How did he resist the urge to retch while spewing that blatant, two-faced, hypocritical geopolitical bullshit?

    The Russians, at the very least are dealing with the legitimate government of Syria!!

    There is no legitimacy, on the other hand, in funding and TRAINING a dysfunctional, fragmented and Al Qaeda infiltrated Syrian rebel force - or "opposition" as CNN call them - which is responsible for equally great war crimes, INCLUDING chemical weapons.

    How does the AP, which reported this not challenge some of this all-too-obvious bullsh*t?

    Adversarial journalism has been completely replaced by the "free"-corporate media; iwhich just furthers western government's geopolitical agendas, instead of keeping govt in check.

    At least I, and the whole Chinese population knows when Xinhua and the like are obviously bullsh*tting us.
     
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    Sooo....what about those helicopters?
     
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    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-deploying-air-force-contingent-to-syria/

    JERUSALEM—Russia has begun to deploy an air force contingent to Syria in order to undertake air attacks against the Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS or ISIL) and other Islamic groups battling the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, according to the Israeli news site, Ynet.

    Citing western diplomatic sources, Ynet reported Tuesday that an advance Russian party has already arrived in Syria and will be followed in the coming weeks by thousands of military personnel, including members of an “aerial protection division.” This presumably is a force to protect the air contingent, which is to include fighter jets and attack helicopters, from ground attack. The Russians will reportedly be making use of an existing Syrian air force base in the Damascus area.

    The report was written by the news site’s military correspondent, Alex Fishman, who has a reputation for reliability.

    The United States and allies began air strikes against IS a year ago. Last month American warplanes, which had been launching from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf and from Gulf states, began operating from an airbase in Turkey. Should the report of direct Russian intervention prove true, coordination between the Russians and Americans would be mandatory. Until now, wrote Fishman, there has been no reaction from Washington to the Russian move although the Obama administration is well aware of it.

    “The Russians do not harbor offensive intentions towards Israel or other sovereign states in the area,” he wrote. “Their main stated goal is batting ISIS and preserving Assad’s rule.” Moscow fears the spread of the Islamic State’s influence in the former Islamic Soviet Republics unless it is stopped in the Middle East. For Iran too, halting the group’s advance is its most important immediate aim—important enough to permit cooperation with the ‘Big Satan”, Washington.

    Although Israel has not undertaken direct strikes against the Assad regime aimed at unseating it, it has periodically launched air strikes against missiles and other advanced armaments being transshipped through Syria by Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon. This, theoretically at least, raises the possibility of Russian and Israeli aircraft coming into contact unless an accommodation between them is reached beforehand. During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, a number of Soviet lives were lost during Israeli raids in Damascus and Syrian ports. The two countries did not have diplomatic relations at the time. There are at present sound diplomatic relations between them.

    The Russian air effort will be focused on Islamic targets in Syria. It is not clear whether the aircraft will operate over Iraq. The reported visit to Moscow last month of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, commander of the al-Quds force, which operates outside Iranian territory, is believed to have included talks about Russian air intervention in Syria.

    Informal coordination is also underway between the United States and Iran over the battle against IS in Iraq. Washington regards Iran as a central player in the struggle against the radical Islamic group.

    The Ynet report said the Russians will also operate against “rebel-aligned targets” within Syria. Although all nations active in Syria and Iraq oppose IS, many support rebel groups, including the United States and other Western and Arab states. This would be a potentially explosive issue if not headed off quickly.

    While Iran and Russia are interested in preserving Assad in place, each for its own reasons, most nations attacking IS are opposed to the Damascus regime. It is seen as responsible for the Syrian civil war, which has led to more than 200,000 deaths and the uprooting of millions. Throughout this period, the Russians have sent a vessel to Syria every week carrying military supplies and Tehran has been airlifting military supplies to Damascus airport. Arab media reports that the Russians are planning to double their shipments. However, with the Syrian army losing key ground to rebel forces and losing personnel through desertion and in battle it is questionable if these efforts will succeed in propping up the regime.
     

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