Russia to replace AK with FAMAS?

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  1. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    What does Serdyukov think about Russian Weapons?

    In late 2010 the State Duma passed the so-called "Government Hour", during which the deputies spoke, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. Defense Minister behind closed doors told on the progress made in the country's military reforms of the personnel and social issues in the armed forces. Among other things the meeting discussed the participation of domestic and small arms. In particular the Defence Minister said that such a legendary weapon, as Kalashnikov assault rifles and Dragunov sniper rifle (SVD) is outdated. Therefore, in the near future, Russia will buy not only the helicopter and UAV's, but arms and light weapons - sniper and assault rifles.

    The Minister quite creatively discussed with members of the program procurement of armaments. For these purposes from the budget will be allocated large sums of money - about 20 trillion. rub. Already, the basic directions along which will be made massive purchases of equipment. So expect a major update anti-aircraft and purchase of modern means of communication, including individual, to ensure that their military units of permanent combat readiness.

    But the main event of speech, of course, remained the alleged "resignation" of the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifles, which, according to a large number of military experts, are the best in all of its qualities assault rifle in the world.

    How telling then one of the deputies to the media: "The foreign samples of small arms on their performance characteristics are much greater than ours. Kalashnikov was in the last century. All of these, including automata new 100-series, not able to conduct aimed fire bursts. In combat conditions, professionals are forced to fire single shots. In addition, foreign weapons easier to handle, easier and often cheaper than domestic counterparts. That such information that's made for himself a deputy, having heard of Anatoly Serdyukov.

    From this statement we can conclude that not the MP, nor the one on whose word he refers to say the least, lack of expertise in this matter.

    If we talk about the sighting fire bursts, he specially trained soldiers still in the Soviet Army, and it was from the same AK. If the words minister to understand the high scatter of bullets for this kind of shooting, it is one of the main problems of all assault rifles in the world.

    So, for example, combat infantryman instructions for NATO countries indicate that the fire from assault weapons at ranges exceeding 50 meters ineffective. That is why serious distances prescribed by the arrow to quick fire single shots.

    Indeed, most sniper rifles are designed to maintain a single lamp, while no one believes them on this basis, out of date.

    Peter Kokalis one of America's leading experts in the field of weapons, after read the AK 100 series, said that the weapons are not inferior to the accuracy of fire assault rifle, M-16, surpassing her in all the other technical characteristics (it was about machines on the standard NATO cartridge 223 Rem).

    But the accuracy of the fire is not everything. Very important are the reliability of weapons, ease of maintenance, its maintainability, and manufacturability, namely on the number of indicators and Kalashnikovs are unmatched. What good is a rifle, which provides excellent accuracy at the firing range, but on the battlefield may fail. That is exactly what happened to the modern British rifles, which were massively out of service, being not only in dusty Afghanistan and Iraq, but even in Kosovo.

    There are cases when the British and U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq have used the Egyptian, Chinese or Iraqi AK, which is far less reliable than those produced in Russia. If you talk about mercenaries or PMCs fighters, those polls use a Kalashnikov. It is noteworthy that even the new Georgian army, whose soldiers are so fond of posing with the M-4, for the conduct of hostilities prefer the AK, which the soldiers of the Georgian army and invaded Tskhinvali, while the American M-4 carbines and left in warehouses and in the armory.

    Indeed, the pattern of domestic Kalashnikov assault rifle turned over 50 years, but it is worth taking into account the fact that during all this time, no major revolutions in the development of small arms has not happened, and, consequently, all the talk about the old-fashioned machine groundless.

    In addition, there is a relevant question. Relative to what is outdated Kalashnikov? Blasters and lasers from a science fiction books? Or of programs to develop "a rifle of the future", which cost the French and U.S. taxpayers a tidy sum? In this case, these programs have reached an impasse that had to recognize and military experts of these countries. Even the statement of samples cheap foreign arms compared with the Russian seems at least strange. Since only one receiver for M-16 A-3 (which is not the most expensive rifle in the world) is more expensive than the AK-103 as a whole.

    If you talk about "obsolete" IRS, it was originally designed as an army sniper weapon (one might even say - Senior arrow), which works directly in combat infantry formations. It was in this role, especially rifle is good - it's lightweight, rugged, self-loading and sufficiently accurate. Perhaps high-precision rifles, which would allow terrorists to hit in the head from a distance of half a mile, we are really missing. Only necessary to consider that our industry is able to develop such weapons would be an appropriate order.

    But now the talk is not about creating new models of domestic weapons, namely the purchase of it abroad. For what? Even if we're going to go to NATO standards, it is still logical, profitable, and most importantly cheaper than switch to the production of its weapons for ammunition that block.

    Evil tongues say that the reason for these rather strange habits of the Ministry of Defense of Russia are generous kickbacks western gunsmiths to its customers. Or blame convince our politicians of the Westerners, which are formed under the influence of the "dream factory" that all the foreign "cooler"? And maybe the reason all is not advertised volitional decisions taken on the global political kitchen, one way or another, they hit the domestic producers. Domestic defense industry, which the Ministry of Defence is preparing to inflict a serious blow to the back, may never recover from him.

    What can replace the AK? According to rumors from the Ministry of Defence this weapon can become a French assault rifle FAMAS, there is information that the pilot batch of samples have already been purchased.

    In this case, military experts believe that any unique qualities of this rifle is not. Scatter with the shooting at a distance of 200 meters in series of ten single shots of a FAMAS 400 mm, while in the AK-47 it must not exceed 300 mm. In addition, the French rifle too quickly overheat, and when shooting hundreds of rounds there is a danger of spontaneous ignition. After the complete ejection 5.3 stores there are delays in firing associated with the accumulation of carbon deposits. Sometimes both at once served two cartridges, which also causes delays in the conduct of fire. There are cases of spontaneous disconnection of the store during the shooting.

    The French army is popular anecdote: "Question: FAMAS - a weapon or device for a bayonet? The answer - you can withdraw from it and use a rifle bayonet, like a hammer. 10 rifles to score a single nail. "

    It is noteworthy that the divisions of French special forces armed with German rifles G-36. In this case, even though generous kickbacks, France was able to "vparit" his rifle only to countries such as: Gabon, Djibouti and Senegal, and Russia can do to be in this gang.

    The question is, if Serdyukov protects the interests of foreign producers to the detriment of domestic and harm national security, what he is for the whole Russian people?
     
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  3. JBH22

    JBH22 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Its becoming like India there kill domestic production under the pretext that the weapons are not good enough to buy Foreign maal well all of us know that the officials get some commissions:)

    As to replacing Kalashnikov with FAMAS its a joke
     
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    He has been criticized enough already for this whimsical joke. Defminister is not from military background as it appeared. And yeah someone idiotically talked of replacement but not just with French, possibly by Israeli/American guns.

     
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    ^^^New Kalashnikov AK-200 Assault rifle



    why in the first place would they replace the AK-74 by FAMAS if they have something superior like the AN-94.

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    IT should be mentioned that since Russians want to learn from French experience with FELIN which they bought small amount of FAMAS under no circumstance i see them issuing FAMAS to their forces.
     
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    AN94 would be preferred only by specops....that is also a not so syre one coz its very difficult to maintain it ...It takes about two weeks time for a soldier to be familiar with it...the rifle is very much expensive to be inducted in large scale compared to the reliable kalashnikovs.....
    If AK74s are becomiing obsolete why cant they just switch over to AK103 or AK107?As both are not very expensive and are reliable and AK103s are having the deadly 7.62*39mm rounds...AK107 is abetter refined rifle with improved gas ejection system and increasd firing rate...AEK971 is also a better option if accuracy is concerned...
    As so many fine rifles are in the russian inventory why the hell he is opting for weapons from europe and america which have only stunning looks than performance?
     
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    This is stupid. They are learning from our netas on how to cheat their own country and fill foreign coffers. AK series is the finest in the world and has proven itself thousands of times. Other than kickbacks there seems to be no other reason for this recommendation.
     
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    Russia has options other than the AK-47, so its foolish to say they need to rely on foreign rifles for their troops. If they are indeed buying the FELIN, its must be for studying it to develop something similar. The AK-47 is the most versatile and most the widely used combat rifle ever built.
     

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