Russia should help India in developing n-triad: expert

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  1. EagleOne

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    Moscow, Oct 5 (PTI) Ahead of Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov''s New Delhi visit, a top defence expert has said Russia should help India in developing its "wholesome" nuclear triad to further advance bilateral defence cooperation.

    "In my view, Russia must help India in the development of its wholesome nuclear triad, so that it has naval, air and land platforms for its nuclear delivery systems," Ruslan Pukhov, Director of the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) said.

    Pukhov is also a member of Public Advisory Board of the Russian Ministry of Defence and will accompany Serdyukov on his New Delhi visit beginning tomorrow during which the India-Russia intergovernmental commission on military- technical cooperation co-chaired by Defence A K Antony is to hold its annual session.

    "Why shouldn''t we jointly work for the development of an Indian SSBN (nuclear submarine for launching ballistic missiles)?" Pukhov told PTI.

    He suggested that India and Russia could jointly develop a "de facto" common naval system of nuclear deterrence similar to one the US and Britain have.

    "In case China develops its fleet of aircraft carriers, Russia could offer Project 949 (Nato codename Oscar-II) nuclear submarines, naval Tu-22M3 bombers and even, although could sound incredible, the nuclear propelled missile cruisers of Project 1144 (Orlan class)," Pukhov said.

    Reacting to India''s apprehensions about China''s growing military clout, Pukhov termed as false reports that Moscow was giving superior weapons and technologies to Beijing.

    "The type of harmony and complementarity of the military-political interests Russia has with India, will simply never be in our relations with China. This would contradict the elementary norms of geopolitics," he said.

    "You will never hear Russian officials expressing concern at the growing Chinese military might, but all of them are well aware of its implications and very well understand that PRC poses a potential threat to Russia''s Far East and Eastern Siberia," he said.

    The massive wargames Vostok-2010 (Orient 2010) involving thousand of servicemen and warships in the Far East and Eastern Siberia, during which the Russian troops also practiced the use of tactical nuclear weapons are the reflection of this concern, he said.

    "The Indian Air Force''s Sukhoi Su-30MKI is a generation ahead of Su-30MKK/MK2 fighters given to China. Same can be said about Talwar class stealth frigates built for India and ''Sovremenny'' class destroyer sold to China.

    "While India and Russia are jointly developing hypersonic BrahMos cruise missiles, fifth generation fighter (FGFA) and futuristic multirole transport aircraft (MTA), no such project is underway with China," Pukhov noted.

    Russia should help India in developing n-triad: expert - *International News – News – MSN India
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

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    How will this be possible with Russia being an NPT,FMCT,MCTR signatory and recently the new arms reduction treaty?? The Soviet Union yes modern Russia??
     
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    thats why he said as defacto -practice but not necessarily ordained by law
     
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    I think Russia and India shud set up a small joint force as an experiment with one Base in each country....2 squadrons of aircrafts, a few battleships, and a few regiments covering the complete spectrum of the army equipments..would be cool ....and if it works out....it should slowly enlarge that force
     
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    Jat in all practicality what would be the benefit of this costly setup?? Better to work on joint projects like PAK-FA and Brahmos.
     
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    it would just be an experiment...as india grows in power it will have to make its stands..it will have to interfere in other countries matters sooner or later to safeguard and promote its own interests...and chances of clashes with China will increase....after a certain level u cant play alone..u need to have strong bound alies..Russia is the perfect perfect country for being our ally..it will just be an experiment if in future we have to make our own NATO or Asian union..
     
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    we can officially join SCO instead of remaining an observer, Russians have made many requests.
     
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    No we cant be a member of the SCO...China and India dont go well together.....Infact we shud make a pact of our own with Russia, India, Nepal,Bhutan , Srilanka, ..for the time being
     
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    Jat we have individual defence pacts with these nations and USA and many others. If India was a true ally to Russia we could have shown it during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
     
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    Yes u are right...but at that time india had no ambitions as projecting itself as a world power.....Also India did not have the means...India as a nation now definitely have great ambitions....In a few decades India will definitely be a world military power equalling China or just a bit behind....lets see....Pakistan is also an observer member of SCO...I dont think India, Paki and China can accomodate in a single pact specially of military cooperation.....We shud make our own pact with India-Russia as the leaders ....gradually we can invite other countries....
     
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    Jat we can sign all the paper we want but there will come a time to act, at that time we will have to act. USA considers Pakistan an ally and they are having Pakistan gives troops,logistic,support,supplies etc for the Afghan war. When we sign these pacts it will be a give and take we cannot sign and be secure that we have a pact we will be called upon to act. Helping Russians in Afghanistan served a strategic interest for us but we did not act, at that time Pakistan was in same position as India but they acted.
     
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    To be honest..pakistan didnt have any choice....it virtually is tooo much dependent on USAs aid...and even Musharraf acknowledged that American defence secretary had threatened that US will bomb Pakistan back to the stone ages if it didnt co-operate..Indias situation was completely differrent....It was independent enuf to say no....Neither India was in pact with the Ruskies....Yes u are right..if we sign a pact we will have to stick by the rules no matter what and we shud....Thats why i am saying that such an arrangement will pave way for the greater things to come...
     
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    This was not while Musharraf was in power this was the 1980's invasion of Afghanistan. We have ambitions of being a power but we have to demonstrate it using China as an example that you gave, China has demonstrated it a poor China defeated USA in Korea and Vietnam, we have yet to do anything close to this, we had opportunities to demonstrate it in 1962 against China, we had opportunities to demonstrate it in Tibet, in POK,Ladakh etc.. we fought 4 war with Pakistan and we still have territorial issues,what i am saying is let's demonstrate some regional power before jumping the gun. We also need a leadership that shares this view, and I have not seen in it since 71. Do you think our response to 26/11 demonstrated these ambitions??
     
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    Yeah..i completely agree on that one....India shud become more agressive now..we can afford to....If we have to be respected by the world we wil hv to show our strength....Man i guess india will have to wait another thousand years for a leader like Indira Gandhi...she was shrewd for sure....If keep keep gettin Prime Ministers Like DR.Manmohan Singh ji india will always be a soft state
     
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    With IGBMP almost complete, ATV in full-rate production, Modular shipyards, appreciable PSU-Pvt co-operation in shipbuilding, critical system; how far is GOI to establish its own Nuclear-Triad??

    This is very superficial talk by expert. India doesn't need to invest with Russia for Nuclear-Triad. For GOI, Nuke-triad is already partially realized dream now. Come back soon to see K-15 shooting off from IN subs.
     
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    Both Russia and US will keep showing India the China fear to sell and in case of Russia partner India mostly coz of economic reasons so that it gets its development cost shared. Suits india fine actually. India just has to balance everything so that both sides get enough billions from india so that india can leverage political mileage from them.
    I really don't know how Russia will sell or partner India in SSBNs without drawing other world powers' criticism. Anyways its widely speculated that Indias ATV is widely drawn from Russian design.
     
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    agree but we lack in airforce and igbmp is completed but our long range missiles need overhauling which will some more time and our nuclear sub also has russian support we have achived/achiving all this with the help of russian &israel
     
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    Actually Russia could help with SLBMs if they want, on the sly offcourse as they would be violating MTCR. But we could learn a lot from them in SSBN design especially miniature reactors which are even more powerful and also larger SSBNs as the current ATV is about half the other western or Russian boats.
     
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    @AirForce

    Once we develop/co-develop fighters, readying the air-launched Nuke delivery is the part to be done in-house.

    @IGBMP

    Overhauling work & future upgrades can be done by SFC/DRDO.

    @Nuke sub

    Yes, traditionally we had Russian support/consultancy & we might continue the same affair.

    My point is, no separate agreements, deals need to be signed on this Nuclear-Triad completion (not development). Present scenario & co-operation is working fine in Indian favor. Also no need to abruptly accelerate this process drawing International criticism & evident senseless regional arms-race.
     
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    the speaker is saying this as defacto like US and UK for example:Trident II which was developed after signing mtcr

    dont know on what bases they cooperate
     

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