Russia will supply Su-24M2 to Argentina

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  1. IBSA

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    Falklands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina

    DEFENCES on the Falklands are being reviewed after it emerged Russia plans to offer Argentina long-range bombers.

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    Falkland Islands launches defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina


    The aircraft, which Moscow will swap for beef and wheat, would be able to mount air patrols over Port Stanley.

    Ministry of Defence officials fear Buenos Aires would take delivery of the planes well before the deployment in 2020 of the Navy’s 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth and its F-35B fighters, leaving a “real window of vulnerability”.

    Defence cuts have left the Falklands with just four RAF Typhoon fighters, Rapier surface-to-air missiles and fewer than 1,200 troops, supported by a naval warship that visits throughout the year.

    President Putin’s visit to Argentina in July laid the groundwork for exchanging Russian military hardware for wheat, beef and other goods Moscow needs due to EU food embargoes.

    The deal involves a lease/lend of 12 Sukhoi Su-24 supersonic, all-weather attack aircraft.

    They are ageing but Nato still regards what it codenames “Fencers” as “super-fighters”, with their 2,000-mile range and laser-guided missiles.

    Russia has been increasing its links with Argentina since 2010, when it provided two Mi17 assault helicopters which are in service with the 7th Air Force Brigade.

    Buenos Aires needs to replace its decrepit fighter fleet but its attempts over the past two years have failed so far.

    In October, defence minister Agustin Rossi announced the purchase of 24 Saab Gripen fighters, which were to be provided by Brazil, which has just purchased 36, but Whitehall squashed the deal as some of the jet’s parts are made in the UK Tensions over the islands resurfaced after exploratory seabed drilling revealed the promise of an oil bonanza.

    Last night Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, of the UK National Defence Association, said: “The Ministry of Defence should be worried.

    "It always trots out the mantra of reviewing force levels but the only real solution is to deploy a sizeable force of Typhoons, at least a squadron, to buy us time to formulate a proper reinforcement package.”

    A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: “We regularly review force levels around the world, though we wouldn’t comment on the detail of this for obvious reasons.”

    Falkland Islands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina | UK | News | Daily Express
     
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    If this is true, military situation in Malvinas will change. With these planes Argentineans can fly till the islands and back to land without stoppages
     
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    I think that this is precursor to a larger engagement and military co operation between Russia and Argentina and south america as a whole .
     
  5. amoy

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    Su24 in exchange for beef and wheat? What a deal? Is Russia really in such a dire need? :rofl:
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    Report: Russia May Supply Su-24 Aircraft To Argentina In Exchange For Food

    WARSAW and LONDON — Russia and Argentina are eyeing a deal under which Moscow would lease 12 Sukhoi Su-24 Fencer aircraft to Buenos Aires in return for beef and wheat, the London-based paper Sunday Express has claimed.

    As a result, the British Defence Ministry has reportedly launched a review of the air defenses of the Falkland Islands.

    In a statement, the MoD said it regularly reviews the military situation around the south Atlantic islands and would adjust force levels on the Falklands to meet any new threat posed by Argentina.

    "The MoD undertakes regular assessments of potential military threats to the Falkland Islands to ensure that we retain an appropriate level of defensive capability to address any threats. We continue to remain vigilant and committed to the protection of the Falkland Islanders," it said.

    The UK and Argentina, who call the islands the Malivinas, were involved in a short but bloody war in 1982 over ownership of the disputed islands in the South Atlantic.

    The dispute has been given new life in recent years by Argentinean President Cristina Kirchener making reclaiming the islands a central plank of her policy.

    British analysts said Argentina's acquisition of a credible combat jet force could significantly tilt the strategic balance in favor of Buenos Aires, unless London reinforces the Falklands.

    The Falklands are protected by four Royal Air Force Typhoon jets, Rapier surface-to-air missiles, and fewer than 1,200 troops, supported by a warship.

    Doug Barrie, the senior air analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London and an expert on Russian aircraft and weapons, said that even with only four Typhoons, the British would come off better in any fight with a squadron's worth of the Su-24.

    "I'd back four Typhoons every day of the week against the threat posed by the 1960/1970s technology of the Russian jet," he said.

    The Su-24MK is a twin-engine, all-weather land and maritime attack aircraft with a flight range of 2,775 kilometers, according to data from Sukhoi.

    Barrie said just how effective the Su-24 would be in the hands of the Argentine Air Force depended on the weapons package that came as part of any deal with the Russians.

    "The Su-24 is not what Argentina needs. They have competent crews but they need a multi-role platform not a single-role air-to-surface aircraft, which is expensive to fly and expensive to maintain," he said.

    Argentine press reports said Defence Minister Agustin Rossi has denied there is any new defense deal with Russia for fighter jets.

    The Argentine Air Force is known to be in the market for a fighter jet to replace the obsolete fleet of Skyhawk and Mirage III aircraft it has operated for several decades.

    The possible sale of second-hand Mirage 2000 and Kfir aircraft have been discussed.

    Most recently a possible sale of Saab Gripen aircraft was raised by Argentina, but any possibility of that deal taking off was rapidly scotched by the British government.

    British companies supply about 30 percent of the new Gripen NG model and London said it would block any move to sell the advanced Swedish jet to Argentina.

    Russian jets or the Chinese FC-1/JF-17 are often touted as potential platforms for the Argentine Air Force.

    The hard-up Argentine government won parliamentary approval recently for an economic and investment deal with China.

    In 2010, Moscow and Buenos Aires signed a deal under which Russia delivered two Mil Mi-17 helicopters to the country's Air Force, marking Argentina's first purchase of Russian military hardware.

    This month, the two sides also struck a deal for Moscow to provide four second-hand tug/supply ships to the Armada Argentina.

    In July, Russian President Vladimir Putin paid an official visit to Argentina, possibly paving the way for the deal.

    Imports of Argentinian food and goods are viewed as an attempt to bypass Western sanctions imposed on Russia following the country's intervention in Ukraine and its annexation of the Crimean peninsula.
     
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    China also wanted a barter deal with Thailand. What's wrong wit it? Rice for Train scheme. Though that MoU was cancelled by Thailand. Was China under such dire need?
     
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    New Thai PM, who took over the regime by coup, resumes the deal without any barter. Thailand, China sign railway deal | Bangkok Post: news


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    Thai PM and his wife were impressed by Chinese railway
     
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    But, can you deny earlier MoU was signed with Barter? Were you desperate then when you signed the MoU with Barter of 'Rice for Train'?
     
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    That was deviating from standard operating procedures, unfair for both sides. Hence reset back on track.

    Rail is rail -
    Rice is rice -
     
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    I am not interested in all the mambo-jumbo, did you or did you not sign the MoU. Were you desperate then to sign it? Yes or No? If yes why? if No how would you classify Russia to be so based on that.
     
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    You don't realise in what situation is Argentina, they are paying in beef and wheat because it is the only thing left in the country.

    This kind of news saddens me and remember me the Gothic line and Malvinas war italian veteran that i met when i lived in Argentina. Each time in dire times argentina divert attention to the Malvinas, the same in the 80s, d the english were thinking of disposing the island themselves before the genius argentinian move.
     
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    It's no secret what Argentina is in >>>>>>> How Argentina’s Default May Trigger $29 Billion in Claims - Businessweek
     
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    Next time Russian soldiers will parade in Red Square with a huge banner, "We'll fight your wars for ham!" :rofl:
     
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    This is not so funny it means deals can be done even when nations don't have the money.
     
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    No doubt barters can still be done between countries, that is 2 needy countries...
     
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    Who else is like Argentina? She has had economic crisis and debt default / restructuring twice (or thrice) in the 21st century?

    That being said keeping the pressure on UK in pas de deux over Malvinas is good.

    In post #4 also stated is -
     
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